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    There is little scientific support for the notion that diets lead to lasting weight loss

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    A recent meta-analysis (a study that examines the results of many other studies) of over 50 years of weight-loss research revealed that people can initially lose about 5% to 10% of their weight on virtually any diet program.
    This means that a 250 lb. woman can typically lose between 12 and 25 lbs. by dieting. This loss is often presented as “success” by diet companies, even though such a woman would still be categorized as “obese” according to the Body Mass Index (BMI).
    But… “These losses are not maintained. As noted in one review, “It is only the rate of weight regain, not the fact of weight regain, that appears open to debate” (Garner & Wooley, 1991, p. 740). The more time that elapses between the end of a diet and the follow-up, the more weight is regained…”
    “Among patients who were followed for under two years, 23% gained back more weight than they had lost. Among patients who were followed for two or more years, 83% gained back more weight than they lost (Swanson & Dinello, 1970). Even in the studies with the longest follow-up times (of four or five years postdiet), the weight regain trajectories did not typically appear to level off (e.g., Hensrud, Weinsier, Darnell, & Hunter, 1994; Kramer, Jeffery, Forster, & Snell, 1989), suggesting that if participants were followed for even longer, their weight would continue to increase…”
    “The amount of weight loss maintained [after 5 years] in the diet conditions of these studies averaged 1.1 kg (2.4 lb).”
    Reference: Mann, T., Tomiyama, A.J., Westling, E., Lew, A.M., Samuels, B., Chatman, J. (2007). Medicare’s search for effective obesity treatments: diets are not the answer. American Psychology, 62, 220-233.
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    OK, ladies, don't ask how I stumbled on this, but please please please tell me this is BS! Or at least misleading! At my heaviest I was 200lbs. Through lifestyle changes (NOT fad diets or extreme exercise) I have lost 50 pounds and kept it off for 3 years (I danced in that time frame when I was thin). Some of the prophecy has seemed to come true. I have gained 20 lbs this past year. BUT...I think (I am hoping) that it is because my big brother passed away and I have barely exercised and though I didn't "emotional eat" I stopped caring about eating healthy and couldn't hardly do anything. Even driving or cleaning used up too much energy. I've finally turned a corner but now this article has me so concerned. It's at the back of my mind all the time. When I step in the gym, go outside for a jog, I am secretly worried if its all for nothing. That since I was 200 lbs, I'll never be able to maintain any weightloss long-term even if I lose again. It's distressing!

    Maybe the people in the studies used extreme measures to lose and that's why they couldn't keep it off? I'm already distressed enough at gaining weight, I can't image putting it all back on. But from what this source says, I will still get fat again even if I exercise and eat right because, "now my body wants to be 200." Any insight would help. Again, I want to stress that I don't believe in "diets" I believe in long-term lifestyle changes.

    Thanks so much for reading!

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    The study doesn't say why they gained the weight back.

    Most likely people stay on "diets" for a short term period of time (ex New Years resolution, to get in shape for summer, to fit in wedding dress, etc) and not realizing positive changes to diet - and exercise - should be long term.

    Also things like genetics and mindset play a role as well.

    Try not to stress too much (or read info that could affect you mentally) and enjoy the positive changes you've made.
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    ^^Exactly. I think it's common knowledge that lots of people lose weight through doing diets and exercise plans that cannot be maintained long term and so they gain it back, but that's not everyone's fate.

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    Fad diets will never work long-term, because these changes must become lifestyle changes. That's why the best results usually come from slow changes made over time. For example, decreasing processed sugars by replacing candy / soda with fruits and sparkling water. Then, when that becomes second nature, cutting down on white flour and replacing it with whole-grain foods. Then, when that becomes second nature...etc.

    The key is to not deprive yourself and to make healthy, sustainable changes. Eat more foods, but make them healthy foods. Find what works for YOU. Some people can munch on raw veggies all day, others enjoy roasted veggies. Some people can drink flat water all day, others need something more exciting like cold, sparkling water. Some people like to have a square or two of dark chocolate as a treat, others may enjoy stewed fruit or smoothies or raw dates. *Expand* your food options, and try new things that look exciting to you. Set reasonable expectations in the beginning, such as switching to a healthier food, but allowing yourself to eat as much of that healthier food as you want (for example, replacing red meat with grilled salmon, but letting yourself have as much of the salmon as you desire).

    Not to mention...food issues are usually connected to psychological / emotional issues. For example, I have a serious scarcity complex that extends to finances and food supply. So when I'm eating something, I feel like there will never be a "next time" when I can eat that food, and I often eat the whole thing because I fear not having "enough." So figuring out what's driving your food issues is key to making smarter choices.

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    OP, your mantra is "That study does not define or describe ME."

    Studies are not meant to identify outliers. They're meant to make generalizations about large groups.

    Choose instead to become the outlier!! This book could provide you with some inspiration: http://www.amazon.com/Outliers-Story...3622009&sr=8-1

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    I'm pretty sure a lot of people have to live on a permanently extra low cal diet to be somewhat thin. Luckily healthy foods are very low cal. I did a fitness DNA test that told me which genes I had and what it meant for fitness and weight loss. It was really interesting. I'm positive though that it depends on genetics (including medical issues) and calories consumed.

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    I can't read that tiny writing, even w/my glasses..but, I think a helpful concept, also a book, is Glycemic Index. Of course, tailoring to the person's system, sometimes there's a thyroid or other issue too


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    Copy and paste onto a word document,, then enlarge the type size? Or change display size on your computer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlie61 View Post
    OP, your mantra is "That study does not define or describe ME."

    Studies are not meant to identify outliers. They're meant to make generalizations about large groups.

    Choose instead to become the outlier!! This book could provide you with some inspiration: http://www.amazon.com/Outliers-Story...3622009&sr=8-1
    Thanks! I'll check that book out. You're right I should define myself, not studies. I'm already an outlier as it is, and proud of it! Plus I've done this research and seen many of these studies, and none of them reveal what kind of diets the participants were on. Were the diets unrealistically strict? Were the participants required to work out 3 hours a day? If that was the case, then the findings aren't surprising. As far as maintaining loss being a "part-time" job, I don't choose to look at it that way. An hour of exercise, 5 days a week is very realistic for me and exercise controls my appetite so I don't overeat.

    I really believe a huge piece to the obesity puzzle no one focuses on the mental aspect. We live in a high-stress, hustle-bustle society. Many people have to work 2 or 3 minimum wage jobs to make ends meet, and probably don't have the energy to exercise, and grab a quick fast food meal because they are too tired to cook.

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    This, along with our levels of happiness is something I've studied in my classes.

    Genetics don't have an exact certain set point, but more like a certain range that you fall under. Environment influences where on you fall within that range.
    Your body does tend to have certain "ideal" set points that it seems to want to always go back to, however that doesn't mean that you cannot influence or change that set point.

    So what that means is that you are not destined to be 200 lbs no matter what.

    But it does seem like you're more likely to produce a lot of cortisol and other stress hormones when stressed out.
    (I do too) So you're more likely to gain weight during times of stress because your body wants to hold onto every calorie. Or makes you more lethargic or engage in other behavior that encourages weight gain (it's never just one thing). Ever notice how some people loose weight when stressed and others gain?

    My example: I lost 40 lbs and kept it off for 2 years. During a really stressful time in school I gained it all back plus 10 in less than 9 months (me now). If my body was trying to balance back at my pre weightloss weight I would have steadily kept gaining back little by little but I didn't. And I even ate junk food sometimes and maintained. And you kept yours off for 3 years.

    So I wouldn't worry. Those studies are correlational, meaning they find things that happen at the same time, but it doesn't mean causation. There are way too many influencing factors for them to make a claim at causation.

    *Also, I think the 70's or 80's is when everything became low-fat as if eating fat was making you fat and so all the sudden everything became fat free, but replaced with sugar so it's not like it was healthier. Additionally, if the people got fat in the first place, it could be that they are also predisposed to gaining more when stressed. And it's likely that everyone will get stressed in a 5 year period.
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    Since I stopped dancing 7 months ago I have regained the 10-15 lbs i'd lost last fall when going thru a very stressful time. I honestly don't care that it's back bc I'm fed up with the club atmosphere these days anyways. The only thing I get pissed about is the "stigma" that goes along with being a bit overwight. My last bf always made comments about my weight from day 1 & it pissed me off to the point where I'd try to gain more weight & eat whatever whenever I wanted. I will admit I refuse to exercise, I eat whatever & whenever I want. I'm close to 200 lbs now & IDGAF anymore. Since I started camming I'm more respected for my body type anyways & no longer feel the stress from body image I did for those 14 years I spent dancing even tho back then I was a "normal" weight for my height. I can remember times where even at 5'7" 145 lbs I was still told I was thick, even though I looked too skinny for my frame. I look at it like this, who gives a damn what weight you are as long as you are still healthy & have great blood pressure Life is too short to try & please everyone by avoiding those foods you love.
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    You know, the thing I think some don't understand is, there's different body types. Now, I forget what they are called, mine is the one that's fairly slim, doesn't gain weight BUT. This past yr I gained 15 lbs, didn't realize til I saw a dr for the 1st time in yrs.
    I knew I had a prob w/my tum, which I'm now on meds for. I mean my tum wd blow the fuck up, I go up 2+ pant sizes, I was going crazy buying fucking pants all the time in different sizes, once even a size 14 which I've never even been close to.
    So I guess what I'm saying is, you have to look @ your body type, work w/in its parameters to be healthy. Your body wants/needs to be a certain way, & you can only fuck w/it so much. You may not be stick thin, that's a bullshit image portrayed by the media.
    There's certain foods I need to stay away from, dairy (except yogurt) & fried stuff especially. Not trying to diet, but to back off the stuff that makes me blow up like a baloon. I have to go easy on the protein too.
    If I want ice cream for example, I get rice milk ice cream, there's a brand So Good, & it is.
    Another helpful book (I haven't worked w/it myself, not my issue but hear good things about it) is Glycemic Index.


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    Quote Originally Posted by whirlerz View Post
    You know, the thing I think some don't understand is, there's different body types.
    THIS! Not every woman can be 120 pounds. I know I am not one of them. I have accepted that fact a long time ago. For me, a healthy weight that I can easily maintain with good habits is 140-150. Now on a 5'4 frame that sounds "fat" and it can be discouraging, considering so many girls on this site post things about OMG I WEIGH 110 I AM SOOO FAT!!!! But I am slim, fit and happy and that's all that matters to me (: Now if I lived like a hard-core athlete, I could probaby manage to get into the 130s, but to be that lean isn't worth it to me. That's why I hate scales and BMI charts. They are guidelines. So do I "weigh heavy" yes. But I don't care.

    What started this thread is that somehow I managed to come across something known as the "Fat Acceptance Movement." Now, they have some good points.
    1.) Fat people, hell even chubby people, are looked at negatively and get treated like shit
    2.) There is more to it than "eat less, exercise more." Lots of medications make it hard to stay lean, as well as medical conditions such as bipolar disorder or PCOS. Stress is also a factor.
    3.) Societal expectations are unrealistic.
    4.) People need to mind their own damn business!

    However, I don't like the fact they repeat over and over again that it is impossible to lose weight so don't bother trying. It's very discouraging. They are right, weight is a more complicated issue that gets too simplified, but they basically say things like, "I am 300 pounds, and I exercise 2 hours a day and don't lose weight." That is literally a real quote. I am sorry, I don't believe that. Like I said, not everyone is meant to be 120 pounds. I am not one of those types, myself. However, I don't believe that 300 pounds is a healthy weight. And that is NOT concern trolling.

    Some people are ok with themselves being heavier and that is ok! That is NOT my business. However, for me, I can't accept myself being heavy. It makes life extra hard and I'd rather not have extra problems.

    I am ranting here a bit, normally I am more eloquent but I am sick today. But I guess my points are: yes most diets fail because they are not sustainable. Gaining weight sometimes happens because you get sick or stressed or whatever. Losing weight and keeping it off is not impossible. And lastly, everyone has a different healthy weight. Mine is 140-150. Another girl my height might be 110. Another might be 165. However, I don't believe that anyone is "naturally" 300 pounds like Fat Acceptance communities say. (or if there is this person is very, very rare).

    You know what I think? Society needs to stop harping about weight and instead be healthy! Walk more! Eat fruits and vegetables! Find a physical activity you like! Reduce stress! See a counselor if you need to! This horrible cycle of dieting and hating your body is not helping anyone lose weight, be healthy or motivated.

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    ^they were maybe eating 20 pounds of McDonald's every day, you just can't outrun or out lift a bad diet!
    What helped me was getting off my medication and learning to stop emotional eating..I don't bored snack, I don't eat when I'm not hungry, and I eat six small meals a day of super healthy shit mostly veggies, fruit, lean protein. When I need smthg sweet or extra I go n pinterest and look up paleo or sugar free desserts and some of them taste amazing!! The less sugar/junk you eat the less you want it! Oh yeah and finding exercise you enjoy and doing it so it becomes habit..just getting into better habitual habits is the bottom line.
    I'm hoping my metabolism recovers from those two years of abuse the meds put my body through :/ cause food and weight shouldn't consume your life you gotta find a good maintainable balance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyanXO View Post

    There is little scientific support for the notion that diets lead to lasting weight loss

    bigfatscience:
    A recent meta-analysis (a study that examines the results of many other studies) of over 50 years of weight-loss research revealed that people can initially lose about 5% to 10% of their weight on virtually any diet program.
    This means that a 250 lb. woman can typically lose between 12 and 25 lbs. by dieting. This loss is often presented as “success” by diet companies, even though such a woman would still be categorized as “obese” according to the Body Mass Index (BMI).
    But… “These losses are not maintained. As noted in one review, “It is only the rate of weight regain, not the fact of weight regain, that appears open to debate” (Garner & Wooley, 1991, p. 740). The more time that elapses between the end of a diet and the follow-up, the more weight is regained…”
    “Among patients who were followed for under two years, 23% gained back more weight than they had lost. Among patients who were followed for two or more years, 83% gained back more weight than they lost (Swanson & Dinello, 1970). Even in the studies with the longest follow-up times (of four or five years postdiet), the weight regain trajectories did not typically appear to level off (e.g., Hensrud, Weinsier, Darnell, & Hunter, 1994; Kramer, Jeffery, Forster, & Snell, 1989), suggesting that if participants were followed for even longer, their weight would continue to increase…”
    “The amount of weight loss maintained [after 5 years] in the diet conditions of these studies averaged 1.1 kg (2.4 lb).”
    Reference: Mann, T., Tomiyama, A.J., Westling, E., Lew, A.M., Samuels, B., Chatman, J. (2007). Medicare’s search for effective obesity treatments: diets are not the answer. American Psychology, 62, 220-233.
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    OK, ladies, don't ask how I stumbled on this, but please please please tell me this is BS! Or at least misleading! At my heaviest I was 200lbs. Through lifestyle changes (NOT fad diets or extreme exercise) I have lost 50 pounds and kept it off for 3 years (I danced in that time frame when I was thin). Some of the prophecy has seemed to come true. I have gained 20 lbs this past year. BUT...I think (I am hoping) that it is because my big brother passed away and I have barely exercised and though I didn't "emotional eat" I stopped caring about eating healthy and couldn't hardly do anything. Even driving or cleaning used up too much energy. I've finally turned a corner but now this article has me so concerned. It's at the back of my mind all the time. When I step in the gym, go outside for a jog, I am secretly worried if its all for nothing. That since I was 200 lbs, I'll never be able to maintain any weightloss long-term even if I lose again. It's distressing!

    Maybe the people in the studies used extreme measures to lose and that's why they couldn't keep it off? I'm already distressed enough at gaining weight, I can't image putting it all back on. But from what this source says, I will still get fat again even if I exercise and eat right because, "now my body wants to be 200." Any insight would help. Again, I want to stress that I don't believe in "diets" I believe in long-term lifestyle changes.

    Thanks so much for reading!
    It looks like this study only looked at dieting, not exercise. The best way to permanently lose weight is to come up with a diet and exercise plan that you can do permanently, not just something temporarily, even if it takes longer to lose the weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whirlerz View Post
    I can't read that tiny writing, even w/my glasses..but, I think a helpful concept, also a book, is Glycemic Index. Of course, tailoring to the person's system, sometimes there's a thyroid or other issue too
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    I feel like a lot of people diet to lose a certain amount of weight and once they get to that weight they don't maintain a healthy lifestyle, go back to their own ways and bad habits, and then as a result gain all their weight back. It takes a LOT of discipline to lose weight and keep it off. Don't let anyone tell you it's impossible. It's definitely possible, people do it, it's just difficult and takes a lot of restraint the majority of people don't seem to have.

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    Slight threadjack- my father finally admitted recently that fatness runs in his family tree (along with bad hormone problems for the females, many of whom I have met in person & they don't have skinny builds.)

    My point being that genetics & environment can influence your "average weight" as much as workout habits & diet.

    I have shed 5-10 lbs easily twice over the past 4 years but during times of great stress. So that's not a fair/reasonable brag- it wasn't healthy for my body.

    I have noticed keeping an absurdly high level of activity does keep weight level at a low weight- EX- you work 14-16 hour days, forget to eat occasionally, & are really physically active.

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    E2 is right about exercise. All the dieting in the world won't keep the weight off if you don't exercise. I took up fitness after I'd been dancing for a couple of years. Then, I messed up and stopped all the fitness that I was doing when I quit dancing. I still ate right, but all I did was bicycle some for fun. After I had my daughter, I didn't lose a lot of the baby weight. By the time she was six, I weighed 150 pounds. She's twelve now. I resumed my fitness routine. I now run, bike or swim for at least three hours a week. More in most weeks. Four years ago, I started coaching my daughter's track club. I set a goal of running a seven minute mile. I hit that goal. Then I set a goal of running a sub-six minute mile. I have gotten under five minutes twice this summer! My next goal is running a sub-20 minute 5K. I'm at 22:30 right now at the beginning of cross country season.

    As far as weight goes, I'm in the low 130s now. I don't think I'll ever get down to the 118 pounds that I carried when I graduated from high school. But, I have a much better core than I did then!

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    I really, really hate the Fat Acceptance movement. They spew so much misinformation and twist studies to suit their agenda. The more I've read about it out of curiosity the angrier I get. I hope other people wanting to maintain or achieve a healthy weight don't happen upon their bullshit.

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    I really, really hate the Fat Acceptance movement.
    I'm a little confused about it myself, I see a lot of plus-sized public figures trying to shove their figures down everyone's throats, like trying to force the general public into agreeing with them that being plus-sized is sexy. I obviously think that people should accept and love their figures even if they don't match society's current preferences and think that there's everything right about learning to feel beautiful no matter what you weigh, but the whole crusade for acceptance from the general public about how they look speaks too much to me of needing the approval of others in order to be able to feel good about yourself. Like I've heard plus-sized models talking about how they deserve the right to be on magazine covers and runways so that plus-sized women can have women in the glamour industry to look up to but again I feel like that's saying that being on magazines and runways is what validates one's beauty.

    Also I feel like it doesn't really make sense to put so much stock into society's beauty preferences anyway since they are constantly changing. Since the beginning of time different body types have been coming into and going out of style all over the world, standards of beauty are so fleeting and I feel like the majority of women at any given time are not going to be 'in style' and that only a minority will so who cares? Being so concerned with something that's so temporary is very futile to me.
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    "Hate" is a very strong word and maybe I was being too harsh. But I guess it strikes a nerve because I have worked hard to lose and maintain weight, then I come across this "movement" telling me I am doomed and will regain so I should just "accept" myself as being fat because "science shows long-term weight next to impossible" hence my original post.

    It's been awhile since I have originally made this thread, and since then I've already lost weight because I have got on the right birth control and I have removed a lot of stress.

    I understand that nobody needs to hate themselves for being fat. It's a complicated issue more than just eating less and exercising more. I guess I just don't like this movement telling people who want to lose weight that it's impossible. Will I ever have a Victoria's Secret body? Hell no. But that doesn't meant I can't be at a healthy weight for me.

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