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Last edited by alphanerd; 05-30-2016 at 02:05 PM.



Wall of text. Paragraphs are your friend.
Look some dudes are dicks, but so are strippers, just look at some of the shit I've read in hustle hut, and other stripper only sections that talk about what strippers do to other strippers, their customers.
Not all, but lets be honest there are awesome strippers that treat both customers and coworkers well, and those that do really mean evil shit, and the same is true for customers.
Hustle Hut is one of the many, many reasons why I moved more towards Massage Parlours, although there are,strippers I still adore.





Omegaphallic,
Hustle hut is about making as much as money possible at your job. It seems like you fail to realize that sex work is still a job. Not just strippers are in the hustle hut because I have used hustle hut as well. Sex work is about fantasies and illusions that you men want and desire. Women and men cater to clients' desires in order to make a living. Do you understand this?Because most men on here understand this but it seems that you do not for some reason.Plus, you don't think that bodyrub girls do not have their own hustle? Your naiveté is quite mind blowing because you have visited sex workers a lot. I hope that you pay your body rub girls tons of money




Did not read wall of text, paragraphs not even once.
Cliffs?
“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”



To clarify I'm fine with most of the stuff in Hustle Hut, its just a few things that people have suggested using, or said they've seen other strippers do, that I object too.
I do get its a job and have always under stood that, which is fine.
But there is a line, and anyone who takes advantage of a costumer who is too drunk to be aware of their surroundings crossing the boundary. I do believe their are plenty of strippers who don't do that,perhaps even the vast majority.





And away we go again with another hyper-sensitive dude who overreacts after reading complaints posted by strippers on their own support site. Then of course this was followed immediately by another over-sensitive dude who was so traumatized by Hustle Hut that he now visits massage parlors instead.
Of course there is some predatory behavior on both sides of the tip rail in a strip club. With lust driving the guys and opportunities for big money facing the girls, human nature alone makes it inevitable. The girls are trying to earn as much as possible, within their boundaries and for as little as they need to give, and the guys are seeking as much as possible, up to and including sexual services, for as little as possible. Now of course some behave worse than others, but it is a simple hazard of the environment. IME and IMHO sensitive daisies and gullible types don't last too long in strip club environments because they never learn how to put this into proper perspective and to avoid getting sucked in by the worst elements.
I see these types of whiny complaints about basic hustles on customers boards too and I just find them to be ridiculous. Guys go into places where girls are essentially obligated to take off their clothes for money, be nice to them and even make erotic contact with them, yet then don't expect that these same girls to try to earn as much as possible from doing all of that? How naive can one be?
We are all grown adults responsible for our own decisions. It is not a dancer's responsibility to know my budget and to safeguard my wallet, just like it is not my job to safeguard a girl's virtue if she ends up in my hotel room for the price I offered. Caveat emptor applies to strip clubs more than almost anywhere else. I actually find this type of environment to be refreshing and fun, which is why I spend so much time in clubs, but to each his own I suppose.




“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”
I think you're seeing what you want to see.
There are plenty women in the forum who are married and in committed relationships with members of the opposite sex - kinda hard to do that if they hate men. Are there a percentage of women here that hate men? I'm sure it is but it's probably a small percentage so I dont think it's fair to over generalize that the strippers all hate men. Plus dancers complain about men I see as ranting or even as comedy so take it with a grain of salt - it's not always politically correct peaches and roses here. Real life = real issues (good and bad - but you seem overly focused on the bad for some reason).
“Cook for him like a housewife, fuck him good like a nympho….pay the rent and the car note, he invests in me like crypto”





How come people like you never can go to strip clubs and just have fun? Strip clubs are fun and cool . Just pay the dancers you enjoy, treat them with respect, and enjoy yourself.But no, you have to make this thread because strippers complaining about certain customers and turn it into some war of the sexes. If strippers are so bad for you, then find you a chick outside of the club. Strippers and other sex workers are not your girlfriends or wives.



TLDR: #NotAllStrippers, #NotAllCustomers. Long version:
I generally love my job. My experience is not everyone's, obviously, and most of us have a generally mixed set of feelings about our job that can sway from one side to another on a given day, just like you and everyone else. As Rick said, StripperWeb is more or less a support site. I don't come here to talk about every good day I've had where the chemistry clicked perfectly with almost every customer and I was flying high in Seductress Mode, feeding off the sexual energy and feeling like every dance I gave was the best dance of my career. I come here for advice or empathy or a good laugh and to reaffirm in my head that there are others who get it.
When it comes to older guys, for some girls when they start out, it can be a little jarring. Would an 18/19 year old be likely to come up to you outside the club and start flirting? How would they respond if you approached them out of the blue? Some girls start out flying with minimal adjustment periods, and some take time. While they're trying to adjust, they might reach out to other dancers who've been there, done that, and that's when you see posts on here. If you cared to read the replies, you'd find most of them talking about how it's not a dancer's job to just dance for guys who turn her on, it's to get as much money as possible, while sticking to her boundaries. Old guys are typically the best spenders, so old guys are typically the favorite customers. Believe me when I say, strippers do *not* hate old guys, lol.
We *do* hate customers who sexually assault us, who don't listen when we say "no," who don't pay their dues, and who generally disrespect us and/or the fact that they've come into our place of work... where we're working. *Those* are the guys we don't like. Those are the guys that kill our souls and make us hate the job and the industry as a whole, who make us swear off all men forever as totally disgusting worthless rapey pigs (again, remember the kind of guys we're dealing with on a daily basis, and even then, take it with a grain of salt, as Miss.a.p said). Then we vent and rant... and eventually get over it/ourselves. Eventually we have a couple good days, and we fall in love with the job all over again. But in the meantime, especially if we're in the middle of a bad spell, ranting can be cathartic, and sharing similar stories can help as well. It helps the poster feel better, and it helps anyone else reading the thread know they're not alone.
Again, this is primarily a support site. Most of the threads are going to be problem-oriented, and they either provide or seek out empathy or solutions from there. Between that and the small member base, this website does not even begin to represent the reality of "what strippers really think," or "what goes on in the dressing room." Odds are really good none of the girls in your club even know this site exists, let alone are active members on it. As with absolutely everything everywhere, ymmv.





"never trust a big butt and a smile"-- Bell Biv DeVoe
If you're in your twenties and aren't a liberal, you have no heart. If you're in you're forties and aren't a conservative, you have no brain - Winston Churchill
If you were to attempt to extrapolate any type of facts for research, using a forum like this is going to skew your results ontop of your researcher bias (you are convinced of an idea and now you are looking to find "facts" to back up your theory, ignoring facts that don't back up your theory, and preventing you from seeing objectively).
It's great you have a concern about not harming other people especially dancers.
Like candy cups mentioned above there is a small percentage of unsavory men (and women) who come to the club. some clubs are not good with security and let anybody and whatever the cat dragged in for the cost of a relatively cheap entry fee or a couple of drinks.
It's unfortunate dancers are traumatized by horrible customers but THAT is the type of experience other women and dancers need to know about - and probably types of posts you are reading. life and clubs are not perfect and bad things happen to good people in the world even in strip clubs. How would I know to protect myself against ptsd, avoid certain clubs, etc. if I hadn't read some woman's story here?
Drugs and alcohol - you don't know if the factors that contribute to a persons addiction unless you know their history and you cant possibly know that just from reading a few Internet forum posts. It may or may not be the strip club. Besides top hustlers I know work sober.
And closing the clubs wouldn't be the solution. There are people who have worked there long time and to loose their primary income without any other job skills would be detrimental to them and their families. Maybe regulating or re-defining the strip club experience would be better options.
Last edited by miss.a.p1600; 05-29-2016 at 07:24 AM.
“Cook for him like a housewife, fuck him good like a nympho….pay the rent and the car note, he invests in me like crypto”
Speak for yourself. Strike one for lowlife predators in the club but alpha nerd does not present himself as such.
As long as no one is being abused or taken advantage of then it's all good.
Who do you know that wakes up in the morning eager to work for free??? Your job does pay you right? Otherwise you'd be less inclined to show up and work hard for them knowing you can't provide for yourself or your family.
Besides, it's Basic human nature to be motivated by external rewards that can improve their lives and others around them - so I guess youre either alien or above human if you don't get motivated by money.
Last edited by miss.a.p1600; 05-29-2016 at 07:28 AM.
“Cook for him like a housewife, fuck him good like a nympho….pay the rent and the car note, he invests in me like crypto”





I'm merely pointing out what naive patrons need to realize. I came to become very good RL friends over the years with several dancers and I'm just pointing out that being a customer (especially a regular) casts you in a certain light in their eyes in the first place. I'm not being critical of either the dancers or the customers by saying that. I'm just pointing what became obvious to me over the years and hastened my putting an end to visiting the clubs.
"never trust a big butt and a smile"-- Bell Biv DeVoe
If you're in your twenties and aren't a liberal, you have no heart. If you're in you're forties and aren't a conservative, you have no brain - Winston Churchill





OMG!
I can barely get even 1/8 thru this, w/o spilling/snorting lmao..& right off the bat, can I thank RickD, Donna, & esp. Safado like 1,000 X's?!![]()
MANY MEN WANTED TO LAY ME DOWN, BUT FEW WANTED TO LIFT ME UP
-Eartha Kitt





Also, wd any thread of this ilk be complete w/o the mention of complete/massive club closure in Iceland?
Shit, & I was thinking of moving there, seriously![]()
MANY MEN WANTED TO LAY ME DOWN, BUT FEW WANTED TO LIFT ME UP
-Eartha Kitt







Alphanerd-- if you aren't actively doing any of the negative things mentioned above or in the other threads that complain about customers doing XYZ, why deprive yourself? From the sounds of it, your not a bad customer. At worst, you're probably "average," which is exactly what it sounds like.
Unfortunately, the crappy customers are crappy mainly because they don't care. If they got wind of the damage they were doing, they'd probably put the blame on us sluts for becoming strippers in the first place, and keep coming in and doing what they do. The nice or average-but-naive like yourself, however, are likely to get concerned and stop coming in, and then what do we have? A club full of dancers who still need to dance, and a customer base now majorly comprised of assholes, because guys who generally did give a damn all felt bad for us and left. Now instead of sitting with you instead, I *have* to sit with the jerk face who keeps trying to suck my tits after I fight him off for a song and a half.
It's probably not your intent to come across this way, but it's not your job to save me, or any of us. We know what we're walking into when we go to work, and most of us can leave any time we want, barring very extreme circumstances. Whether you go into the club or not has no effect on us, except we don't have the option of selecting you as a customer. All removing legal options does is force people to seek out illegal equivalents, which often lack regulation and legal protection by definition. This TED talk goes into more detail about the hows and whys of it, but he fist of it is, when you outlaw or restrict things in the interest of "protecting" sex workers, you just put them in more danger and ultimately do a lot more damage.
I'm sorry you feel horrified at some of the things we deal with. That just means you should never be a stripper. Just don't be one of "those" customers though and that's really all you can (or should) do. Maybe you wouldn't want to be in our shoes, but we choose to put them on every day all the same. We want to do this, or we wouldn't be doing it. Even with all the terrible stuff, the ptsd that can sometimes happen if you get a bad customer or work a bad club too long, the dancer body aches and pains, the societal stigma, and so on, we still want to do this.





^ Agreed.
I would hope this doesn't turn you off strip clubs, but like the other girls have said, this is a dancer support site. We do tend to come here to vent more than anything, because there's few people who 'get it' in our real lives. You must know how people are, the old thing about "If you have a good experience, you tell 1 person, if you have a bad experience, you tell 100". That's kind of what is at play here.
If you are not the shitty customer type we are complaining about, what is the problem? If you're as polite as you say, your patronism is certainly not giving me PTSD, it's giving me a pleasant customer and money for my electric bill.
By the way, you are concerned that we are revolted to dance for you because you're older? Absolutely not true. I for one make a beeline for older men, because a) they have money to spend, b) they know where they are and how it works, they don't generally waste my time, and c) they're usually polite, dressed and smelling decent, and often are much more interesting to talk to. I think you may find that sentiment echoed if you dig deeper on SW.
"People jack off with the left hand and point with the right."
"You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave."





Omg....whaaaaaa......strippers are mean........whaaaaaa!!!
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You're not really catching dancers at the best time when you're reading a forum like this.....They deal with a lot of crap on a daily basis. Obviously they're money hungry but you have to be....why else would you (average girl) submit yourself to that type of job....



I like movies and TV shows where I can be completely immersed in a fantasy world. I rarely watch the behind-the-scenes specials, outtakes, blooper reels, interviews, etc. associated with my favorite media because frankly, it ruins the fantasy for me. I'd rather think of it as real, even though of course I know it isn't.
For this reason, I will NEVER understand why men who enjoy the fantasy of strip clubs come to this website. Guess what? You're paying for a fantasy. On here, we discuss reality. The reality is, we aren't all cheerful nymphomaniacs who just LOVE pasting false eyelashes on our face and spending two hours on hair and makeup because we LOVE being ogled, admired, hit on, or sometimes insulted by any and every man who might choose to walk in to see us, regardless of manners, personal hygiene, creepiness, etc. If you'd rather pretend that we're all the magical, loving, friendly, kinky, sexy creatures you pay us to be, don't fucking come here. Problem solved.
If you can't handle the fact that we're real people who do a really weird job to pay our goddamn bills, and that the job sometimes (NOT ALWAYS) involves pretending to like people we don't and getting as much money as we can for our services, if that fact ruins the strip club experience for you, why ruin your fantasy with the heavy dose of reality we dish out on this website? Just go to the club, spend whatever money you're comfortable with, stop worrying about who we actually are and enjoy the goddamn fantasy like a good boy.
I like my job, but it's a job. I don't like everything about my job, any more than you probably like everything about your job or every customer or coworker you interact with on a daily basis. I come here to vent to other people who will understand my frustrations. This site isn't for you, the customers we're talking about aren't you, we've probably never met you. Not everything is about you, for fuck's sake. I know that can be really hard for some men to wrap their heads around, but seriously, this is our space. Visit, comment, take notes from rickdugan and others like him if you want to hang out here, but if this is ruining your fantasy, why not hit a porn site or something? Or call me on Niteflirt, I'd love to tell you how horny dancing makes me and what a huge nympho I am.
Edited to ad: the ire in this isn't entirely directed at OP, who seems like a decent person willing to listen. It's just that we get this kind of reaction a lot on here.
Okay so I'm about to go into a really long angry rant. Mainly because I had a customer very similar to alphanerd today and I just need to get it off my chest, very angrily. I personally find customers who try to come in and "save" me far worse than the assholes that insult me straight forward. Why? Because it's one thing to be open about one's misogynistic tendancies, but it's a whole other ballpark to not only come into my place of work, but the place where I go to unwind from said work and talk about how PTSD is just /so rampant/ and the only way to save our /poor stripper souls/ from the /horrors/ is by shutting down our sole source of income.
Why do people think that only sex workers get abused? That only we get PTSD and used and taken advantage of? Why does no one say "WOMEN ARE ABUSED AND SHOWING SIGNS OF PTSD IN THE CAFE INDUSTRY BECAUSE OF CONSISTENT HARASSMENT FROM MALE CUSTOMERS!!!! SHUT DOWN THE COFFEE SHOPS!!!! DOWN WITH DUTCH BROS!!! DOWN WITH STARBUCKS!!!"
You know why your confirmation bias is so bad? Have you heard the phrase "correlation does not equal causation"??? Almost every stripper I know already has some issue or another. Whether it's PTSD, depression, anxiety, drug addiction, what have you, they chose stripping/other forms of sex work for a reason. It's because it's one of the only industries that people with these issues can make an actual living (not some minimum wage bullshit where people consistently fall under the poverty line). It's one of the only places that they can make enough money to take care of themselves, their families, to afford to better themselves through education or therapy or just make themselves feel better by KNOWING they can afford those avenues should they choose to pursue them.
I have CPTSD, MDD, and panic disorder. I fucking love stripping more than any other job I've had, regardless of the amount of guys that try to push my boundaries on a daily basis. At least at this job I can kick them out, I can slap them, I can scream and cuss and get all my anger out at having been abused at their hands. Before this job I've worked at several retail stores, several at malls. I would get walked over by managers and coworkers alike. They would leverage my mental illnesses against me, guilt trip me into covering more shifts then punishing me when I was too exhausted and I was late to work for 5 minutes. I even have an ongoing lawsuit with one of my previous employers because my manager and I were talking about our personal experiences with mental illnesses, and she turned around and told everyone in my store that I was a physical threat to everyone's safety because I was dangerously violent and unstable. I have been abused with no justice FAR MORE in regular jobs than I ever have as a stripper.
I get where people like you are coming from. You think you're doing good and helping. But taking away our best means of making a living so YOU can feel better is whorephobic as shit. We will be abused no matter the industry, it's only with sex workers that you suddenly care. Change your behavior or (if yours is fine) your friends. Call out guys you see at the club acting like assholes to the girls. They will listen to you far more than us. Support legislation for sex workers and rally against legislation that harms us. Don't take away an industry that helped us and gave us independence a lot of us can't normally get.
Also, for the OP and the people who agreed with him: it's like Miss_Red said. EVERYONE bitches about their job. You don't walk into regular stores, demanding that the employees stop greeting you and acting nice and help you out. You don't come into their break rooms and throw a fit that they're complaining about some annoying customer. You don't go into the manager's office and tell them to stop telling their workers to greet everyone, or give the workers tips on how to get a customer to open up so they can help them with a purchase. If you don't do these things, or would be really peeved if someone came in your place of comradere, support, and respute and did that to you: SHUT THE FUCK UP.
Wow careful on your high horse least you fall off and injure yourself. And get your respectability politics out of here, swear words have been recognized as part of people's lexicon for ages now and to assume cursing signifies a lack of intelligence is classist to say the least and shows that you are far more willing to dismiss what I say before reflecting on them. I have a degree in psychology and sociology so I can say that it's extremely likely that I know what I'm talking about when I am discussing the aspects of exploitation in various industries.
You did "define a hypothesis". Specifically:
"The presence of PTSD in dancers could explain the drug and alcohol abuse that figures so prominently within these posts." In other words, you implied that strippers are more likely than not to have symptoms if not an outright diagnosis of C/PTSD.
Also I believe I found the website where you got your statistics where they state that "sex workers have PTSD at the same rates as war veterans". That website is run with a core anti-sex work philosophy and thus has likely skewed all data (such as attributing all the rates of sex workers rather than simply strippers as you've mentioned in your post) and written it in a way as so to imply that stripping is what caused the rates of PTSD to occur. To continue with the statistics you've magically pulled out of your unmentionables (seeing as saying ass magically makes me unintelligent???) StripperWeb has a total membership of 111,892. This includes: strippers, cam girls, escorts, SB, customers, an a LOT of spambots (and all of the previous categories contain people who are not US-based). Although I have no been a member for long, I have noticed that the forum is extremely slow and the number of active users online at a time is no higher than 50 (again, this is from the short time I've been on). A lot of the posts, especially the stickies, you see are likely from no longer active members. So that puts your entire "population" statistic in the crapper. No good researcher would use old data to assess current attitudes and mental states of a group of people. And while 30-50 is good, especially for such a hush-hush minority, it's nothing when compared to your 400,000 of potential data.
Are you causing harm? I'm assuming from your previous posts the answer is: no. Congrats, your a decent human being. So then why go on and on about PTSD and how is causes dancers to go into drugs or alcohol? Where is your studies that supports that? Why do you believe that Dancing = PTSD = Drugs/Alcohol, and how did you come to that conclusion based on a handful of posts from an EXTREMELY small group of people? Ones that may or may not even be representative of strippers as a whole? Again, correlation does not equal causation. Research has shown that people with anxiety issues or other forms of mental illnesses (typically depression pops up) then to find solace through online groups as it brings about interaction with minimal effort required on the part of that person. So, again, you're taking a small, very likely biased group and claiming it is representative of the overall population. Perhaps you should stay in biology.
And see, this is why I said your views were whorephobic. Your question wasn't: "should we shut down strip clubs?". It was "is it POSSIBLE?" Which shows that, on some level, you do agree with that notion. Which leads me back to my previous point: why the concern for the industry? Hundreds of thousands of people are regularly trafficked onto food plantations where the US is getting more and more of its produce, especially with fruit and tea. Do you suggest if it's possible to shut down the entire industry that provides this produce? No, you ask if it should be shut down entirely. The obvious answer is no, as we need/have a demand for this product, so the next answer that should come up is: "how can we change it for the better?"
It is honestly obvious that you have no interest in sex workers as you even have the gall to come into our personal spaces and demand more emotional labor from us by holding your hand through your "ethical conundrum". And here, I'll explain that one to you since a quick Google onto the first anti-sex worker website won't answer that one for you. Emotional labor is a sociological concept applied specifically to women where they are expected to not only physically appeal and please men, but also provide emotional support such as (with sex workers): stroking his ego, compliments, patience, flirting, and being in a constant state of "partying" and showing that she genuinely enjoys his company all while make sure she proves that this is all not an act so that she can get paid for the services she is providing to him. If you are honestly having an ethical dilemma over this, why not simply ask what you can do to avoid being one of the men we complain about on here, rather than expect us to hold your hand and soothe you and say "No, don't worry, you're not like them". I'm honestly glad to hear that you aren't, but the way you wrote and came off on here have, as you can see, not been favorable due to the reason I listed previously.
Iceland also introduced the Nordic Model in response to legislation regarding full service sex work and just ask any sex worker there how well that worked out for them (short answer: not well).
CaligynEphilia. Like a gynEcologist. It means lover of beautiful women. Please do not belittle me for my spelling mistakes then make one where the correct spelling is staring at you in the face.
Ooooh my god, I'll just refer back to my respectability politics I mentioned ^. Also seeing as a number of senators believe in taxing feminine hygenie products as luxuries due to not understanding how a uterus works, I'm not overly concerned about how they'll find a small forum online. Also, did you miss the recent "joke" bills they tried to pass in Alabama? People call out stupid just fine, and senators have no problem creating them without our assistance. Another also: we're not a monolith so please stop treating us as a hivemind.
I'm not talking about the wage gap when I mention exploited labor. I'm talking about people of color, specifically immigrants, who are trafficked into the US and forced to comply in menial jobs so as to be able to stay/keep their families safe. I'm talking about pennies. And are you fully aware of the wage gap? That white women make less, but WOC make even less so, with the lowest being black women at 54 cents to the white male 1$? Or that Goodwill will pride themselves on employing people with autism or Down's Syndrome, but that they only get paid, on average, ~$5/hr? Some places even less, depending on the state's minimum wage. The point I'm trying to make is that it is literally nigh IMPOSSIBLE to avoid an industry/company where someone, on some level, has not been exploited.
Like my previous post was more a general rant about civies' reactions and moral concerns over my occupation but honestly your response just showed me how you are far more concerned about yourself than you are the women you are trying to avoid hurting. Go to strip clubs if you want, go with friends or by yourself or whatever you want. If you know you are following the rules, then you are not disrespecting the women and they will appreciate you all the more for it. If you do not want to support the clubs themselves, then don't buy drinks and generously tip the girls. If any girl takes insult to you, it is more for your shyness and willingness to watch but not being so readily to tip. The reason doesn't matter as it comes across to the dancers the same way: you are being cheap. You are engaging in a luxury, and by following the given expectations (i.e. you tip when you watch dancers on stage, you tip for their time, you treat them with respect, you don't push them or touch them inappropriately/when they ask you no to) you are showing that you understand that and are treating it as such. When you just watch and only give the girls money when they come talk to you after (something not every dancer is able to do) is comes across as you exploiting our luxury.
In the words of Voltaire: "A witty saying proves nothing".
dude wtf?!? Condense that sh*t. My eyes are throbbing trying to read that.
You seem like a decent guy but you think you're going to get a warm reception when you are analyzing women here and in the clubs with your fake research studies and bogus data?!? You don't get that you are treating women like zoo creatures not like autonomous individuals when you research them and compile "data" without their consent or knowledge.
Just have fun in the club with ladies you find interesting. And go home and fantasize then come back the next week and do it over again. Simple
You are no different from the thousands of unqualified people popping on the forum with their annoying Analyzing, hypothesizing, and false conclusions. Does this forum look like a slick focus group to you? I don't do free research studies and I'm not participating unless you're paying $$$$$ sooooo GTFOOHWTBS!!
Research deez nuts in your mouth.
Toodles!
Last edited by miss.a.p1600; 05-30-2016 at 12:01 PM.
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