Hi indiebill,
loving what you have to offer though i do have one question. Can custies only download content or is there a way to set it to stream only? Thanks



Hi indiebill,
loving what you have to offer though i do have one question. Can custies only download content or is there a way to set it to stream only? Thanks
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Hello everyone,
I hope you're having a great Monday.
@DancesWithSloths please find below are the answers to your questions:
Sure. Basically depending on various elements (customers' country of residence, sellers' country of residence, and what is being sold mainly) we have to collect and remit VAT to the states according to EU regulations.
We handle the collection and remittance on your behalf on the fees we collect, it's invisible for both you and your customers (we're supporting the costs so that everything stays simpler). Most likely, as a small business, you don't have anything to do with VAT on your end.
For now, we're integrating Google Analytics in each page that we build and we're sending traffic reports along with payouts every 2 weeks. It allows you to have metrics, although I recognize it's far from being a perfect solution. We understand the importance of metrics to run a business, and depending on your needs I'd be glad to deliver if we can. I believe - but I'd need to make sure - we should be able to get the data go directly to your GA account as well, would that suit you?
@malika29:
At the moment it's not possible to customize how the content is delivered, customers may always download purchased content. If the format is adapted (MP4) they can also stream it assuming their browser is up-to-date (which is handy for customers on iOS devices as Apple forbids downloading videos to your iPhone for example).
@BurlesqueBaller:
I'm sorry, but I do not really see how your post is related to IndieBill?
Questions about traffic and the cam market size in the industry are indeed interesting, but may I ask you to open a corresponding thread onto Stripperweb so to keep this thread more focused on IndieBill for the readers?
I don't have answers for your question, however I believe people at gfy.com should be able to provide you with great information to complete what you get from the SW community. gfy is an affiliate board so the people over there are really focused onto understanding traffic and local markets specificities.
IndieBill - Payment processing for indie cam models & adult performers
We payout 85%, protect you from chargebacks and automatically deliver sold contents to your customers.
With IndieBill, it is easy to sell and accept credit card payments. Checkout our demo pages : Snapchat / Skype Shows / Content / Tips & Tributes.
We also offer you a minimalist yet very effective store : www.getindiebill.com/store/list/IndieBill_Demo


Hello everyone,
We've rolled out a few interesting changes into IndieBill recently (and we've got the major update coming in for the end of the month, with shopping cart and quite a few cool things).
Here is what have been added, let me know if you have any questions:
- Custom design for payment pages:
We're now able to implement a custom design so that customers remain in your universe throughout their purchase.
You can have a look at the first custom design, I think it's pretty neat although we're still gonna improve a couple things on it: https://www.getindiebill.com/store/c...f-05a9418045b4
Please note that it will become a feature freely accessible to everyone but at the moment it still takes time for us to implement it. That's why we currently ask 'proof' that you'll be selling at least for $300 / week in order to implement you a custom design.
Of course the service is free of charge, we build your design according to your requirements and implement it.
Better product descriptions:
Until now, it was not possible to split payment pages descriptions into several paragraphs, making long descriptions not so appealing.
Now you can make as many paragraphs as you'd like and it will display nicely.
Credit card logos on payment pages:
We've added the logos of the supported credit card brands onto the payment form to avoid any confusion from your customers.
Better transaction failure handling:
Sometimes something goes wrong when your customers attempt to purchase, most of the time because the customer’s bank declined the charge (usually because they reached a spending threshold).
When this happens, customers are now redirected to the payment page with a specific message so that they're more likely to retry purchasing. (Before they were redirected to an error page with a generic message and no easy way to attempt a new transaction)
I look forward to your feedback and wish you a great day.
Gérald from IndieBill
IndieBill - Payment processing for indie cam models & adult performers
We payout 85%, protect you from chargebacks and automatically deliver sold contents to your customers.
With IndieBill, it is easy to sell and accept credit card payments. Checkout our demo pages : Snapchat / Skype Shows / Content / Tips & Tributes.
We also offer you a minimalist yet very effective store : www.getindiebill.com/store/list/IndieBill_Demo


Hello everyone,
I hope everything is going alright for you.
I just wanted to share 2 sites we've recently deployed for models, so that you can have a look at some real websites we've built. We've just added the ability to put video previews in the store also, which is pretty useful to sell more.
- Black background color scheme: http://www.aeriesm.com
--> Here you can see the version with video previews in the store, going to be live soon: http://wip.getindiebill.com/aerie/37...06c/store.html
- Light background color scheme: http://www.allhailkatana.com/
--> You can also see an FAQ page in this site
Don't hesitate to let me know what you think about it - we're looking forward to keep making better sites. And of course, if you'd like a site of your own simply reach out through the live chat on http://go.getindiebill.com (the service is completely free).
I wish you all a great day,
Gérald from IndieBill
IndieBill - Payment processing for indie cam models & adult performers
We payout 85%, protect you from chargebacks and automatically deliver sold contents to your customers.
With IndieBill, it is easy to sell and accept credit card payments. Checkout our demo pages : Snapchat / Skype Shows / Content / Tips & Tributes.
We also offer you a minimalist yet very effective store : www.getindiebill.com/store/list/IndieBill_Demo
Hi, I am interested in having a site myself, yet im clueless on doing stuff myself when it comes to html and codes. Is there any help for me? Also, i have a domain with modelcentro, its free for a year and then i have to pay for it, can use it or do i need a new one? (sorry if this is a stupid question, like i said, im clueless). ty
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@SylvySinclair no worries, we get everything done for you coding-wise - there's no technical manipulations on your side, and I'm here to provide step by step help.
For the domain, we could use the one you already have but then there wouldn't be your ModelCentro site on it any longer: there can be 1 website on 1 domain. So we could either use it if you don't mind about ModelCentro, or put it a on a new domain so that you got both at the same time.
Don't hesitate to come chat live on http://go.getindiebill.com (there's the little bubble in the bottom right) and we can chat it up directly![]()
IndieBill - Payment processing for indie cam models & adult performers
We payout 85%, protect you from chargebacks and automatically deliver sold contents to your customers.
With IndieBill, it is easy to sell and accept credit card payments. Checkout our demo pages : Snapchat / Skype Shows / Content / Tips & Tributes.
We also offer you a minimalist yet very effective store : www.getindiebill.com/store/list/IndieBill_Demo
...This thread just reminded me I need to finish setting up my site lol.


Yes, that would be awesome !
I'm not sure what is your username in IndieBill, but hit me up through the live chat and we'll continue where we left up![]()
IndieBill - Payment processing for indie cam models & adult performers
We payout 85%, protect you from chargebacks and automatically deliver sold contents to your customers.
With IndieBill, it is easy to sell and accept credit card payments. Checkout our demo pages : Snapchat / Skype Shows / Content / Tips & Tributes.
We also offer you a minimalist yet very effective store : www.getindiebill.com/store/list/IndieBill_Demo


SylvySinclair's website is about to be up and running, she's been super responsive and it's taken less than 48 hours to get it fully done !
You can have a look here: http://wip.getindiebill.com/queensin...e_profile.html
Very soon, it will be accessible from her own domain that she just bought![]()
I wish you all a great day,
Gérald from IndieBill
IndieBill - Payment processing for indie cam models & adult performers
We payout 85%, protect you from chargebacks and automatically deliver sold contents to your customers.
With IndieBill, it is easy to sell and accept credit card payments. Checkout our demo pages : Snapchat / Skype Shows / Content / Tips & Tributes.
We also offer you a minimalist yet very effective store : www.getindiebill.com/store/list/IndieBill_Demo
my site is up and running: www.queensinclair.com![]()
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I already have a website built. Can you design something so I can integrate it into my site seamlessly, as in it still looks like my site (or very similar)?


Hello MistressX,
Absolutely! We can build you a store featuring your 40 videos present on C4S and your current website colors that you'd integrate very simply in an iFrame. This would be totally invisible for your customers, and it's very easy to get done.
Here is an example of iFrame integration for a store: http://www.supercamsstudio.com/#!store/yyp96
Besides the store, it's also quite easy to add IndieBill payment links here and there on your site in nice buttons depending on your needs. Of course, we can give you a hand with this too.
Don't hesitate to come chat live with us (chat bubble at the bottom right of every and each of our pages, for example here http://go.getindiebill.com) and I'll walk you through how it works and how to get it done. In total, it'd take about 2 hours work on your side to get the store ready and integrated.
Best regards,
Gérald from IndieBill
IndieBill - Payment processing for indie cam models & adult performers
We payout 85%, protect you from chargebacks and automatically deliver sold contents to your customers.
With IndieBill, it is easy to sell and accept credit card payments. Checkout our demo pages : Snapchat / Skype Shows / Content / Tips & Tributes.
We also offer you a minimalist yet very effective store : www.getindiebill.com/store/list/IndieBill_Demo
I think IndieBill is a necessity for any one in the adult business. They are far more then just a payment processor and offer a wide variety of services that you are welcome to use as many or as few as needed. In my case they worked with me to build a CUSTOM store to my EXACT specifications for FREE. They have also spent there time directing me in ways to brand myself that I would not have otherwise thought of. You receive 85% of your sales compared to the high fee's charged by other companies. It is important to note that IndieBill charges an additional $0.95 processing fee per transaction to customers in order to cover the processing fees of the payment
EXAMPLE
You put a video up sale for $100, the customer would pay $100.95 to purchase it and you would earn $85 for the sale.
Payout twice a month via Paxum (free), International Wire Transfers ($30) & SEPA Wire Transfers (free almost everywhere).
You can view my store at check it out
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Thank you Marie to come to SW and create an account to share your experience about working with us. Awesome of you!
Just a quick correction about international wire transfers: they're actually free in most countries of the world including USA / CA and all of Europe. So you'll get your money from us for free indeed![]()
IndieBill - Payment processing for indie cam models & adult performers
We payout 85%, protect you from chargebacks and automatically deliver sold contents to your customers.
With IndieBill, it is easy to sell and accept credit card payments. Checkout our demo pages : Snapchat / Skype Shows / Content / Tips & Tributes.
We also offer you a minimalist yet very effective store : www.getindiebill.com/store/list/IndieBill_Demo
I would like to share an experience that happened to me yesterday and thank Indie Bill for being the only one to catch it. I had someone contact me yesterday on Skype telling me they had just joined my website (model centro) for 1 year and would be interested in purchasing my time to just chat I said no problem and sent him to my Indie Bill store he then asked if I accept gift rocket I said sure (this was my first experience with gift rocket) he sent me $100 gift card and we commenced chatting then Gerald contacted me notifying me that someone had tried to tip me and they flagged it as fraudulent I then wrote gift rocket who sent me the following reply when asked if the purchase was legit.
Yup! Looks good.
Jake Douglas
Community Manager
GiftRocket
So I continued to chat with the man as the email address was different from the one that had tried to make purchase at Indie and he proceeded to send me another $50 threw my website and another $100 Gift Card well I woke this morning to 2 emails telling me the gift cards would not be honored. Thanks god I did not provide a show for this man and did not really lose anything as I just chatted as I worked. Thanks again Indie for being the only one to catch this keep up the good work! Here is a list of the names I could attach to the guy live:earnytiltle, earnytiltle, live:connal75, connal75, live:lokituret91, live:dennisroster1, live:dennyf11
Marie Wadsworthy


Thank you Marie for sharing, I'm glad we could catch it
We've been working closely with a C4S studio lately to power our first store with more of "C4S experience" if I may say. I believe it's pretty neat (even though not totally finished) so I wanted to share it with you all. Don't hesitate to give feedback (the good and bad as always).
Here is the link for having a look: http://wip.getindiebill.com/nomercyf...c3d5/home.html
If you'd like to get such a store / full website, don't hesitate to reach out. The store itself is generated automatically so we're able to deliver fairly quickly even for large amounts of videos (on your end you can count about 1 hour work per 60 videos).
The site is responsive, the hosting is for free as always.
I wish you all a great Sunday !
IndieBill - Payment processing for indie cam models & adult performers
We payout 85%, protect you from chargebacks and automatically deliver sold contents to your customers.
With IndieBill, it is easy to sell and accept credit card payments. Checkout our demo pages : Snapchat / Skype Shows / Content / Tips & Tributes.
We also offer you a minimalist yet very effective store : www.getindiebill.com/store/list/IndieBill_Demo





Had my first sale the other day![]()
Also, I'd like to give indiebill mad props for not sending generic responses when I've emailed with questions. 10/10 happy about this!


Congrats caramelcrazeyes you can count on us to read and reply properly to each and every question (although it's happened that we forgot to get an answer to someone, in that case don't hesitate to ping us on the live chat - and expect lots of apologies).
I believe I reached out to you, although I can't be sure since you're using different screen names. Don't hesitate to reach out if you'd like to get a website with us![]()
IndieBill - Payment processing for indie cam models & adult performers
We payout 85%, protect you from chargebacks and automatically deliver sold contents to your customers.
With IndieBill, it is easy to sell and accept credit card payments. Checkout our demo pages : Snapchat / Skype Shows / Content / Tips & Tributes.
We also offer you a minimalist yet very effective store : www.getindiebill.com/store/list/IndieBill_Demo


@SexySusie Thank you !)
I'd love to build you one if you wish![]()
IndieBill - Payment processing for indie cam models & adult performers
We payout 85%, protect you from chargebacks and automatically deliver sold contents to your customers.
With IndieBill, it is easy to sell and accept credit card payments. Checkout our demo pages : Snapchat / Skype Shows / Content / Tips & Tributes.
We also offer you a minimalist yet very effective store : www.getindiebill.com/store/list/IndieBill_Demo
Hello Susie and indiebill,
I am always honest so I'll explain first:
Since years, I have been trying to find ways to establish my own store, mainly due to massive demand of customers purchasing outside of the clipstores, directly from me, but also because I would be able to design and present my products exactly how I wish - and I think I could improve sales, because most clipsites don't follow basic usability and sales psychology.
I have researched over and over, literally spent days and also consulted with accountants, but I could never find a solution where I, when selling goods from my own website, would not have to pay VAT. The only thing I was told, which I am not even sure about anymore, is that I don't have to pay VAT across the money I receive from third parties outside the EU (e.g. c4s).
So I was thinking about using indiebill, but as I have my site and store set-up already and just need a payment processor, I could also just sign up with their payment processor, securion pay. It would make sense only if I didn't pay VAT, which is 20%, because if indiebill pays the VAT and I still receive 85%, I obviously receive more than if I sold the items myself.
On top of that they cover chargebacks and hosting.
So as I understand, custom clips for 1 customer and live streaming are free of VAT, but I couldn't confirm that with any source. I also followed your link but couldn't confirm. Things for the UK will change anyway, but it would be nice to find that live streaming and 1 time made videos (customs for 1 user) are exempt of VAT for EU countries like Spain, France, Italy, Germany, Netherlands etc.
Because then I would do live streaming on my own, as well as customs and use indiebill for clipsales.
However, if indiebill now decided that they wouldn't pay VAT, because it is somehow not required, then I wouldn't use them, because I think someone needs to pay VAT and if they don't do it, I would have to.
Do you know anything about VAT on revenue share, where a company in country x sells to a customer in country y but then someone in country z receives a percentage? Because as I see it, c4s or, respectively, indiebill would be the sellers of "my" goods and would need to pay VAT. But what about the money they send to me? Shouldn't I write a bill with VAT and they pay me, after which I pass the VAT on to my country and they get it back from theirs?
I also couldn't find the EU rule about those 83k yearly earnings, I have to be VAT registered from about 19k / year, which I am.


Hello Sinna,
I'm no expert in VAT, and just like you I've struggled to try and understand what the hell they expect from us - reaching out to people and reading quite a few articles from the law directly, blogs and the UK government website which is pretty neat.
Like you, even though I spent much time, I wasn't able to figure out exactly what's going on - it's pretty damn complex to abide (while US websites don't even care about it, which represents quite an unfair competition).
Instead of being stuck on this issue we've decided to move forward and implement something we deemed 'good enough' from our current understanding, and until we've got money to pay for VAT experts (who are very expensive) to design the system more accurately.
Currently we're paying VAT on our commission (the 15%) for models residing in EU. We're not handling VAT on the rest which is your income.
Please find below my answers about your issues. It is to take lightly as I am no expert and haven't figured it out yet, however I'm answering to the best of my abilities and I hope it do help (I'm discussing only EU, leaving out some other VAT countries like Japan):
- You don't have pay VAT on money you receive from abroad, they're running the site (traffic acquisition & sales) and they should be handling it for EU customers depending on their country of residence. However sites like C4S really don't care, and therefore they bring a legal liability on you - although they're the ones mainly at risk imho.
- You can go over to SecurionPay directly but you'll need to integrate their solution, build/get a solution for delivering sold content, pay 500€ to Visa / MasterCard annually & handle frauds. That's a bit of work but you'll get lower costs than with us indeed (5% + 0.30€ / transaction + fraud costs - a chargeback costs 25€ + the transaction amount)
- VAT is to be applied depending on two main factors:
--> The country of residence of your customers (for which you have to collect and log proofs such as IP address, billing address etc.)
--> How much the sale is automated, that's why custom videos & live shows go by different rules - which I could not exactly get either but I believe they're subject to the "standard" VAT rules instead of the MOSS VAT rules which rehauled the sales of digital content
- We haven't decided not to pay VAT, we've just reworked our collection system to the best of our current understanding / resources. It may be that we have to pay a fine in the future if collecting/remitting VAT on our commission isn't good enough, but at least it keeps us going while we figure it out better
- There is no EU rule about the 83K earnings, these rules are specific to each country (which adds up dramatically to the difficulties of understanding what we should do since we already work with models from more than 10 different countries in EU)
I really hope this helps, but I know we are not there yet on this issue.
Regards,
Gérald from IndieBill
IndieBill - Payment processing for indie cam models & adult performers
We payout 85%, protect you from chargebacks and automatically deliver sold contents to your customers.
With IndieBill, it is easy to sell and accept credit card payments. Checkout our demo pages : Snapchat / Skype Shows / Content / Tips & Tributes.
We also offer you a minimalist yet very effective store : www.getindiebill.com/store/list/IndieBill_Demo
Hello Gérald,
thanks for trying to explain. I will consult with a tax expert soon (again) to find out about the tax and vat regulations in more detail. My experience, however, is that they are not clear about it either
Honestly, it's just stupid. They want our money, we want to pay them but they don't give clear and understandable instructions on how to do so. They should just make the system way more straightforward.
By the way, securionpay is out of the question (like many others I have asked to process for me) because they, just like e.g. netbilling, require an astronomical monthly earning to process for my high-risk business. I don't know how you, with a starting business, convinced them, but they are not going to process for me. Although I have a chargeback rate of 0.005% over the past 6 months, which leaves the question why I am high-risk to start with, but that's another discussion that people lead inside the adult industry. If you ask me, it's just to squeeze money out of adult performers.
So I would use you for customs, but I already have a processor at 15% for that, residing in the US, for which I hope I don't have to pay VAT.
I would still like to investigate the idea of using indiebill for clip packages, however, I don't know if it's possible for you to offer some sort of automation for that. Could you email me at sexysinna at gmail dot com?
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