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    I am not afraid of PayPal. I have some customers who are loyal who would never rat me out and I want to give them a better deal than the site I'm in and me still make more.

    So so do any of you successfully use PayPal and so indie skype shows

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    The public can read this forum! IF I were to take customers off sites I would not feel comfortable posting it out in the open.
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    why not go to cammodelstore and open ur own store ? its on sale for 100$ start up and its 80% payout weekly ive been spending the past few days getting approved with my ID and getting my store items approved. when u get approved they make u a basic layout header and icon and stuff i think they just edited my stuff from twitter but they found my twitter and clip for sale store and linked them in my profile for me . they also did enough digging and found out my favorite color was pastel purple and made my entire profile with shades of purple lol

    this is my store just to give u an an idea of what they do for u before you even make a sale im super impressed on how much they go out of their way to for u at the start http://www.cammodelstore.com/MoraviaAvalon

    i dont know about the paypal thing is all you just never know . theres a thread kinda near the top of the threads last i looked about panty sales and theres a link to a story in there about a camgirl who got busted and got lady justices javel thrown at her for mailing bio hazard material because a good gone bad custie sent her something labeled a package as child porn which led to an investigation and i guess that resulted in one of her panty packages being opened and she got busted.

    i know selling skype shows and panties are two completely different things but its just an example of u just never know so dont risk it.
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    Personally I wouldn't. Not only because it's not customers ratting you out that's the big risk, it's their wives calling up their bank to find out what all these strange charges are for. Bank says "it went to Paypal". Wife says "we didn't order nothing from Paypal, cancel it, I want my money back." Paypal gets a fraud notification from the bank. Once Paypal customer service is involved, they will trace that transaction to you, investigate all your PP transactions, and if based on your pattern they suspect adult transactions, boom your account and your money are gone.

    But more importantly because I believe it's only fair to contribute to the camming ecosystem for our own survival. The site that brought me the custie deserves to earn its cut for all the running costs they incur to bring me that custie. They earn money from me, they keep their site up/buy more traffic/etc, so us cam models can get even more custies in future. Trying to cheat the system by using paypal hurts your camsite, which means less spending on traffic/site upkeep/good support staff, which means less future earnings for you. You just played yourself. It's not a good idea.



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    I would suggest you reconsider. All it takes is one. One customer, one bad moment, one phone call/email/whatever, one suspicious spouse/significant other. We're all human, we've all done something we never thought we'd do, or that someone would never think we do. Because, again, we're human and we sometimes do stupid things we regret. I have clients whom I genuinely adore and would feel the same way you do - but I still would not in a million years take that risk. Totally not worth it, to me.
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    There is nothing wrong with indy shows, but there is something wrong with taking payments VIA Paypal when it's strictly against their rules. Do you think it'll go unnoticed? Yeah, it probably will for a while. In fact, you might never get caught! But if I were you, I'd be freaking out with every single payment I take. Everything will be roses and daisies, until one of your "trusted" regulars decide that they want a refund for their "show"..and your account gets blocked. With YOUR money on it. That YOU worked for. Inaccessible. If you're willing to take that kind of financial and business risk, then so be it. I promise there are ways and websites to earn a bigger cut, you just have to do some searching :,)
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    Nobody knows who I am so I'm not even worried about somebody knowing I might take customers Indy. But th sites take way too much of OUR money.

    With that said, they are welcome to visit sites and spend on models on those sites. I do have every right other than breech of contract to do Indy shows and even steal clients. The penalty is a ban from a site that is sort of screwing me anyway. I never thought some cam
    Models might not like the idea of Indy since cam models have for years been directing traffic to their own sites in round about ways.

    So, with that day if PayPal is out I would have to take other forms of payments. Wal Mart gift cards would be one. Or Amazon.

    I haven't totally decided. It's just an idea. Thanks for the perspectives.
    Aaaannnnnd there's no way for me to decide if they are or aren't over 18. So that's kind of nipping that in the bud. I'm
    Just sooooo tired of the low payouts. Just forget that I even mentioned this. Thanks for saving my ass.

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    Yeah I decided against it in my previous reply.

    On another note, a pp business account doesn't show your real name. I've had one for years. I'm saying no simply due to age verification purposes. I have no way of getting that in stone and that just freaked me out.

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    We have no issues with indy. Just use an indy site that processes payments like livecammodelshows.com or cammodeldirectory.com or something. Keeping 85% of your earnings is hardly being screwed, especially when you compare it to the 35% or less on Streamate and some other sites. Steal the customers from the big box sites if you want to do that but just please don't use non adult friendly payment processors.

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    Thanks for the infor. I value opinions. I'm an INTJ so I look at every aspect of everythig. I feel like this was a shitty idea thanks to you guys pointing out different perspectives. On my end at first it seemed smart.

    I like the idea of an 85% payout with no liability.

    FYI, eBay doesn't allow the sale of things like dirty panties or what not and forces people to use PayPal but in the adult category people sell pic sets, vids and panties advertised as "clean" even though they are dirty. PayPal is the only processor eBay allows people to use. Idk what the deal is with PayPal and eBay but I used to sell men's dirty undies to other men on there all the time.

    I guess this was one of those "never hurts to ask". Luckily for me I ask and think before I do. Thanks guys.

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    Can somebody delete this? I feel really stupid and embarrassed I even asked this. Gosh.

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    Don't be embarrassed. Personally I'm happy to see that you were open and understanding of the perspectives and responses presented here. With that said, I also think your general logic is totally valid; a lot of girls hate how much the big box sites take out of our income, so naturally they're going to consider other options. For that reason I think this thread should definitely remain un-deleted. It's worth keeping up to prevent another cammodel from using Paypal, and to educate them about indie payment processing options.
    This, I think it's valuable information and hopefully helps someone else who might be considering PayPal or another payment method/processor that doesn't allow adult transactions.

    I know you already made up your mind, Rena, so this isn't necessarily directed at you, but just to put out there in general in case it helps someone:

    When we use a payment processor like MC, LCMS, or CMD, the cut they take is for services rendered. With the 15-35% they keep they: pay their employees, purchase and maintain technology, rent office space, purchase and maintain (office) equipment, advertise and continue to generate revenue, buy their peeps pizza on a Friday maybe once in a while - it's pay for play. We can't sit here and expect to get something for nothing (or next to nothing) - no more than guys sitting in our rooms can say, "show me ur tits bb!!!" and expect us to do it for free.
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    I'm rarely one to defend affiliates (though I'm finding I'm doing it more and more lately).

    The thing is, that customer didn't just wake up in the morning with "Streamate! I must google Streamate!" rolling through his waking mumblings. Someone invested a lot of time and effort to get that customer to your doorstep. Someone else put a lot of time and effort into creating a platform (functional for you or not) for that customer to meet you on, and take care of your billing and streaming and 100 other tasks that you don't think about because you basically just get in the mood and log on.

    I've actually heard someone say "Affiliates never bring me paying traffic, so fuck them." If you were EVER in a paying show on SM, an affiliate brought you that traffic - by definition, all paying traffic is "good traffic". Affiliates were 1/3 of that equation. The site was about 1/3 of that equation. And finally your hustle and efforts are about 1/3 of that equation. Everyone involved makes money if everyone is doing their part - and if anyone fails or cheats the system, everyone loses and nobody gets paid. Saying you want to turn around and take that client offsite is basically stealing from everyone else involved in bringing that client there to meet with you, as well as removing that client from the pool for every other cammodel on the site.

    You are absolutely free to say "eff the system" though. You need to make your own site, get your own adult pay processor, and bribe or pay for your own traffic. Doing this, your net profits will probably be in the 75% range from every sale. Remarkably, this is about identical to bringing your own clients to Streamate or any indy listing site.

    The more I see things from all sides, the more convinced I am that the majority of the time its an extremely "fair" system, individual entitlement be damned. There are always little tweaks that can make it "more fair", but for the most part it works.

    And then there's the whole can of worms in using a non-adult processor to do your business which is covered about 2-3 times a day in other threads.

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    I've been wondering if this thread needed a bit more commentary about taking guys to Skype, due to the thread title.

    I agree for the most part with Katy. Our big box sites aren't necessarily working in our best interests all the time, but they do have value that is worth a significant %. Working indy involves quite a bit of additional pain in the ass, and there are a lot of details that you never realized the site was handling for you. On top of that, I don't know much about marketing at all, but being able to direct large quantities of fresh, potentially interested traffic is not a skill to be taken lightly. Generally you should respect the work and services that your sites give you and not steal customers.

    However, I think there's a difference between stealing and allowing a natural trickle to come to you on Skype. I have had a decent handful of custies switch from a big box site to Skype, but not because I ever suggested it to them or provided them info about it on the original site. If a guy from a big box site approaches me on Skype, I know that he had to:

    1. Like me enough to google me,
    2. Actually visit my twitter or website,
    3. Bother to read enough to notice that I offer Skype,
    4. Be interested enough to seek out more info,
    5. Click the link to my LCMS or CMD profile,
    6. Read enough to acquire my Skype ID, and
    7. Contact me on Skype

    If he has managed to do all those things, it tells me that the dude is not a total moron and is quite interested in me specifically. Really, these are the only big box custies you should want to deal with on Skype anyway. All those "Skype bb?" guys who won't even attempt to google you and find out for themselves need far too much hand-holding and would be a terrible PITA on Skype. The ones that make it through all the steps without any urging or guidance from me are fair game in my opinion, but they are few and far between in the grand scheme of things. Plus, once they know that they can get Skype shows, I can't exactly insist that they go back to paying double the amount on SM or wherever.

    Basically, I think the fair and productive way to take guys to Skype is to follow the site rules about giving out info, leave a trail of bread crumbs, and let the truly dedicated custies come to you on their own.
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    I have to agree with Katy on this. I have been running my own porn site for just over 10 years and I understand how getting traffic works. I work only on SM to date and I never steal their clients because I have way to much appreciation for just how much paying traffic they bring me. After 10 years in this game I know just how many tens of thousands of viewers need to pass through your site just to get that one average paying client, never mind the whales.

    I do offer Skype shows to some of my own clients but when guys on SM ask me to do Skype or even just asks if I do Skype shows I always answer that the only place they can see me on cam is here on SM.

    Also I pimp my cammodels link as much as I can to my own traffic. I love signing in Sunday or Monday and instead of $0 my amount earned is already showing profit! You want more money? Become your own affiliate!

    Now I realize that lots of performers will disagree with me and will continue taking traffic from the cam sites so they can "make more of the profit" and I know a lot of performers out there still think in terms of the site keeping X% of THEIR earnings but these people are just ignorant as to how business really works and will never reach their full earning potential because this is a business model that is not sustainable.

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    As much as I love Katy and Deep, I have to tastefully disagree with the current payout percentages on sites like SM and other pay per minute, private based sites.

    The current affiliate programs are from 10 years ago and they haven't changed. Back then, models were not as tech savvy and they didn't know about social media marketing and click bait tactics and building white labels from scratch. These days, anyone can do these things. The problem is these sites are marketing the affiliate stuff to non-models who parasite off our work. No, we don't need webmasters. Get rid of them and be your own and sites should change their marketing to encourage models to take upon the affiliate programs and reward the models for doing the extra work for themselves. What would be more motivating for the models and the sites can also save money and take out the middlemen. More for the site and more for us.

    It is pretty clear that token sites can do very well at 50%. $0 Gold shows on SM are the exact same hustle and if girls are offering them, those shows should payout 50%.

    I may get super flamed for saying this but there is a reason why women get paid less in the workforce for the same work that men do. It is probably a combination of factors like we don't feel we deserve to get paid the same, we don't inflate salary history, women are not encouraged to negotiate but instead we are told to just be nice. Goddamnit, this is 2016. Change the affiliate diaper model already.
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    Bad juju, bad karma and unethical. Let me tell you my experience with Paypal. As a camgirl for 14 yrs I used to accept paypal in the beginning, the first several years. Then they were sold and we were not allowed to do adult transactions anymore. I still accepted paypal despite that. My account has been frozen for a decade.. Just recently in the last year I contacted paypal to lift the freeze so that I could do non adult work and that's the only way they pay is via paypal. They told me pretty much for as long as I live my paypal account will be limited. So unless you want that happening to you? I would totally advise against that.. I am NEVER allowed to use my paypal for the rest of my life! Unless they get sold to someone else possibly.. Who knows!

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    You did bring up the point about token sites, but we considered this also. Most of the models that do well on token sites...really well...put considerable effort into their own marketing there above and beyond just sitting in free chat. You have profiles to build and update, fan clubs to maintain, videos and other "extras" to produce. The very top models on MFC probably sacrifice 30%+ of their cut to keeping professional marketers and assistants on staff. Considering that you're ALSO doing a fair share of your own marketing to make the big bucks, the 30/30/30'ish ratio still holds...you're just taking your camming 30 and part of the marketing 30.

    Models on token sites that put zero creativity and extra work into their shows make very much less than minimum wage. We have an entire roster full of them.

    Its the reason why we encourage brand new models to work on a box site (SM, Cams.com, etc) for the easy starting money (average $20-30/hour right out of the gate with zero experience) while also maintaining profiles on Skype listing sites to give some easy marketing experience with profile building and "indy" clients.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rena83 View Post
    I am not afraid of PayPal. I have some customers who are loyal who would never rat me out and I want to give them a better deal than the site I'm in and me still make more.

    So so do any of you successfully use PayPal and so indie skype shows
    I wouldn't use PayPal at all. I sell skype shows on token sites I work on, but I also have my cam model directory link on my skype status message so clients can see where to find me, I also promote CMD on my twitter. I tell my loyal clients about CMD because that's better deal for them, they pay less and I earn more.


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    You did bring up the point about token sites, but we considered this also. Most of the models that do well on token sites...really well...put considerable effort into their own marketing there above and beyond just sitting in free chat. You have profiles to build and update, fan clubs to maintain, videos and other "extras" to produce. The very top models on MFC probably sacrifice 30%+ of their cut to keeping professional marketers and assistants on staff. Considering that you're ALSO doing a fair share of your own marketing to make the big bucks, the 30/30/30'ish ratio still holds...you're just taking your camming 30 and part of the marketing 30.

    Models on token sites that put zero creativity and extra work into their shows make very much less than minimum wage. We have an entire roster full of them.

    Its the reason why we encourage brand new models to work on a box site (SM, Cams.com, etc) for the easy starting money (average $20-30/hour right out of the gate with zero experience) while also maintaining profiles on Skype listing sites to give some easy marketing experience with profile building and "indy" clients.

    For those models who don't want to do their own marketing then yes, I can see why they would prefer the current webmaster affiliate program. There are quite a few models on SM who do ALSO offer vids, pics, and extra social media marketing etc. they do on the side in addition. SM is the only site that offers the cammodel program and that's great too. But that cammodel link is limited, and we're not allowed to promote it in really effective ways to really make a difference.

    Reward the models who do extra marketing, and don't reward those who prefer to be more passive.

    If you look at the statistics on the top MFC models, many of them don't even work half the year. Some work only part time. Some of them don't do ANY videos. A lot are non-nude. Yes, it is only a small percentage of the models that make it to the top 250 however, when they do, it's not always what we believe it to be. I guess the top models who require an entourage prove that they need a team to maintain their top status but there are models who don't require that kind of investment as well.

    I guess in the end it's a crapshoot and it's probably best to just go with the site that you earn the most on, regardless of how much they take from you. 0 of 50% is still 0.
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    I have created a blog for my cam model. There has already been a customer Google me and find me. Thinking I'll direct them to adult work and check out cam model directory. I'm on adult work but I never get anything out of it because i spend no time
    There.

    As a person stated, leave crumbs. I never intended to gunshot blast my personal skype stuff all over sites. I never intended to blatantly break contract rules either. But if I'm gone 3 years and come back and my old regs come In and drop a few hundred (their charge) on me I think they are the customers who need a break and to pay less and I should make more. If they like me that much. And those people are exactly what this idea was about.

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    I don't agree with outwardly stealing customers from sites to Skype. If they find me listed on indie sites on their own and contact me that way, it happened organically. I have my own site as well where I advertise bitcoin payments...but the way I work is the site you found me through is where you will pay me through. those marketing dollars put up by sites that help custies find me means those sites should reap the benefits by getting their percentage. and don't ever use paypal...that's just...not smart




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    Risks:
    Guys get your personal info including real name and address
    Guys do a chargeback
    Guy reports you to PayPal first doing adult transactions
    PayPal bans you
    They ban everyone associated with your IP address
    $500 fine
    Linked Bank account frozen to recover fine amount
    Bailiffs sent to recover debt if you cant/wont pay
    Bad credit record

    This is not scare mongering, it's the very real risks of using PayPal for z ything adult related. There is a REASON 99% of camgirls do not take PayPal, you should really learn something from that.

    taking PayPal for cam shows is the stupidest thing you can do! Don't be a moron. Also, don't be the moron who directly contributes to other girls being scammed cause you've taught guys it's OK!!
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    In regards to taking guys from sites - if it's your main money making site and you'd be lost without them, DON'T BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS! If it's any other site do whatever will bring you the most benefit. You don't owe loyalty to anybody.
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