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    Quote Originally Posted by sexysusie View Post
    In regards to taking guys from sites - if it's your main money making site and you'd be lost without them, DON'T BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS! If it's any other site do whatever will bring you the most benefit. You don't owe loyalty to anybody.
    I decided Adult Work would suffice. Although I have used PayPal for adult items on eBay in the adult section as that's the only way to pay there.

    i do find it odd it's ok to accept it for adult items and photos etc on eBay but not outside of eBay. Then again I'll never understand how PP does anything they do.

    I am very familiar with bans. I have been banned from eBay, using ip, after I cussed out an eBay rep because they wanted me to show them a receipt for a coach bag I was selling when all I had was a gift receipt as it wa a gift. Apparently it wasn't good enough so I cussed them out and was banned from selling for like a year lol!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rena83 View Post
    I decided Adult Work would suffice. Although I have used PayPal for adult items on eBay in the adult section as that's the only way to pay there.

    i do find it odd it's ok to accept it for adult items and photos etc on eBay but not outside of eBay. Then again I'll never understand how PP does anything they do.

    I am very familiar with bans. I have been banned from eBay, using ip, after I cussed out an eBay rep because they wanted me to show them a receipt for a coach bag I was selling when all I had was a gift receipt as it wa a gift. Apparently it wasn't good enough so I cussed them out and was banned from selling for like a year lol!
    Paypal is perfectly fine for adult ITEMS. Electronic services fall under a completely different category.

    You can sell sex toys, pornographic DVD movies (and VHS tapes for that matter), posters and physical photo sets, etc using PayPal because they are physical items that can technically have a return policy and delivery/tracking attached. Credit card companies partnered with Paypal do not consider most physical merchandise to be in a "high risk" category - I think firearms and ammunition are still considered "high risk". I have seen some "old school" erotica sellers on random websites that readily accept PayPal with legit merchant accounts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KatyBoleyn View Post
    I'm rarely one to defend affiliates (though I'm finding I'm doing it more and more lately).

    The thing is, that customer didn't just wake up in the morning with "Streamate! I must google Streamate!" rolling through his waking mumblings. Someone invested a lot of time and effort to get that customer to your doorstep. Someone else put a lot of time and effort into creating a platform (functional for you or not) for that customer to meet you on, and take care of your billing and streaming and 100 other tasks that you don't think about because you basically just get in the mood and log on.

    I've actually heard someone say "Affiliates never bring me paying traffic, so fuck them." If you were EVER in a paying show on SM, an affiliate brought you that traffic - by definition, all paying traffic is "good traffic". Affiliates were 1/3 of that equation. The site was about 1/3 of that equation. And finally your hustle and efforts are about 1/3 of that equation. Everyone involved makes money if everyone is doing their part - and if anyone fails or cheats the system, everyone loses and nobody gets paid. Saying you want to turn around and take that client offsite is basically stealing from everyone else involved in bringing that client there to meet with you, as well as removing that client from the pool for every other cammodel on the site.

    You are absolutely free to say "eff the system" though. You need to make your own site, get your own adult pay processor, and bribe or pay for your own traffic. Doing this, your net profits will probably be in the 75% range from every sale. Remarkably, this is about identical to bringing your own clients to Streamate or any indy listing site.

    The more I see things from all sides, the more convinced I am that the majority of the time its an extremely "fair" system, individual entitlement be damned. There are always little tweaks that can make it "more fair", but for the most part it works.

    And then there's the whole can of worms in using a non-adult processor to do your business which is covered about 2-3 times a day in other threads.
    I am with you on this one. It is getting really tired to hear girls complaining about "lets take back our industry" "we deserve a higher %" etc. If you do not like the terms/percentages on a site...why sign up for that site? Why stick with it if you are not happy?

    Webcamming was never the models industry to begin with. Large corporate entities, made camming possible...not models. Yes, it would be nice to get a bigger percentage, but if you want that you will have to work for it. Whether it is on corporate sites, or indy camming sites. All larger sites give models the opportunity to earn more if they promote themselves. I think streamate has the VERY BEST payout percentage, IMHO. If you are indy, your clients are always going to see other models. On indy sites, you make a larger % but the site owner usually just sits back while you hustle your own traffic. They cash in on that %, and if your clients see other models you make nothing. I have been both indy and working on larger sites over the years. I enjoyed indy for one reason: prepaid, but otherwise...it is a good way to put way more time and effort into it. On streamate, I log in, make my money in half of the time I did when I was indy, and log off. On skype, you will deal with guys claiming to have internet issues so they drag your show out, etc. There is no such thing as clients you describe, on paypal you are putting yourself at risk. At the very least, go with a indy camming site that will set you up with an adult friendly sub account. It is not a wise decision to put your business at risk for a few extra bucks. You have to put in the time and effort, either way. You will eventually get caught up and banned from sites if you continue to play this game. Each site will have its pros and cons, but it is your decision making that will make you a success or failure. If your only hustle is pretty much stealing customers from larger sites, you need to work on your hustle. This is not a respectable thing to do.

    Sidenote, Streamate has to give a little. All of streamates competitors allow models to skype, etc. All of their competitors have video stores, better tipping options, access to models social media. In this day and age, it is impossible for sm to keep living in the dark ages. All our guests have to do is google us to find us elsewhere. It is pointless for sm to continue to not allow models to mention specific sites. We are all very accessible. Most pervs will go out of their way to stalk you. Only a complete moron cannot figure out where to find me outside of streamate lol...and in all honesty I do not want that kind of guest. SM is losing so much money because they do not have a way for us to sell videos yet. Even good ol IMLIVE has had video stores, recorded show options since the dawn of the site. The way we must sell the videos also takes up valuable time both on and off site. If I want to sell videos it literally takes me 5 minutes to discuss the process with guests, and send my video lists, and the percentage I make in return is not worth it. That is why I am easily accessible in one google search, my fans can find my site and video stores. SM is losing money due to this. If they do make it happen I would have to jack my rates up so high nobody would ever buy them. On video on demand stores percentages are usually over 50%...so why would I sell on sm?

    Honestly, the percentages aren't really a problem, it is the models who charge LOW rates. $1 gold shows and $1.99 a min private sessions at 35%?!? Even if you have 200 viewers in a gold show that does not add up to much after all is said and done if everyone just tips minimums. A good chip in price would be $10 for gold shows, and there should be site wide minimums enforced. That is not too much money to ask for from one guest, but since gold shows going rate are $1-$5, gold show viewers would get pissed if they charged a WHOLE $10 lol. I have never had an audience that likes group sessions, but thankfully when I do a random gold show, I always have that one viewer that tips in much more. That is the pro to gold shows, you never know when mr whale will log in and ambush you with a phat tip. I wish SM also had the option of doing pre paid shows, only enabling block sessions instead of a per minute rate as well, or a way to directly go into paid chat. I used to have my account set up to just go directly into premium chat. I did not get as much traffic but on the days you did not feel like hustling free chat it was really nice. SM does need to work on options for models. Premium chat is pretty much obsolete with gold shows, they should get rid of this feature and make a voyeur chat, where viewers can see but not communicate. Long ago I worked on a site like this and it added up to a lot of money by the end of the day.
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    I have noticed that complainers about large camsites, are most often the ones who aren't using the site to its full potential. They are not taking advantage of their personal affiliate links to make a larger %. They are not signing up to become an affiliate themselves, etc. They are not putting fourth the effort. Even I have been guilty of this lately..but every day I work towards making more offline income. That is where it is really at and where a lot of affiliates do not have an advantage. They are promoting a service they know nothing about unless they were a cam model themselves. They are promoting girls they do not know. This is complicated. We can sell so much easier as affiliates, because we know the hustle from the inside out. The male affiliates out there are at a disadvantage, but they are still making sales. There is a lot of potential..you just have to work for it. When I was promoting heavily and sacrificed my fanbase and sent them all to sm....yes, some of them never returned to my room because they found other models, but I was making money. In my prime, I was making $200 a week in affiliate sales alone. I got out of the game for a few years, but I have been back a year or so..I am planning on sticking with camming for about 5 years, but again...I am all about that offline hustle. Any way I can make money offline, I am looking into. From video stores, to sites like modelcentro and cam model store...to affiliate programs. What I build and put effort towards now, can make me money later. If you are just living in the here and now, later you will have nothing to show for it.

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    I'd rather have 30% of $10,000 than 75% of $500 that I had to work infinitely harder on. I've been in the process of an international move so I don't have my normal setup. I have chosen to focus solely on Streamate in the meantime (instead of fucking with Indy) and I'm making more in less time...kinda makes you think

    Plus, a few of my loyals signed up for SM so I'm making 70% with them and 20% off what they spend on others. Makes me feel niiiiiiiiice and that I got my life back not being stuck to skype, desperately answering messages at all hours since it could mean more money in my pocket




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    my 2 cents on indy camming is unless u have a large number of followers, which i dont as i re-started to cam in march after 6yrs away, is that is a waste of time to wit on great income. im sticking with sites that have ready traffic and i dont have to do anything, as i really dont have time right now with a lot on my life going on, starting with a lil baby and ending in a big home reno, so for me, indy is just a welcome add up. if some day i will have time to work on advertising myself, then i will. other than that, im sticking where i make money.
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    Indy is not my thang. Probably never will be. I'd rather spend time working on clips, social media and being live on a big box site rather than sitting there weeding out the freeloaders/scammers and trolls. When I was indy for short time, 90% of the time that was all I was doing and it was supremely annoying especially when you are trying juggle all of your other eggs. You can only take so much, "do you take paypal, bb, free preview, bb, why you charge, bb, I just want to see you for free, bb?" I got so enraged, I was willing to pay a hacker to create malware to destroy their computers. That's when I knew that indy was not for me.

    This happens on big box sites as well but at least I get paid to deal with it because the volume of traffic allows me to cast a bigger net.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rena83 View Post
    Yeah I decided against it in my previous reply.

    On another note, a pp business account doesn't show your real name. I've had one for years. I'm saying no simply due to age verification purposes. I have no way of getting that in stone and that just freaked me out.
    Pp may not give out real names for business accounts, but your business licensing is public record. Anyone can look up your business, fund out your personal details from there. If you ever had an issue with a client, he could make a complaint with not only pp, but the Bbb and the county itself. Them having a business name could be even worse then just getting your real name.

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    There is a right way to do business & a wrong way. Many lovely ladies are independent & do well. If you need a big box site to STEAL Customers then eventually, you run the risk of being fired. Yes, they do fired performers occasionally. One to many of your guys will come onto that cam site & type in Skype to get you to switch. Assume all conversations & email messages are recorded. Even you telling guys to Google you can be seen as an offense to fire you.


    You signed a contract, if you didn't like that contract then you should have negotiated a better one. A contract is your word, so expecting those guys to keep their word & not turn you into PP is a laugh. Never will understand those who brag about breaking their word or a contract. Basically, calling yourself a liar. If you don't like a contract or the terms then don't sign it & don't work for that company.

    When I promote my cammodel link I make 75% off of that guy that signs up under it & 20% of what he spends on other. This is the deal for all of us to do more promotions, further more I don't ever have to worry about chargebacks.

    I love my affiliates, for my site & for when I came. Seen the traffic they can drive & increase the money I make. To cut them out of the deal is very underhanded & wrong. Lots of girls here have also became affiliates, so they dared to be more than just a camgirl. Since I've owned a solo site for well over a decade, traffic is not easy to come by, converting traffic even more so.

    But it is well worth trying to do marketing & such in order to drive traffic to your endeavors, much better than stealing it.

    Everyone assumes no one will turn them into PP, but eventually it will happen. You are breaking the terms of that contract too.

    I do wish you all the best & good luck.

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    People are freaking out way too much.

    I'm not going to take PP for cam shows. And I'm not going to go to a cam site and start posting/talking about my other sites. I'm not stupid. I'm not trying to be offensive here, but I'm not.

    Basically I was just wondering how often this happens. Honestly I'm lazy. I'm not trying to be a full time cam model, I'm not trying to be a porn star. I want to maximize profits with little exposure. I don't like affiliate programs and while Skype can be capped, I don't care. I DO care about POP UPS! I'd much rather a private show be put out at random under my screen name than a POP UP on a site. So I want to get away from big box as much as possible and I don't want to spend a ton of hours promoting my cam models link. I'd rather work behind the scenes. PSO, selling clothing items, with a little cam in between. I don't like using big box sites and I'm going to just make profiles around on the internet outside the site and people can google me and find me, on their own accord, if they want. I see why affiliates would hate that but, if they find me outside the site then they find me. I want to make it EASIER for people to find me.

    As for selling shows, etc. I do sell panties and other items on various platforms that take a percentage of my profits. I can easily slip a thank you note with my blog address, twitter, and skype in the envelope that I'm packaging up and sending along. I never thought of doing that but I'm going to start. I have purchased PLENTY of items from people and received a personal contact and ordered items from them directly and I had purchased them from a "big box" site. Mostly clothing and beauty products. So this is what I'm going to do. I mean, every ETSY person slips their personal contact in their mailings because they want you to order direct from THEM!

    As for a business PP, you don't have to be a business to own a business PP which will keep your info secure. Anybody can sign up for a business account without registering with the state or obtaining an FEIN. I have NEVER taken anyone from a big box site, and i don't even take numbers from my PSO clients when they offer, nor do I ever entertain the "Skype BB" guys who send me e mails on the big box site. Yes, it's ALL RECORDED and I'm not going to blast my Skype all over and break contracts.

    As far as payments. I used to accept cash ONLY via PO Box for toys and clothing from an auction site. It seems crazy but yes, if you offer a good product a few times and they trust you they will pay cash. Which gets around PP chargebacks and the like. Another option is to offer panties/toys for sale with a skype show, but make it clear they are paying for the items and not the show, and then send the panties to them in the mail with tracking. If you really wanted to use PP.

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    In regards to indy camming, I don't have a ton of followers and I make a good living being indy. However, I know how to market myself extremely well.

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    I would stay away from PP. Consider taking payment in form of Amazon gift card (if the money is being used on purchases) bitcoin, Paxum. I occasionally allow payment via the cash app which isn't adult friendly but I haven't had issues *yet* be careful with it.

    The majority of the time it's just easier to go through the site directly. There's a reason the platforms exist

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