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    Uh oh, the dreaded employee question.

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    Interesting. I know a couple of the clubs in that area actually had an option for you to be on the books. You could pick one or the other and I wonder if that's what this one will do. I worked at that one before, nice club and they didn't charge a house fee. But they took half your money, including rooms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starling View Post
    Interesting. I know a couple of the clubs in that area actually had an option for you to be on the books. You could pick one or the other and I wonder if that's what this one will do. I worked at that one before, nice club and they didn't charge a house fee. But they took half your money, including rooms.
    In Texas, they will let you choose the employee option, with the stipulation that they can ask you to dance for whoever they want (for free), and they choose what you wear. It's supposed to encourage girls to take the independent option, but it's still super annoying. It's like, the judges tell the clubs to be nicer to us and be less obnoxious with scheduling and tip-outs, so they hem and haw over dumb shit like this. Clubs have shifted from customers being their primary source of income, to dancers being a significant chunk of change. It's ridiculous.

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    This is not likely to effect how nyc clubs run, usually clubs can avoid this by more lenient scheduling and tip outs instead of house fees. The further up in ny you are the more extreme cuts they take and to top that off they try to require you to work 4-5 days, thats why lawsuits like this even come into existence.

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    I can't see this being a good thing because then if you're an employee, they could pay you minimum wage. I think not!!!
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    ^ they do. But it's usually a tipped employees wages (think 2-3 bucks per hour range for most states) but you still keep your dance money and stage money after their cut.they just generally take a bigger cut so the girls end up charging more for dances. I worked as an employee and infinitely preferred it to the 100 dollar tip outs And rigid scheduling PLUS the cuts the former club took. I think this is. A good thing personally, the clubs just try and scare the girls by saying dumb shit like "you'll be making McDonald's money if you ask for rights any other worker gets!"
    That has been my experience working in the Boston area.

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    My former club started giving the option for dancers to choose either employee or independent contractor status a couple years ago. If you chose employee, you were agreeing to stipulations like you have to work a minimum of 5 days a week, help clean up at the end of your shift, and split your tips equally with all the employees. Basically, they just made it sound as crappy as possible so no one would want to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamsInDigital View Post
    My former club started giving the option for dancers to choose either employee or independent contractor status a couple years ago. If you chose employee, you were agreeing to stipulations like you have to work a minimum of 5 days a week, help clean up at the end of your shift, and split your tips equally with all the employees. Basically, they just made it sound as crappy as possible so no one would want to do it.
    I forsee this also being challenged in the future. Minimum wage ($7.15 an hour in most states) and splitting tips is one thing, but federal law prohibits tip-splitting if the employee is paid a tipping wage ($2.13 in Texas, more in other states). Lots of restaurants still do this, because no one is challenging them, but the federal government does NOT fuck around with the potential tax liability that comes with tip splitting. They want their cut hahahaha.
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    Tipping wage is $7 in NY, trust as long as the girls dont have to pool tips or give up their lap dance money, those girls will ne fine and prefer being employees. Workin in upstate ny is nowhere as much as downstate and nyc so i see more positives then negatives

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonangelko View Post
    Tipping wage is $7 in NY, trust as long as the girls dont have to pool tips or give up their lap dance money, those girls will ne fine and prefer being employees. Workin in upstate ny is nowhere as much as downstate and nyc so i see more positives then negatives
    When I worked in upstate NY I was making $5/hr under the table. At klassy cat in Rochester I was on the books though. That was about 2 years ago so it may be different now. Mirage only paid $5/hr if you worked friday or saturday afternoons, or sunday nights. They ONLY paid you THOSE shifts. Not for any others lol. so weird!
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    I've been an employee before. I liked it, but probably wouldn't like it anywhere else. We got paid minimum wage, and we paid a house fee of 13 dollars an hour. We tipped out everyone, but the amounts were fair. They took no cuts out of our dances. It was pretty busy when I was there. They also chose your schedule, and would fire you if you missed your shift.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KivaWithAnI View Post
    I've been an employee before. I liked it, but probably wouldn't like it anywhere else. We got paid minimum wage, and we paid a house fee of 13 dollars an hour. We tipped out everyone, but the amounts were fair. They took no cuts out of our dances. It was pretty busy when I was there. They also chose your schedule, and would fire you if you missed your shift.
    Wait, I'm super confused. How can they make you pay a house fee if you're an employee?

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