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    Hello everyone,


    First I'd like to thanks the moderators for allowing us to open a new thread and lock the former one which was more about getting a free responsive website with us than IndieBill in general. And IndieBill has changed a lot since then


    At heart we're still proposing the same services though: 85% revenue share on your sales, no chargebacks and automatic content delivery. We're there to make it easy to sell adult content and services to your own audience, and we're still building / hosting free websites for our partners (some examples: www.aeriesm.com / www.nomercyformen.com / www.nikkigreenca.com / blancaamor.indie-boutique.com).


    Below you will find all the information about IndieBill and us, Gérald and Ludovic, the two guys behind. Of course you're also more than welcome to go over IndieBill and drop us a line directly through the live chat so we can talk


    It's organised in the below sections, simply scroll down if you seek to jump to some specific info.


    I) Why IndieBill


    II) Selling with IndieBill


    III) Earnings (including earnings from referring other models)


    IV) Payouts & payout methods (we now have a partnership with BoleynModels for daily pay!)


    V) Getting a free responsive website with IndieBill


    VI) IndieBill's business model (how we can offer 85% and protect from chargebacks)


    VII) Who's working at IndieBill


    VIII) Where IndieBill is going



    I) Why IndieBill

    At IndieBill, we believe there is something utterly wrong regarding how society and people in general consider adult entrepreneurs. We think they are mostly being hypocrite and are giving us all a hard time because they're globally inconsistent with themselves:

    - They say it's not normal to earn a living with your body, and then just go along doing exactly the same thing - selling their brain and muscles to companies.

    - They say everybody should have equal opportunities, and then slam their door in our faces, preventing us from opening bank accounts or accessing great tech.

    - They say they're open-minded, and then try and tell us adult is not a legit business.

    - They say it's a free world, and then try to force us to act in another way - like we don't know what we're doing, but they do.


    When they’re done talking, they hop on on a porn site!

    As a result, adult entrepreneurs cannot access much of the awesome tech available for developing their businesses. That’s breaking our balls. Big time.

    There’s no valid reason why people building legal businesses should not be able to do so without lying to their business partners or relying on the same great tools as everyone else. There’s no valid reason why being an adult web entrepreneur should be a daily pain in the ass to get even the simplest things done, and we want to change that.


    Changing things is always complex and very time-consuming, you can get lost in it. That’s why we’re purposely starting rather small: for now we want to build the best solution for you to sell directly to your audience.

    We believe selling content and services for gift cards is a rather clunky process - too many manual operations -, and getting your customers to buy on sites paying 60% ain’t exactly fair either. We want you to be able to sell content and services simply by sharing links while getting a fair amount: your customers, your content, your money.

    For now, IndieBill has been running well for 4 months and is growing (150 verified models). We'll keep making IndieBill better, scale it up and start tackling other issues as soon as we're ready.


    II) Selling with IndieBill

    IndieBill let anyone (18+) sell adult content and services just by sharing links. Unlike CCBill or Epoch, it's easy to get started:

    --> IndieBill is free to use (no upfront cost, no hosting costs, no hidden costs),

    --> it does not require you to have a company,
    --> you can be approved within 24 hours,
    --> there's no $500 to $1000 yearly registration fee

    ... and the revenue share - 85% - is just as high (customers pay a $0.95 fee per transaction though).


    Creating payment pages is a very easy process (it takes about 20 seconds once you're familiar with it) and allow you to process payments for pretty much anything you need: videos, photosets, ZIP files, Skype shows, Snapchat, custom videos, phone sessions, receiving tips and so forth.

    Payment pages are 100% mobile friendly. And the checkout process is super fast: we only ask for email & credit card credentials, the payment form is displayed directly for increased conversion.


    For now we have 3 specific types of payment pages with a flow 100% adapted to what you're selling:

    --> Page for selling videos (up to 15 GB)
    --> Page for selling Skype shows
    --> Page for selling Snapchat

    The revenue share is always 85%, and you receive an email notification right after each sale featuring a recap as well as the email of your customer. In case you're selling a file, your customer can download it right after purchase (later on as well from his personal library of purchased content).

    Unlike marketplaces, we never advertise anything to your customers - we don't try to get them buying from other models. We only resolve billing issues and ensure live support for them.


    Please know that you can sign up to IndieBill with just an email at https://www.getindiebill.com/beta/signup and test our solution fully. Verifying your ID is only mandatory to actually start processing payments, all the rest works without it.

    We're working very closely with all of our partners, try to always answer live on the support and solve issues the best we can. A few reviews have been posted about us on WeCamGirls if you'd like to have a look.


    III) Earnings

    Your revenue share is of 85% of the price set, and customers pay an additional $0.95 service fee per transaction (not per content).

    So for example, if you price a video $20, then your customers will pay $20.95 and you will earn $17.

    Earnings are chargeback protected as long as you're making normal usage, meaning you will get your earnings fully once the sale has gone through. So far we haven't had the case of a model not making a normal usage and covered all chargebacks.


    You can also earn money by referring other models to IndieBill. Once you're logged in simply click on your avatar at the top-right and then "Referrals" to get your special link.

    You will earn 2% of the referred models earnings for a 12 months period. If you refer 10 or more, you will also earn 0.5% of the earnings of the models they themselves refer (pyramid scheme).

    For example, if you refer 20 models who in turn refer 3 on average, then you'll be earning twenty times 2% and sixty times 0.5%. Assuming models earn $500 / month on average with us, that's $350 / month for you. About $4000 in a year of time.


    Last edited by IndieBill; 10-14-2016 at 07:59 AM. Reason: too many spaces
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    We payout 85%, protect you from chargebacks and automatically deliver sold contents to your customers.


    With IndieBill, it is easy to sell and accept credit card payments. Checkout our demo pages : Snapchat / Skype Shows / Content / Tips & Tributes.
    We also offer you a minimalist yet very effective store : www.getindiebill.com/store/list/IndieBill_Demo

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    IV) Payouts & payout methods

    Each month is divided into two pay periods: from the 1 to the 15 included, and from the 16 till the last day of the month.

    We start issuing payouts the day after the pay period ends. For now it's still very manual on our side so it can take up to a few days to issue all payouts - if you're in a hurry for your money, please drop us a line and we'll make it first.

    We currently offer 3 main payout methods: wire transfers (free !), Payoneer Private Load (3% fee) and payouts via BoleynModels (daily pay!). Please find below some more information on each.


    Wire Transfers:

    We've got a specialised partner which allows us to have a global access to domestic banking systems, meaning that even though we're based in France we're able to send you your money for free via ACH if you are in the US, EFT if you are in Canada and so forth.

    If you're in Europe, we wire for free over $25 in earnings.

    If you're in other countries, we wire for free over $100 in earnings. Very few countries are not available.

    Additionally, we're able to wire you your earnings in your local currency so that you get the mid-market rate on the currency exchange instead of expensive fees from your bank.

    Wires are very quick in Europe, about 24 hours to arrive, and have been taking up to 7 days to arrive in US bank accounts (3 - 5 on average) since we're based in France.

    Please note that you will not be receiving an "international" wire transfer triggering fees (and possibly suspicions in some countries). You will receive a normal wire, as if we were located in your country.


    BoleynModels:

    We're now partners with BoleynModels and you can choose to be paid out by them instead of us directly. In that case you will receive your money daily instead of every 2 weeks, and benefit from the other services they provide (accountancy / tax help / payment of an advance when needed / revenue aggregation for buying a car etc.).

    Their basic fee is currently of 6% or your earnings, meaning that you'll earn about $80 on a $100 sale - instead of $85.

    For those of you who may not know about them, if you are interested in their services I enjoin you to go to their website and reach out to them, they're great!


    Payoneer Private Load:

    For now we're not part of the Payoneer Mass Payout program as they only accept companies with over 1 year in existence.

    Therefore, until 2017 we can use Payoneer but only through their Private Load feature. It costs around 3% and we do not support this fee.

    With Payoneer you'll get your money as soon as we issue the payout.



    We're flexible about payout methods. So if none of the above suits your needs, please drop us a line on the live chat and we'll work out a great solution together.


    V) Getting a free responsive website with IndieBill

    If you're part of IndieBill, we can build you a website listing everything you want to sell / help you integrate IndieBill inside your existing website. This is a free service, and we can also provide you with the hosting (for free) - you only need to buy your domain.

    For now, the sites built manually and tailor-made. It takes about 6 hours work on your side and we can deliver in about a week if we're working efficiently together (and there are not too many change requests).


    Here are some examples:

    --> Solo model site - dark background: www.aeriem.com
    --> C4S studio site - more features: www.nomercyformen.com
    --> Simple webpage - very fast to do : BlancaAmor.indie-boutique.com
    --> Solo model site - light background: www.katieevers.com


    Currently we are the ones building and updating your site on your behalf, but we're working on a nice and easy software that will allow you to take care of it

    All sites are mobile friendly. And it is really your site, meaning you can have anything you want on it - including other payment methods than IndieBill.


    We still don't have subscription billing nor a shopping cart. We know those are two important features for making great adult websites and we'll be getting them after we've automated the building / updating parts as it's currently taking most of our time.


    VI) IndieBill's business model

    During the last 4 months, we've been questioned quite a few times about the viability of IndieBill's business model given that we payout 85% and protect from chargebacks.

    We understand some of you are afraid we might not be in business in a few months - which may always happen to any start-up.

    That's why we decided to share the maths behind IndieBill with all of you, so that you can be reassured about the fact we're indeed building a sustainable business.


    Here are the main costs we have on a transaction:

    --> 4.9% variable fee + 0.30 euro from our payment service provider. On average, about 6.5% of the transaction amount (that will go down a lot with volume).

    --> Chargebacks occurring in about 0.6% of transactions, meaning we lose the transaction + have to pay a fine. On average, about 1.2% of transaction amount.

    --> Your commission, 85%.

    --> Delivering files in case of content sales, on average it costs 0.7% of transaction amount (including transactions with no files).


    ==> There's about 6.5% of the money remaining for us + the $0.95 service fee to pay for all of our other expenses (servers, hosting, salaries etc.).


    IndieBill will pay for its operational costs once we process about $1000 / day. Meaning at this moment the site itself will break-even and we won't be losing money any longer. We're currently processing $500 / day.

    For us to start living from it, we need to process about $3000 / day. Normal salaries would require about $5000 / day, and from there we could be working full-time indefinitely on IndieBill (and look forward to hire other developers! ).

    We have the cash to keep working on IndieBill full-time for quite a while and we're in touch with a few investors. We'd love to get investors and we'll be actively looking for it one month as it'd allow us to hire a few developers and make IndieBill great at a much faster pace.


    Important note: we're not spending your earnings to run IndieBill. So in the event we'd fail, everyone would be paid out normally for his sales - we don't have no credits or any third party which could claim your earnings and force us to pay him instead of you with it.


    VII) Who's working at IndieBill

    We're two french guys behind IndieBill: Gérald and Ludovic.

    I (Gérald) am the CEO and handle most of the business and administrative things, as well as building the free websites. I'm 26 and studied business administration / entrepreneurship in a business school. I also have a strong background in maths and physics as I was initially studying to become an engineer.

    Prior to IndieBill I worked for about 3 years in the adult industry, starting with selling sextoys in home meetings (kinda like Tupperware) and then moving into e-commerce and the cam business. I worked 1,5 years for a cam company as market researcher, business analyst and eventually project manager. You can look me up on LinkedIn.

    Ludovic is the CTO and handles most of what is deeply technical, he's currently single handedly developing IndieBill! He's 31 and an autodidact with now over 10 years of experience in web development. He's worked most jobs existing in web development: webmaster, designer, developer & technical manager. When you have a website that works for a thousand people and you want to make it work for a million, he's the kind of guy you want to call. Here is his LinkedIn.

    Prior to IndieBill he worked the last few years for a french e-commerce company selling subscriptions to boxes full of cosmetics, a mobile ad-network, as well as 6 months for the cam company - where we met and decided to leave to start our own. We both did not like the business model where models would get about 30% of customers' spendings and were much more interested in the indie movement

    Our take is that with technology becoming increasingly accessible and powerful, individuals and small groups are becoming able to do what was previously requiring large organisations. We want to provide great tools to these individuals.


    VIII) Where IndieBill is going

    We mean to build a great adult-friendly payment platform that empowers adult entrepreneurs all around the world. We know that processing payments is not enough to build a successful business, that's why we're also tackling the content delivery and building websites for people to have a neat place to conduct business.

    We also know that this is a too vast market for us to cover on our own, that's why we always think of IndieBill as part of an ecosystem. We've just integrated BoleynModels to provide you with daily pay and revenue aggregation. And we plan on integrating a few more soon, although we can't give names just yet... stay tuned!

    As soon as we can, we'll be opening our tech through APIs so that any developer can build cool stuff on-top of it for the community


    Here is our roadmap for the following months:

    - We'll be rolling out automatic website / store generation
    - We'll implement a shopping cart
    - We'll create specific payment pages for everything that you sell (custom videos, tips, phone sex and so forth)
    - We'll integrate a few more services into IndieBill (ideas are welcome!)

    I've tried to provide you all with thorough information and hope you'll find it interesting. Of course, do no hesitate if you have any questions - we gladly share any and all information about IndieBill. We love to get feedback from you, good and bad, so we can keep building IndieBill well.


    We're young, we're relentless, and with your support we'll see it through one step at a time. If you think IndieBill is a great project, please help us spread the word by telling your friends. And of course sign up to IndieBill to have a look around, it's free and does not require your ID.


    With love from France,
    Gérald and Ludovic
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    We payout 85%, protect you from chargebacks and automatically deliver sold contents to your customers.


    With IndieBill, it is easy to sell and accept credit card payments. Checkout our demo pages : Snapchat / Skype Shows / Content / Tips & Tributes.
    We also offer you a minimalist yet very effective store : www.getindiebill.com/store/list/IndieBill_Demo

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    Working with Gerald&Ludovic due last two months, very good and useful startup, so can recommend

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    Just signed up with BoleynModels as my payment method! Can't wait to get started and get everything ready for when I return to cam soon

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    Thanks for signing up RaeRae! I just got your account validated, you may now process payments

    Let me know via the live chat if you need any help when you start using IndieBill
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    We payout 85%, protect you from chargebacks and automatically deliver sold contents to your customers.


    With IndieBill, it is easy to sell and accept credit card payments. Checkout our demo pages : Snapchat / Skype Shows / Content / Tips & Tributes.
    We also offer you a minimalist yet very effective store : www.getindiebill.com/store/list/IndieBill_Demo

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    For the previews for content, do you have a resolution you recommend to look best on the payment page? Also, will it be possible to use animated gifs at some point?

    Edit: Also some of my videos (which do play fine on my computer) do not show a duration on the content page and I'm not sure why.
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    Hi RaeRae,

    For the cover pictures, what is more important is the aspect ratio (assuming the resolution is good enough, just put your best one). In particular we recommend 16:9 or 4:3 aspect ratios because we have a software resizing your image automatically depending on your customer's screen size when he accesses the page.

    As I am writing this, my partner is currently working on making it possible to upload Gifs and/or preview videos to the payment pages. It's not an easy task though so it will take some time before it is live (should be live before the end of the month).

    For videos' metadata, yes it is a known bug we have: sometimes it does not display correctly because our system is unable to catch the info. However we always receive the video well and there is no issue for downloading it / playing it for customers. We'll try to fix this soon, we know how to do it but unfortunately it will take several full days of work to make this work 100% of the time.

    When we build your site, we'll put the correct metadata in it though no worries.
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    With IndieBill, it is easy to sell and accept credit card payments. Checkout our demo pages : Snapchat / Skype Shows / Content / Tips & Tributes.
    We also offer you a minimalist yet very effective store : www.getindiebill.com/store/list/IndieBill_Demo

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    Thanks for all the information! I look forward to the gifs and video previews being an option in the future! As long as you got my videos correctly, I'm a happy camper

    I already started implementing your payment pages with my current site for Skype shows and tips! Once I finish creating the content pages for my videos, I'll contact you to see about how I would setup a store front for them on my current site as the video store examples look awesome

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    Hello Gerald and Ludovic!

    I commented on the other thread, but now I'm ready to start using IndieBill, and I have some comments, questions, and suggestions. They're all meant to be constructive, so please realize it's meant in a completely friendly manner. Also, take your time with answering - I understand this is a lot.
    Number 5 is my top suggestion/request. I think it would notably improve the site functionality, and if I only got to make one suggestion, that would be it. The rest are just questions, or suggestions that would be frosting on the cake.


    1) Thank you for partnering with Boleyn Models!

    2) I really like what you've done in consolidating the Skype show page so that the customer can choose a Skype show length without having to visit a different payment page for each one. Seriously, that's a huge improvement in usability for us and our customers. Good job!

    3a) On the Skype payment pages, I wish we could change the text that appears under "Select a Session." It reads: "Pre paid shows are nonrefundable but can be rescheduled in advance. Sessions must be used at once, leftover time does not carry over." Regarding the stuff in italics, are we really unable to request a refund to a customer? It's pretty rare, but sometimes you NEED to give a refund, especially for the occasional guy that pays before ever speaking to you and wants something you aren't able to accommodate, or if there's an honest miscommunication or tech problem.

    3b) Regarding the stuff above in bold, one of the beautiful things about indy camming is that we can all run our businesses as we like. Not every model has a policy of "no rollover minutes," and some models handle rescheduling differently than others (for example, some models want more notice than others for a reschedule). In some cases, that section might contradict the model's own policies. If it's not possible to make the "Select a Session" verbiage something that the model can change herself, could that part be removed? Maybe instead you could suggest it as something to include in the "Description" section.
    (Side note: I think you meant "Minutes must be used all at once." When you say "Sessions must be used at once," it sounds like you mean that customers have to do the show immediately.)

    4) In the "Description" section, might it be possible to add links? I tried to put one in, and it didn't work using standard html. It's not a huge deal, but it would certainly be useful for sending people directly to other payment pages or relevant materials. For example, if you made a payment page for phone sex sessions, it might be good to include in the description "This page is only for phone sex. If you are trying to buy a cam show, please click here." Or more importantly, "If you would like to leave me a tip after our show, please click here."
    Which brings us to...

    5) Could you create another product type so that we could create tip pages similar to the Skype Show payment page? The only difference would be that the "Skype ID" field might not be necessary, and don't include a "Duration" field (or if that's not possible, allow "0" or "n/a" as a possible answer). It would be helpful because it currently forces you to enter at least 1 minute, and each item on the page must have a different number of minutes. On top of that, you have to align the tip amount with a number of "minutes" that results in an even number of "$.$$/minute." For example, no dollar amount can be assigned to 3 minutes because that would result in $X.3333/minute. (If you'd like to see an example of an odd-looking tip page created under the current system, I can PM a link.)
    This is important because I don't like the idea of creating a "Tip Me" page that implies that guys get free minutes (or anything else) if they are simply tipping me. Additionally, it would be good for ladies that are selling physical items and don't want to imply that there are any "minutes" included with the purchase. Or for some alternative service such as a virtual GFE experience, wake up calls for a week, findom games, or some other virtual service that isn't really measured in minutes.
    In summation, I would love a new "tip/miscellaneous" payment page type that would function just like the "Sell a Skype Show" page, except without a mandatory "duration." Basically, like the Skype Show payment pages, but with no mention of minutes. Not requiring the Skype ID would be nice, too.

    6) On the payment pages, under the purchase details, could there be an optional field for the guy to enter comments or a note? This would be useful for such things as: a) entering his Skype ID so we know who just paid us; b) if a guy wants to prepay for a show, he can enter the day and time that he would like, or something like "Hey, I know you aren't available today, but I'd like a show when you get a chance."; c) if he is tipping us, to send a nice little note with it; d) any other circumstance in which a guy is sending us money that requires some kind of explanation.

    7) What is the maximum amount that a guy can spend in one payment? For example, if a guy wanted to tip me $2000, could I create a $2000 show (or tip) option? Or would he have to do 4 payments of $500 or 10 payments of $200? (This is a hypothetical situation, but you never know!)

    8 ) Is there some way to change your profile photo (the round one) once you've selected one?


    Ok, I think that's it for now. Sorry again about the length of this post, and how much I'm asking. If you want to address it in smaller pieces over time, that's completely reasonable.
    I realize that some of these things probably can't be done until you have more ability to customize the site code, and that's alright. You guys have demonstrated that you're very responsive to our needs and are willing to work with us to make everyone involved as functional and profitable as possible. You've been working hard to make improvements to the site, and obviously have plans to do more. I appreciate all that and look forward to working with IndieBill!
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    Seconding the comment box. They can put details about what they're looking for, plus their Skype ID so we don't just add random people.
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    It's possible to change your avatar. I asked because some of my payment pages need to be more neutral. I have phone guys who like to pay online. And if I'm supposed to be a white college coed they may get a little shocked when they see my brown face smiling at them.

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    Hi Indiebill,

    First of all i want to thank you for all your help with my previous questions, Gerald was most helpful and friendly. Its finally clicked how i want my site so i do just have a couple more questions for you.

    1) will there be a way to set up a membership section for customers? This can be for things like snapchat and certain pic and clip sets etc
    2) is it possible to add a subscription box so that clients can add in their email address and recieve regular updates?
    3) as already suggested above a comments/purchase order box would be great
    4) in the store section which is currently being developed is it possible to add variants to a product? Ie if i was to sell socks i could add a variant for them being worn for one day and another variant for them to be worn two days and could add variants for shipping to different countries.
    5) promotional code boxes for clips and pics and store items would be great if that could be done? Ie a client would put something like a 'JUNE10' code into a clip purchase and recieve 10 percent off that clip.

    Sorry i know there may be some big asks here and that it will take some time to impliment them all but would any of these be possible? Thanks again for all your help x
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    Hello Magical_Hoohah,


    I'm glad you're now willing to work with us, this is great! And I'm sorry it took me so long to reply, I actually had the below answer started up to 80%, and never got back to it to finish it :/

    No worries for comments, questions & suggestions. Please always share what you think bluntly, it's the best way for us to keep improving IndieBill - and we won't take it personally for sure. We love to hear the good and the bad

    Please find below the answers to your questions.

    About 3a) :

    We can issue refunds to your customers if you ask us to do so of course. This sentence is more for customers, to let them know that they cannot buy, change their mind and reach out for a refund easily - because then it's a bit of a mess for us: we need to reach out to the model, ask if the show already happened or not, the model needs to figure it out, get us an answer and in the end it takes a lot of time.

    On the other hand, if the model is the person who wants to issue the refund we're sure it's in good faith and quickly done


    About 3b) :

    You can handle rollover minutes if you wish, but for us the show will count as delivered if you do 25 minutes out of 30 for example. We cannot refund a customer for 5 minutes of his show because it was not used, that is the main purpose of the sentence.

    However, you are right we can come up with something more flexible or at least which is less prone to contradict your own policies (especially on the rescheduling part). We'll look into it.


    About 4)

    You are right, this could be great. Note taken!


    About 5)

    Yes we'll make a special payment page for tips where customers could either choose between the various tipping amounts you offer - or input a custom amount on their own if you allow it.

    For now we were blocked by the custom amount feature. However you are right, we may be able to first propose the page as you said without the custom amount option. I'll chat this out with my partner.


    About 6)

    a) On a Skype payment page, customers are already able to enter their Skype ID right after the purchase and it appears directly in your Sales section next to his email.

    b) I agree that we should help for the scheduling, however not sure a note would be great for this in terms of user experience (in that case he can reach out to you directly to schedule, and then pay).

    c) Yes we wanted to put a note on the tip payment page


    We try to keep each page as simple as possible for the customers, that's why I dont think we will be adding notes on each and every of them. However whenever it's an important feature (for example tips or custom orders), we'll make it possible for sure.


    About 7)

    Currently we have a limit of $300 dollars per transaction for most transactions, and $400 for Skype shows.

    If a guy wanted to tip you $2000, he would need to go through several transactions during several days at the moment (otherwise our antifraud system would not let it go through).

    The issue for higher amounts is the risk they represent for us when it comes to chargebacks, that's why we're limiting. However, we plan on adding 3Dsecure in the future (where the guy has to confirm his purchase with a code received by SMS) and this will make high amounts purchase possible as it is annihilating the chargeback risk.


    About

    Absolutely, it's not linked in our interface yet (we still need to come up with an "Account" page), but if you go the following URL you'll able to put a new one: https://www.getindiebill.com/beta/avatar


    @malika29 Please find below the answers to your questions as well:

    1) At the moment we do not support recurring billing, until we do we cannot do any membership sections. We do want to support recurring billing in the future.

    2) We can add a subscription box so that clients can add their emails in, but you got to give us the code from a third party provider (like MailChimp, but they're not adult friendly)

    3) Thanks for the feedback

    4) We dont support selling physical goods at the time sorry, so we don't have any features planned in that sense

    5) I agree that vouchers would be great, we do want to have this in the future - but in a long time as we believe other features are more important first


    Thanks for all your questions, I hope I provided you with accurate answers. Let me know if you have more, and of course don't hesitate to reach out via the live chat directly to talk with us.

    I'll answer quicker next time!

    I wish you a great day,
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    Gerald ~

    Thank you for your very thorough reply! I understand about getting stuck during writing and taking awhile to come back to it. I do that all the time! I wanted to reply to a few things.

    About 3) Thank you for clarifying all that. As far as the wording, could I suggest the following? I think it adequately explains your policy regarding refunds, while allowing the model the freedom to stipulate her own rescheduling and "rollover minute" policies. "Pre-paid shows are nonrefundable; if you need to reschedule, please contact the model as soon as possible. There are no refunds for unused minutes at the end of a show, and the model is not obligated to carry over any leftover time."

    About 5) Yes, please! Letting the guy input a custom amount would be lovely, but if that's a challenge, I'd be very happy to do without that part for now. A page of buttons with preset amounts, no minute value attached, is quite sufficient for me at the moment. I'm going to PM you a couple links to "tipping" type pages that I improvised. They are functional, but they look... well... odd.

    About 6) I understand your reasoning. It's great that it's possible to allow notes, at least, and I'm sure that feature will evolve as needed.

    About 7) Perfect! I'm sure most of us understand the need for a transaction limit, but it's nice to know what the limit is when we're making our payment pages. I accidentally put a $500 button before it occurred to me that that's probably above your limit.

    Again, thank you very much for your responsiveness!
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    ooooo I like this... ;0
    The full upload of more than one video sold me

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    Hello everyone,

    Thanks @Erika_Xstacy ! Did you make an account and gave it a try ?

    Thanks Magical_Hoohah for the sentence, it's a good one. I'll try to make it a bit shorter but keep the overall structure.

    Yes for the new payment pages we'll make them 100% adapted to your needs (or at least try) but it will take some time before we can make new ones - it's about 2 or 3 days of work to add a new type of page in the system, and we'd like to tackle the website generation first.

    I believe the next one we'll do is tips, without custom amount at first. And then we'd like to make one for custom videos, with an escrow system (you would upload the custom video to IndieBill when done, and we'd take care of delivering it to your customer directly while giving you the escrowed money at this time).

    You are, $500 is over our limit: we can do up to $400 on Skype show payment pages at the moment and $300 for the other type of pages.

    Have a great evening,
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    Your example site link isn't working btw.
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    Thanks SexySusie! Made the correction, changed the URL and did not think of this side effect. It's now up and running again!
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    Quote Originally Posted by IndieBill View Post
    About

    Absolutely, it's not linked in our interface yet (we still need to come up with an "Account" page), but if you go the following URL you'll able to put a new one: https://www.getindiebill.com/beta/avatar

    Just to let you know, that doesn't quite seem to solve the problem of having multiple characters. I have both a domme persona and a mainstream "vanilla" one and would love two different avatars for different payment pages.

    the link works but what it does is just replace the avatar, not allow you a choice of two.

    Thanks for doing these changes for us!



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    So I'd really really like to request a small change. Is there any way you can give us the ability to edit our product prices? For example, I wanted to add another time option for skype calls, but as it is now, I'd have to recreate my entire indiebill skype landing page just to add a single time and price. Having the ability to edit such things would be a huge time saver on our end!

    otherwise, I love what you're doing and I'm super happy I decided to be an early adapter. Indiebill's customer service is, bar none the absolute best I've come across in the many years I've been in the adult industry. Someone normally emails me back within an hour (normally just 5-10 minutes though). Keep up the amazing work!

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    Hello everyone,

    @laurielegs: yes currently the avatar is the same for all payment pages, we haven't started to allow any customisation of the payment pages for specific personae. We will not tackle this until quite a white, I would recommend using an avatar which suits both personaes if possible?


    @caramelcraze: unfortunately this is not a small change at all for the system, the price is the foundation on which all of the accounting is made. So to allow you to modify the price of existing pages we would need to develop quite a few things to make sure we still calculate your earnings properly etc.

    I understand it would be a great time saver, and wanted it this myself - until I've been told about all it would imply. Thank you for the praise! <3
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    @caramelcraze: unfortunately this is not a small change at all for the system, the price is the foundation on which all of the accounting is made. So to allow you to modify the price of existing pages we would need to develop quite a few things to make sure we still calculate your earnings properly etc.

    I understand it would be a great time saver, and wanted it this myself - until I've been told about all it would imply. Thank you for the praise! <3
    I just didn't think it would be that extensive of a change, as ever other site I've ever been on has the option to edit prices. it's just super time consuming for us. would a discount code system be any easier? it's just frustrating that we have to redo our entire page anytime we want to discount an item or increase the price. Once the holidays hit full force, it'll be insanely hard having to go back and forth, creating different discount pages for single day use, or have to update our links on our social media pages, websites, ect anytime anything changes...

    even if you had a price change approval time frame so you could update your system with such info, that would be amazing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sophianz View Post
    Perhaps a bridging fix for this would be to create a duplicate page of the same product at the discount price. Then link those relevant clients directly to the discount page via your promotion (Twitter etc)

    I don't know if this helps, hopefully it does
    If I want to add a different time option for skype, I have to create a whole new page and update ALL of my media outlets (twitter, skype, my website, my banner ads, and multiple promotion listings). That's over 10 different link changes just to add ONE time option. During the holidays I run a lot of sales... that's 10+ links I have to change for sometimes single day use! If I do a sale on snapchat and skype shows, I'd end up spending at least an hour creating 2 new pages and updating ALL of my links. It isn't time or energy effective to do this, which means I'm pushing traffic elsewhere (which I don't want to do!).

    I know it maybe a difficult fix, but it's really something that'll have to be done sooner rather than later. We all want to make the most of our time and effort when we're on cam or promoting our wares, but this is something that seriously deters us in that mission.

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    Oh crap, I deleted my post just as you quoted it lol. i realized i was off base with my comments once I looked into it

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    Quote Originally Posted by caramelcraze View Post
    I just didn't think it would be that extensive of a change, as ever other site I've ever been on has the option to edit prices. it's just super time consuming for us. would a discount code system be any easier? it's just frustrating that we have to redo our entire page anytime we want to discount an item or increase the price. Once the holidays hit full force, it'll be insanely hard having to go back and forth, creating different discount pages for single day use, or have to update our links on our social media pages, websites, ect anytime anything changes...

    even if you had a price change approval time frame so you could update your system with such info, that would be amazing.
    Yes I agree, that would be better. I don't mean to make excuses, and understand it is a basic feature on other sites - that's why I thought we'd have this option immediately as well, but actually it has to be coded (our system does not currently keep track of a payment page prices overtime, that's why it cannot be changed).


    I've looked into a solution for you though, so that you don't get stuck by this while we do not have the feature

    You could use www.rebrandly.com (or any other URL shortener which allows to change the destination URL) so that you can get "stable" URLs, and be able to change where it redirects in a breeze. It would also make your URLs shorter / easier to remember for both you and your customers as you can customize what is behind the slash.

    Another side effect which is pretty cool, is that it would provide you with analytics that we do not currently have either. Here is a short link I created to make sure it works: http://rebrand.ly/testcontentsale

    If I would position this URL in any number of places, and then decided to redirect to another payment page instead then it'd take about 30 seconds to change the redirection. Let me know what is your take on this solution.


    ps: here are others URL shorteners with a similar feature in case you happen not to like Rebrandly https://www.quora.com/What-urls-shor...ying-long-link
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