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    Just interviewed with Rachel! It was really nice, almost like a really productive therapy session but I'm sure that's mainly because I dug deeper than she was asking for on some questions lol
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    [QUOTE=Sam38g;2931706]
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    1. How and why did you start webcamming? Why does anyone get a job? To make money. MOST redundant & idiotic question ever
    I actually don't think this is a bad first question to start off with. Yes, everyone does it to make money like every other job, but I take it to mean why webcamming specifically. I personally do webcamming because I have disabilities and it is more accessible to me than other forms of work. This fact is never to be used as evidence that cam models are helpless victims as you say, which I actually don't think the OP is saying. I am happy I ended up doing this work and the interviewing of health and cam work is an important and proud part of my identity.
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    Secondly, this kind of basic opening question is a common interview tactic. It can often help the interviewee get more comfortable and establish a basic understanding or relationship between the interviewer and interviewee that can be referred back to or dug deeper into later on.

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    10. What do you enjoy least about webcamming? Nothing, figured out how to turn a negative into a positive & to my advantage years ago. *That is what successful people do, they don't keep complaining, the solve problems.*
    11. Have you felt stigmatised because you webcam? No... people treat a person how you let them
    I know these kinds of sayings are supposed to be inspirational, but I feel like realistically it is sometimes not possible for everyone to get out of bad situations, no matter their effort. I think these kind of quotes does a great diservice to and blames people for their problems, being abused, etc. I personally don't believe in meritocracy or "victim"-blaming.

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    I kinda enjoyed my time on this. It was nice to actually be able to talk about my experiences over the last 10 months

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    Quote Originally Posted by hyori View Post
    Well, I don't really know why camming has to be anything at all other than a way to make money for doing some kind of performance usually of a sexual nature only in virtual context. It is what it is. I don't need to prove anything to anyone, certainly not radical feminists.

    I wish someone who is looking towards a career in statistics would venture into getting the real numbers. Now that's a thesis I would read. As for this one, it's already been beaten beyond the mummification phase in my opinion.
    Agree completley! In just trying to earn a living in this shitty post recession economy, nothing more.

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    Doesnt it strike you as odd, that country as historically anti all types of sex work as the USA has not legislated against camming? Dont get me wrong, I am glad that webcamming isnt subject to regulation - long may it continue!!!!! But it seem disingenuous to me that there should be an abolitionist approach to sex work except when the banking system is making huge gains out of it. The webcam hosting companies are charged between 7 and 15% of each transaction by the credit card companies. Thats a massive profit. Thats why I am interested in this fascinating topic

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    Unfortunately your 'interest' is exactly what they'll be turning to when looking at why and how to legislate us.
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    Not going to happen , if it was it would be happening already. The digital economy bill is a perfect opportunity to do that but its myopically focussing on video streaming. I have spoken to and interviewed a couple of industry insiders including the ceo's of streamate and cams. com . They are predicting profits of between 2 and 3 billion dollars this year and 10 billion by 2020. Where is the drive for regulation? The women working by and large pay tax on their earnings, there are no highly visible "victims" in the same as has been attributed to say pornograpghy or prostitution and it is a massive money maker for the banks. The political advantages of legislating against camming are I believe out weighed by the corporate interests invested in webcamming. If they do turn to my interest they will find qualitative and rigorous data that shows that camming is a career option for women, many of whom have the type of social capital that means that other career paths are open to them but they are choosing to cam out of preference,. In large because it offers the considerable benefits of self employment without the type of substantial monetary investment that so often makes self employment prohibitive to women

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    Quote Originally Posted by rstuart2 View Post
    They are predicting profits of between 2 and 3 billion dollars this year and 10 billion by 2020.
    Are they talking about their own sites here, or guesstimating for the industry overall?


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    The industry overall. Can you imagine streamate making 10 billion profit? Exxon made just over 16 billion this year. Does give you an idea of what a lot of money is involved .

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    I had a lovely chat with Rachel today, and it was a positive experience (professional and comfortable), just like everyone has expressed here so far. I personally feel like I was all over the place with my answers, but I hope my experience still contributes to the purpose of her interesting project.

    What kind of legislation could we be afraid of in this field? Maybe something shitty like a sex work tax? I could see something like that putting a damper on all kinds of legal sex work, but with cam sites already paying us such a small percentage of the pie, I think there would be strong lobby against something like that; additional tax on providers could mean a decreased pool of available models and decreased profits for cam sites. Money is stronger than "morality" at the end of the day.

    If you want to share your own camming experience with Rachel, I certainly recommend doing the interview while she's still gathering data. Best of luck with your thesis Rachel, and I look forward to seeing the end product!

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    This got published today. Its a news/interest article and not really what I consider academic. Wondered what you thought? Was only allowed a 1000 words so difficult to go in depth

    https://theconversation.com/webcamm....lk-about-69834

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    It would appear that the UK Independent picked up the article and ended up outing a camgirl that had nothing to do with the original article by stealing an image of her off of Google as click-bait for Facebook all while using the headline 'Is enough being done to protect them?'

    This is not a good outcome to say the least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SweetieBitch View Post
    I was just about to come post about that. It's all over my Twitter feed.
    I can't express how much my heart hurts about this. The title of this thread is 'Academic Research' so I can't help but wonder why the story ended up being written up into an article form in the first place.

    By the way this was all presented on the first post in this thread I assumed the information was being gathered for her thesis.
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    This is what happens. Stop contributing to it!
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    we need to link people to this thread in future, this has messed up a girls life, for 'academic' research. Utter tripe, is this really what is classed as academic now?

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    I am sorry it has taken a while to post this, but I am working over the Christmas period. Let me say this, the purpose of the interviews was and is to feed my PhD thesis and future academic journal publications
    The idea of The Conversation article was sort of an academic staking out of territory. The Conversation only allows you to publish an article if you are an academic studying at a university. I wanted to let the other academics that are starting to write about camming know that a rigorously researched thesis was on its way. I don’t know if you know this but an American academic has just written an article based on her observations of what is being said by women in public webcam forums. The title of the work is I get paid to orgasm and I felt that it was belittling of the serious work ethic that a lot of the women I have interviewed have. I cannot emphasise enough that my thesis when published will be a serious work that explores themes of precarity, entrepreneurialism and the repossessing of a form of sex work by the women who are engaged in it. My intention by letting the academic world know that my work is based on qualitative interviews was to stop further works based on the ethnographic observations of forums such as this one. My own work will be based on the anonymised content of the interviews that I have conducted for which I have gained the informed consent of the women interviewed. I think it morally ambiguous to use observations of public forums to inform academic studies.
    I was horrified when the article, which I don't consider to be academic was picked up by The Independent.A newspaper I would never write for yet alone buy based on the fact it is owned and run by the Lebedev family who make Rupert Murdoch look like a boy scout. I was even more gutted when I discovered that they had used a random image of a woman and have caused such devastation to her life. The intention was and still is to publish a thesis that shows how a form of sexual labour develops when we don’t have that old crap about victimisation, so when the Independent used it in and in such a salacious way I literally cried. That they have victimised a woman in such a way is horrifying to me.
    I cannot describe how upset I am over what has happened. I owe a massive debt of gratitude to the women I have interviewed. Their insights will be used to inform a 100,000-word doctoral thesis which I hope will be met with the approval of the webcam community as a whole as it will illustrate the lived experiences of the women involved.

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    The kicker is that poor girl wasn't even one that you interviewed. She had no idea what any of this was about. They stole her picture because it was two girls together.. pure titillation factor. The fact that it only stayed up two hours doesn't make up for however many people might have seen it before that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sexysusie View Post
    The kicker is that poor girl wasn't even one that you interviewed. She had no idea what any of this was about. They stole her picture because it was two girls together.. pure titillation factor. The fact that it only stayed up two hours doesn't make up for however many people might have seen it before that.
    I know, I cant verbalise how distressed I am that this has happened.

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    Given the state of the UK right now I worry about the just a laptop and fast Internet connection will do. I already seen an instance on here where a girl paid £220 for a laptop that wouldnt run minesweeper let alone a camsite encoder.

    We dont use normal run of the mill tech. we use above gamer tech. Twitchers dont use as high spec as us so feel the tech side was down played into thinking some one could outlay £1000 and have a few girls working for them.

    The expectation is set to high for just a laptop

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    how did they even get the girls picture? :/

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    Prob a stock image search. The independent prob didnt realise

    The BBC a few years back asked the UNFC to help people in a war torn country and they used an image from halo the computer game.

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    This whole situation has been rather eye-opening for me. I've been thinking a lot about it over these last few days.

    To me, the main question that needs to be asked is this:

    Is it really worth it for camgirls to contribute to academic research/articles no matter how well-intentioned the original work is at the risk of that work then being taken, exploited and twisted with whatever agenda another website wants to do with it when it is reprinted....including using it as click-bait. Whether we like it or not camming, like all other sex work is a titillating topic. I don't really see an end of the public fascination with it any time in the near future.

    This question is one that only each of us can answer for ourselves. In no way is it something that is going to end up being 'one-size-fits-all'. That being said I already know what the answer is now for me.

    Just to clarify, I do not lay any of the blame of what happened with the Independant at rstuart2 feet. It isn't her fault that her academic work was used in the way it was. I am only pointing out that because we work in the adult industry there can be real life consequences for participating to these academic calls for research and it is something that we should all take a moment to think about.

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    The independent are scrambling to make sure they cant get sued. she should ask them for the direct link in Google images to the picture.

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