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    Does anyone dance w/a bad back?
    I never had one before, I believe it's an osteoarthritis issue? I've been going in a sauna, sitting in the sun & of course taking it ez.
    But, I really want to go bk dancing, I had planed to this past week, & I was having to go around w/a cane
    Going to a Dr's prob not an option now, I have racked up some med bills already. Although w/my insur now I could go to a local clinic, for wht/ev good that'll do. I don't want to take pills either, unless absolutley necessary


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    Anyone??


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    Quote Originally Posted by whirlerz View Post
    Does anyone dance w/a bad back?
    I never had one before, I believe it's an osteoarthritis issue? I've been going in a sauna, sitting in the sun & of course taking it ez.
    But, I really want to go bk dancing, I had planed to this past week, & I was having to go around w/a cane
    Going to a Dr's prob not an option now, I have racked up some med bills already. Although w/my insur now I could go to a local clinic, for wht/ev good that'll do. I don't want to take pills either, unless absolutley necessary
    where is a pain?
    So I had really back problems in some instantse i could not unbend. I was like 100 old grandma turned into a pretsel it was verrry painfull. Chiro fixed problem temporally but every month I came back to him with a different problem. I did also a massage every month. It gave me a temporally relive but the back pain sucked all my energy mood was bad too.
    But I found by some miracle in the local health store's newspaper manual therapy practitioner. its also calling craniosacral therapy. I had so many problem and I have noticed them but i did not know what to do with them. He made my body more symmetrical, and already for 2 month i live pain free. And i also have a scoliosis and etc. Craniosacral therapy works with connective tissue, absolutely pain free method. After my therapy ended he even told me what traumas i had which lead to my problems, I forgot about those traumas but when he asked i recall instantly. it cost me 900$ it last 2 months.
    but if you need a pain relive right now.
    1)shredded ginger root 1 table spoon you have to swallow it.
    2)you can apply local some warming balm such as bager warming balm, or narayan oil.
    3)do stretches. you can sit on fit ball with your ass and make round motions on it.
    4)roll a tennis ball on soles if your feet. you have to step on it and roll with a foot up and back.
    I really tried everything i can to fix my problems as you may see.
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    Where is it hurting and in what positions? I've had issues and so does my partner so I might be able to help. His is from arthritis and mine has been caused by all sorts of stuff like a car accident, dancing, working out with poor form, and bad body mechanics.

    I'm sorry you're hurting.

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    Sitting up on a bed with no back support during cam work can be stressing. I was involved in a nasty side collision that could have contributed towards my lower back pain. Thing that helps ease tension in my back is hooping for a few hours. (music helps) Try rolling your back against a weighted hoop, if this is difficult you could also using a back roller. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Muscle-Foam-...MAAOSwbYZXejpS I tried this a few times at a friend's house and it did wonders for my back, a lot of the stiffness subsided. If you are looking for herbal ways of treating back pain you could get bath salts, mint, lavender or Golden Alaska fish oil.
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    Not sure about arthritis, but I have a bad back due to scoliosis. Building more muscle, working on my posture, and stretching/yoga has really helped. When I'm too cheap to get a massage, I'll lay down with a tennis ball under my back and work out the areas along the spine/shoulders/lower back/glutes. It works miracles.

    Supplements help with inflammation, so that might be useful with arthritis. Turmeric is anti-inflammatory and glucosamine helps your joints. Healthy fats/omega 3's are also great for joints.

    Also, if you can ice any problem areas right after dancing, it will help cut down the inflammation.

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    Thanks ladies! & yes I agree about the sitting while camming..it's mostly in my lower bk, but also affecting my legs. I think it may be osteoarthritis? I do a lot of walking. I may see that clinic Dr, & I will give the supplements a shot. Also, I do yoga/stretching, I go in a sauna which helps. I notice 'crackling' when I do the stretching.
    I kinda skimmed the replies but I will go over & read more tomorrow.


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    Getting huge implants caused me back pain. I'll probably downsize in the distant future. But on the plus side, it's really motivating me to build up my core and all my muscles through lifting so that I am strong enough to carry the weight

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    If it's affecting your lower back and legs, it could be sciatica. I've worked with clients with sciatica as a massage therapist, so obviously I would recommend massage. Ice packs and ibuprofen will help too.
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    I thought I wrote back to this- sorry! I def, recommend going to a chiropractor for an adjustment. Sometimes it hurts the first time but it is literally the best thing ever. If you have insurance you might be able to get them to cover it- if not it is usually pretty low cost the first time.
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    Thanks^!
    RN, it's feeling a lot better, actually I'm in the midst of moving lol.
    The sauna really helps.


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    I thought this would be about old magazines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whirlerz View Post
    Does anyone dance w/a bad back?
    I never had one before, I believe it's an osteoarthritis issue? I've been going in a sauna, sitting in the sun & of course taking it ez.
    But, I really want to go bk dancing, I had planed to this past week, & I was having to go around w/a cane
    Going to a Dr's prob not an option now, I have racked up some med bills already. Although w/my insur now I could go to a local clinic, for wht/ev good that'll do. I don't want to take pills either, unless absolutley necessary
    I have a few recommendations. Try Glucosamine. Some sell blends of Chondroitin, MSM, etc. Get at least 2000mg. Do yoga. You need to strengthen the back, increase flexibility, and strengthen all the surrounding supportive muscles. Massage is fantastic to help you gradually release tension and regain the mind body connection with that part of the body.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gia2608 View Post
    I thought I wrote back to this- sorry! I def, recommend going to a chiropractor for an adjustment. Sometimes it hurts the first time but it is literally the best thing ever. If you have insurance you might be able to get them to cover it- if not it is usually pretty low cost the first time.
    With all due respect, please read this behind the scenes info from a Chiro: http://edzardernst.com/2013/10/twent...wont-tell-you/

    1. Chiropractic theory and practice are not based on the body of knowledge related to health, disease, and health care that has been widely accepted by the scientific community.

    Most chiropractors believe that spinal problems, which they call “subluxations,” cause ill health and that fixing them by “adjusting” the spine will promote and restore health.


    2. Many chiropractors promise too much.

    The most common forms of treatment administered by chiropractors are spinal manipulation and passive physiotherapy measures such as heat, ultrasound, massage, and electrical muscle stimulation. These modalities can be useful in managing certain problems of muscles and bones, but they have little, if any, use against the vast majority of diseases.


    3. Our education is vastly inferior to that of medical doctors.

    I rarely encountered sick patients in my school clinic. Most of my “patients” were friends, students, and an occasional person who presented to the student clinic for inexpensive chiropractic care. Most had nothing really wrong with them. In order to graduate, chiropractic college students are required to treat a minimum number of people. To reach their number, some resort to paying people (including prostitutes) to visit them at the college’s clinic.2

    Students also encounter a very narrow range of conditions, most related to aches and pains. Real medical education involves contact with thousands of patients with a wide variety of problems, including many severe enough to require hospitalization. Most chiropractic students see patients during two clinical years in chiropractic college. Medical students also average two clinical years, but they see many more patients and nearly all medical doctors have an additional three to five years of specialty training before they enter practice.

    Chiropractic’s minimum educational standards are quite low. In 2007, chiropractic students were required to evaluate and manage only 15 patients in order to graduate. Chiropractic’s accreditation agency ordered this number to increase to 35 by the fall of 2011. However, only 10 of the 35 must be live patients (eight of whom are not students or their family members)! For the remaining cases, students are permitted to “assist, observe, or participate in live, paper-based, computer-based, distance learning, or other reasonable alternative.”3 In contrast, medical students see thousands of patients.

    4. Our legitimate scope is actually very narrow.

    Appropriate chiropractic treatment is relevant only to a narrow range of ailments, nearly all related to musculoskeletal problems. But some chiropractors assert that they can influence the course of nearly everything. Some even offer adjustments to farm animals and family pets.



    5. Very little of what chiropractors do has been studied.

    Although chiropractic has been around since 1895, little of what we do meets the scientific standard through solid research. Chiropractic apologists try to sound scientific to counter their detractors, but very little research actually supports what chiropractors do.



    6. Unless your diagnosis is obvious, it’s best to get diagnosed elsewhere.

    During my work as an independent examiner, I have encountered many patients whose chiropractor missed readily apparent diagnoses and rendered inappropriate treatment for long periods of time. Chiropractors lack the depth of training available to medical doctors. For that reason, except for minor injuries, it is usually better to seek medical diagnosis first.



    7. We offer lots of unnecessary services.

    Many chiropractors, particularly those who find “subluxations” in everyone, routinely advise patients to come for many months, years, and even for their lifetime. Practice-builders teach how to persuade people they need “maintenance care” long after their original problem has resolved. In line with this, many chiropractors offer “discounts” to patients who pay in advance and sign a contract committing them for 50 to 100 treatments. And “chiropractic pediatric specialists” advise periodic examinations and spinal adjustments from early infancy onward. (This has been aptly described as “womb to tomb” care.) Greed is not the only factor involved in overtreatment. Many who advise periodic adjustments are “true believers.” In chiropractic school, one of my classmates actually adjusted his newborn son while the umbilical cord was still attached. Another student had the school radiology department take seven x-rays of his son’s neck to look for “subluxations” presumably acquired during the birth process. The topic of unnecessary care is discussed further in Chapter 8.



    8. “Cracking” of the spine doesn’t mean much.

    Spinal manipulation usually produces a “popping” or “cracking” sound similar to what occurs when you crack your knuckles. Both are due to a phenomenon called cavitation, which occurs when there is a sudden decrease in joint pressure brought on by the manipulation. That allows dissolved gasses in the joint fluid to be released into the joint itself. Chiropractors sometimes state that the noise means that something therapeutic has taken place. However, the noise has no health-related significance and does not indicate that anything has been realigned. It simply means that gas was allowed to escape under less pressure than normal. Knuckles do not “go back into place” when you crack them, and neither do spinal bones.



    9. If the first few visits don’t help you, more treatment probably won’t help.

    I used to tell my patients “three and through.” If we did not see significant objective improvement in three visits, it was time to move on.



    10. We take too many x-rays.

    No test should be done unless it is likely to provide information that will influence clinical management of the patient. X-ray examinations are appropriate when a fracture, tumor, infection, or neurological defect is suspected. But they are not needed for evaluating simple mechanical-type strains, such as back or neck pain that develops after lifting a heavy object.

    The average number of x-rays taken during the first visit by chiropractors whose records I have been asked to review has been about eleven. Those records were sent to me because an insurance company had flagged them for investigation into excessive billing, so this number of x-rays is much higher than average. But many chiropractors take at least a few x-rays of everyone who walks through their door.

    There are two main reasons why chiropractors take more x-rays than are medically necessary. One is easy money. It costs about 35¢ to buy an 8- x 10-inch film, for which they typically charge $40. In chiropractic, the spine encompasses five areas: the neck, mid-back, low-back, pelvic, and sacral regions. That means five separate regions to bill for—typically three to seven views of the neck, two to six for the low back, and two for each of the rest. So eleven x-ray films would net the chiropractor over $400 for just few minutes of work. In many accident cases I have reviewed, the fact that patients had adequate x-ray examinations in a hospital emergency department to rule out fractures did not deter the chiropractor from unnecessarily repeating these exams.

    Chiropractors also use x-ray examinations inappropriately for marketing purposes. Chiropractors who do this point to various things on the films that they interpret as (a) subluxations, (b) not enough spinal curvature, (c) too much spinal curvature, and/or (d) “spinal decay,” all of which supposedly call for long courses of adjustments with periodic x-ray re-checks to supposedly assess progress. In addition to wasting money, unnecessary x-rays entail unnecessary exposure to the risks of ionizing radiation.



    11. Research on spinal manipulation does not reflect what takes place in most chiropractic offices.

    Research studies that look at spinal manipulation are generally done under strict protocols that protect patients from harm. The results reflect what happens when manipulation is done on patients who are appropriately screened—usually by medical teams that exclude people with conditions that would make manipulation dangerous. The results do not reflect what typically happens when patients select chiropractors on their own. The chiropractic marketplace is a mess because most chiropractors ignore research findings and subject their patients to procedures that are unnecessary and/or senseless.



    12. Neck manipulation is potentially dangerous.

    Certain types of chiropractic neck manipulation can damage neck arteries and cause a stroke. Chiropractors claim that the risk is trivial, but they have made no systematic effort to actually measure it. Chapter 9 covers this topic in detail.



    13. Most chiropractors don’t know much about nutrition.

    Chiropractors learn little about clinical nutrition during their schooling. Many offer what they describe as “nutrition counseling.” But this typically consists of superficial advice about eating less fat and various schemes to sell you supplements that are high-priced and unnecessary.



    14. Chiropractors who sell vitamins charge much more than it costs them.

    Chiropractors who sell vitamins typically recommend them unnecessarily and charge two to three times what they pay for them. Some chiropractors center their practice around selling vitamins to patients. Their recommendations are based on hair analysis, live blood analysis, applied kinesiology muscle-testing or other quack tests that will be discussed later in this book. Patients who are victimized this way typically pay several dollars a day and are encouraged to stay on the products indefinitely. In one case I investigated, an Arizona chiropractor advised an 80+-year-old grandma to charge more than $10,000 for vitamins to her credit cards to avoid an impending stroke that he had diagnosed by testing a sample of her pubic hair. No hair test can determine that a stroke is imminent or show that dietary supplements are needed. Doctors who evaluated the woman at the Mayo Clinic found no evidence to support the chiropractor’s assessment.



    15. Chiropractors have no business treating young children.

    The pediatric training chiropractors receive during their schooling is skimpy and based mainly on reading. Students see few children and get little or no experience in diagnosing or following the course of the vast majority of childhood ailments. Moreover, spinal adjustment has no proven effectiveness against childhood diseases. Some adolescents with spinal stiffness might benefit from manipulation, but most will recover without treatment. Chiropractors who claim to practice “chiropractic pediatrics” typically aim to adjust spines from birth onward and are likely to oppose immunization. Some chiropractors claim they can reverse or lessen the spinal curvature of scoliosis, but there is no scientific evidence that spinal manipulation can do this.6



    16. The fact that patients swear by us does not mean we are actually helping them.

    Satisfaction is not the same thing as effectiveness. Many people who believe they have been helped had conditions that would have resolved without treatment. Some have had treatment for dangers that did not exist but were said by the chiropractor to be imminent. Many chiropractors actually take courses on how to trick patients to believe in them. (See Chapter



    17. Insurance companies don’t want to pay for chiropractic care.

    Chiropractors love to brag that their services are covered by Medicare and most insurance companies. However, this coverage has been achieved though political action rather than scientific merit. I have never encountered an insurance company that would reimburse for chiropractic if not forced to do so by state laws. The political pressure to mandate chiropractic coverage comes from chiropractors, of course, but it also comes from the patients whom they have brainwashed.



    18. Lots of chiropractors do really strange things.

    The chiropractic profession seems to attract people who are prone to believe in strange things. One I know of does “aura adjustments” to treat people’s “bruised karma.” Another rents out a large crystal to other chiropractors so they can “recharge” their own (smaller) crystals. Another claims to get advice by “channeling” a 15th Century Scottish physician. Another claimed to “balance a woman’s harmonics” by inserting his thumb into her vagina and his index finger into her anus. Another treated cancer with an orange light that was mounted in a wooden box. Another did rectal exams on all his female patients. Even though such exams are outside the legitimate scope of chiropractic, he also videotaped them so that if his bills for this service were questioned, he could prove that he had actually performed what he billed for.



    19. Don’t expect our licensing boards to protect you.

    Many chiropractors who serve on chiropractic licensing boards harbor the same misbeliefs that are rampant among their colleagues. This means, for example, that most boards are unlikely to discipline chiropractors for diagnosing and treating imaginary “subluxations.”



    20. The media rarely look at what we do wrong.

    The media rarely if ever address chiropractic nonsense. Reporting on chiropractic is complicated because chiropractors vary so much in what they do. (In fact, a very astute observer once wrote that “for every chiropractor, there is an equal and opposite chiropractor.”) Consumer Reports published superb exposés in 1975 and 1994, but no other print outlet has done so in the past 35 years. This lack of information is the main reason I have written this book.
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    Recently, a Playboy Playmate died from something to do w/a chrio


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    I absolutist agree with statement about chiro. I used to have an adjustment every month for the past 3year. While it did help me for a short time. I constantly dislocated my joints. it was also painful sometimes. I used to have constantly a lower back pain, sometimes also in my heels, and nerve in my leg.
    Currently I suggest craniosacral therapy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ida_Rolf .
    it did help me, it was not painful,relaxation was better then after massage.
    I heard alot of horror stories about lidokoin and how addictive it is from ppl with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehlers...anlos_syndrome
    what helped me a couple of times is cod liver oil.
    i also wanted to try crio therapy it is not that expensive at all.
    About stretching and yoga you may get too flexible and not enough strong which is also not good.

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    Everyone talks about how well paid and easy being a chiropractor is. When I was doing the pre-reqs for nursing, there were several people in them wanting to become chiropractors. While they're necessary for extreme cases (severe car accidents, etc), I honestly have always been sketched out by chiropractors and have assumed they do more damage than good for most people since the body is often capable of self-healing. IMO, the better investment would be in a high quality personal trainer who could help you build up your core to support your back. Or better yet, purchase your own books, study hard, and learn yourself. It's always good to have someone experienced double check your form though.

    Also it freaks me out when children go to chiropractors. You're still growing!

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    I have scoliosis but hate taking pills for back pain from work... I use Salonpas Japanese menthol and camphor medicated heating patches for joint and muscle strain. Absolutely awesome- first topical painkiller for muscle pain approved by the Fda only one year ago. It works and it doednt pass through your liver. I also put them on my feet. 7$/ 40 patches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanessa_mtl View Post
    I have scoliosis but hate taking pills for back pain from work... I use Salonpas Japanese menthol and camphor medicated heating patches for joint and muscle strain. Absolutely awesome- first topical painkiller for muscle pain approved by the Fda only one year ago. It works and it doednt pass through your liver. I also put them on my feet. 7$/ 40 patches.
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    At the Canadian version of Duane Reed/CVS... They should be widely available near the icy hot...

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    Also have you tried hydrotherapy? It's taking the sauna to the next level. I try to do it twice a month for 3hours. If there is a Korean community in your area (or Russian or Turkish or French or Jewish) there will be a spa that is affordable and can accomodate the basic circuit which will do wonders for your joints and muscles as we as your skin..... This is the basic premise....

    Hot tub w/ whirlpool -
    Cold shower rinse
    Rest
    Steamroom
    Cool rinse
    Rest
    Sauna
    Cold rinse
    Rest

    This is an ancient and amazing practice and if you're lucky you'll meet someone who'll offer to slap you with birch twigs to really get the blood flowing to those sore spots.

    Also after doing this circuit a few times you'll have the best exfiation of your life I always bring my loofah to the spa.

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    I know some people don't like chiropractors but i went briefly and have never had the pain since. I don't think it's for everybody but in some cases you get better and most importantly learn stuff that will help you later on.

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    I just wanted to post this tho, really sad..

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainme...LdJ?li=BBnbfcL


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    Quote Originally Posted by vanessa_mtl View Post
    At the Canadian version of Duane Reed/CVS... They should be widely available near the icy hot...
    I'm in the US, but thanks
    About to take an lavendar Epsom salts bath.


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    Quote Originally Posted by whirlerz View Post
    I'm in the US, but thanks
    About to take an lavendar Epsom salts bath.
    It's available in the USA I checked before posting

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