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    Hey ladies,

    So im sure you have already seen the news today that Uber has to now class its drivers as emplyees rather then them being self employed. Having had a good think on this and the reason why the court ruled in the drivers favour could potentailly mean a shake up for us too on some of the platforms that we sell content on. The court ruled in the drivers favour due to the amount of control it has over its drivers. This could be argued the same with camming platforms as they:

    Determine how much they are to take from us in % of earnings
    They collect the money then pay us (under hmrc rules those who are self employed are to collect earnings then pay the rent on space both physically and virtually)
    We are to completely do our own marketing (again all the big sites do their own marketing to drive traffic to us and even in some of the agreements use us to promote themselves whether we like it or not!)
    They control what content we can or cannot use on our profiles such as putting up social media info or images only being allowed to be on this particular site.
    They determine the breaks that can be taken between each private/exclusive show.
    They determine if we have to do free chat and on some sites what your rate of pay is for x amount of time if your a new model.
    They determine the payment methods we can use to get our money and in cases such as paxum or payoneer we have to cover the cost of then accessing our money. If we are to request direct wire for example they put a minimum amount we have to earn and charge us for this- this could deffinately be deemed unlawful as its our earnings not the sites!
    They determine when we get paid and if we want to get paid daily we have to go through another agent and have the cost deducted from our earnings
    We could work hours on these sites and not earn anything thus given all of the above that we are then not earning minimum wage.

    Might have to take this up with HMRC on this as they may then want to go after the big box sites, international or not, as it can be deemed as exploitation of workers, self employed status or not!

    Thoughts on this ladies or am i just thinking way out the box here?
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    We really are self employed. They don't set the hours we work and they don't stipulate that we work only for them.
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    I don't think you're out of the box - I've been thinking about it too. I'm reading the ruling now and trying to gather my thoughts.

    For anyone else interested, it's here:

    https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-cont...s-20161028.pdf

    I think the worker/freelancer thing is meant to be decided on a case by case basis, which means somebody would have to bring a suit against a site first. Sites that have more restrictions and rules for performers are likely to be more vulnerable. Then it's a question of, how many UK performers does the site have, how pissed off are they, and how keen are they to take up a lawsuit.

    Down the line there may well be more legislation or precedent-establishing cases.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Classy_Katy View Post
    We really are self employed. They don't set the hours we work and they don't stipulate that we work only for them.
    The tribunal has decided that the drivers are "workers" for Uber whenever they're logged into the app and are at the territory where they're allowed to work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DancesWithSloths View Post
    The tribunal has decided that the drivers are employed by Uber whenever they're logged into the app.
    And the drivers get to choose when they work and how long for. We may not even need to bring a lawsuit against a site, all we would need is HMRC to determine our employment status then we set up under that and HMRC can go after the camming platforms for the required paperwork etc.
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    I wouldn't get too excited yet. This could also have serious consequences for a lot of cammodels. If websites are suddenly forced to pay bennies and pay an hourly wage, they'd cut back to just the most profitable models as well as cut way down on percentage paid as a bonus.

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    Oh, anyone remember the boy genius from MyFetishDEAD talking it up about how the models are his employees? This case is *exactly* why I was trying to tell him to watch what came out of his megalomaniac mouth. Unless you want to be liable for employee benefits, be bloody careful how you talk about your performers, cam site people.

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    ETA I agree with Katy B, there is nothing uncomplicatedly amazeballs about this.
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    Personally, I'd be more concerned if the majority of sites I work were uk based....? Perhaps I am being naive but I don't know precisely what the gov. CAN do unless the industry becomes more mainstream and begins to be actually regulated (heaven forbid). I do see that you say 'some of the platforms' though. They could do that but frankly, what with the more right wing bent that brexit has indicated, I believe that mps would be reluctant to be seen to be tacitly approving of the sex industry in any vaguely plausible sense - which they would risk doing if they were to talk about different regulations, as opposed to the regular rabid 'the sex industry is 100% evil, nobody enters it of their own free accord, save the ho's (by making their lives harder and more dangerous) bullshit. But what do I know, I'm pretty new to this....

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