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    That's because it isn't the skin color that is discriminated against, it's the African American race .


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    Quote Originally Posted by NakedNicole View Post
    Yea, don't think I'm being racist... i swear, you can't state any opinion that differes from a black persons without being automatically called a racist lol. Just trying to let you know the other factors that cross managements mind perhaps. Not saying it's necessarily fair or right, but I'm not the one hiring or not hiring. I'm just expressing WHY management might make the choices they do. Don't shoot the messenger.

    Alot of people believe it's skin color alone that people are discriminating against. I don't think it's necessarily true and I'll tell you why. There are Indian people who are of the same if not darker skin tone than African Americans, however Indians although similar in skin tone, dont seem to be experiencing the same alleged racism as as African Americans. If it's darker skin alone that is the issue, I would think that other darker completed races would be expressing that they are encountering the same issues.
    Yes they are. You just aren't paying as much attention to them or have chosen to overlook their plight and focus on African Americans. Thats just simply not true at all. But right now we're talking about Black Women in clubs. The conversation can evolve of course but let's at least aknowledge the injustice before we shift the topic to another group. Again mininmizing. Here you are in a thread created by a Black Woman speaking on her experiences backed up by experience from other black dancers AND non-black dancers but still you choose minimize everything that everyone else has said.

    " i swear, you can't state any opinion that differes from a black persons without being automatically called a racist lol."

    Black people are not all the same and have various points of view. Again in this very thread you've had testimonies from other black dancers that said they weren't into trap/rap music and had alternative looks. We have to use classifications like Alternative because of people who feel the need to control the way we see ourselves and put everyone in a box. So there it is. If you want consoling and understanding maybe you should think about that before you enter a thread where people are voicing their experiences. Don't try to manage another persons feelings and point of view or try to convince them that the very real experiences that they've had are somehow unreasonable. Its not every black person. You just asserted yourself into conversation that perhaps you should have held out on until you were fully capable of actually listening and understanding, instead of telling people to not call it out for what it is RACISM


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    Quote Originally Posted by NakedNicole View Post
    Yea, don't think I'm being racist... i swear, you can't state any opinion that differes from a black persons without being automatically called a racist lol. Just trying to let you know the other factors that cross managements mind perhaps. Not saying it's necessarily fair or right, but I'm not the one hiring or not hiring. I'm just expressing WHY management might make the choices they do. Don't shoot the messenger.

    Alot of people believe it's skin color alone that people are discriminating against. I don't think it's necessarily true and I'll tell you why. There are Indian people who are of the same if not darker skin tone than African Americans, however Indians although similar in skin tone, dont seem to be experiencing the same alleged racism as as African Americans. If it's darker skin alone that is the issue, I would think that other darker completed races would be expressing that they are encountering the same issues.
    The more you talk, the more you dig yourself into a hole because you're just creating fancy ways to explain away racism. I'm sure this is how you and people you know feel personally, but that doesn't mean it's right or that it makes sense.

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    NakedNicole, I am going to point out the things you wrote that were extremely racist. I feel like you did not intend to be; and I don't know you personally but have read enough of your posts on this site that I don't think you're a shitty person or had the intention of flaming anyone.

    The percentage thing, that was based on a census at least 7 years old- but more likely 17 years old and then suggested that managers should be hiring based on these ratios is pretty fucked up. Managers should be hiring dancers that are the best fit for their club period. REGARDLESS of the color of their skin. If it is an upscale club, they should hire girls with an upscale look. If it is an urban club they should hire girls who have a thicker body type and can booty-pop, twerk and do pole tricks.

    Assuming Black Girls are going to dance to trap music. Offensive to black girls and people who like trap music and are not black. I personally listen to mostly hip-hop (like the kind that is actual music and mostly 10+ years old), and rap but would never dance to this. Why? Because I generally work at mid-higher tier club and am trying to attract a certain type of customer; therefor if I have to go on stage I dance to rock or pop or even EDM. There are black and hispanic people who like rap and hip-hop; yes but also rock, R and B, country, EDM, Pop, Trance, Jazz, and many other genres. Generally, a club trying to have an upscale vibe will not play trap or booty music anyway.

    Black dancers = black customers. Most of the black dancers I have worked with in upscale clubs have had mainly white (esp. Jewish) regulars. Again, this has to do with the type of club- a professional; suit and tie wearing customer is not likely to frequent the same club as a guy with baggy pants, gold teeth and timberlands regardless if they are black, white, asian or polka-dotted.

    Lastly, your comment about I guess what you meant was darker complexion? No, the issue is not about how dark anyone is. I know black people that are lighter than me and they experience racism just as much as my friend from Ghana who is so dark his skin shines purple in the sun- what does that have to do with anything? No one should be experiencing racism in 2016 USA- however it seems things are only getting worse.

    This thread is about black women having a hard time getting hired at mainstream and mixed clubs, and how unfair and out of place in today's society this is. Not whether they should stick to urban clubs or why managers have this archaic ideology.
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    Sorry but what you are saying is false about Indians and racism. Most people of color including Indians have experience racism in America and many western countries.Many Indian-Americans have told me that they have experience racism. In fact, I had to retire my Indian phone sex character because men where actively racist against her. Trust me, men called my Indian phone sex character the same slurs that they call black women. Also, many Indian-Americans ( mostly Punjabi Skiks) have been victims of hate crimes around the country. It is not because of their religion but it is also because they're are not white. So, you can not say that black people are the only dark skin people to complain about discrimination.

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    Yea, don't think I'm being racist... i swear, you can't state any opinion that differes from a black persons without being automatically called a racist lol. Just trying to let you know the other factors that cross managements mind perhaps. Not saying it's necessarily fair or right, but I'm not the one hiring or not hiring. I'm just expressing WHY management might make the choices they do. Don't shoot the messenger.

    Alot of people believe it's skin color alone that people are discriminating against. I don't think it's necessarily true and I'll tell you why. There are Indian people who are of the same if not darker skin tone than African Americans, however Indians although similar in skin tone, dont seem to be experiencing the same alleged racism as as African Americans. If it's darker skin alone that is the issue, I would think that other darker completed races would be expressing that they are encountering the same issues.

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    It's bullshit how we are subjected to discrimination like this as independent contractors. You would think that morally the principles of the EEOC could transcend into rights for independent contractors... but legally they don't. And it's awful. There should seriously be something done about this. And a club shouldn't assume how a girl works, or how well she will do just because of her race/ethnicity.

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    It's like that all across the board in the adult industry for black entertainers.It's a sad truth, but we're still in demand just have to search for the right spots.It's an unequal playing field but it's still plenty $$$ to be made.
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    I recently started back at a club I worked at about 2-3 years ago. When I first auditioned the club had been opened about 10 years & never had a black dancer. (I didn't know this until after I was hired)


    fast forward to now,recently there were 2 black girls who wanted to audition. There were also 2 white Girls to audition. The 2 black girls were drop dead gorgeous! I mean from a scale 1-10,they were like a 15. The white girls were about a 5 combined. One of the mgrs comes in the dressing room and straight up says,"I'm not hiring anymore black girls." She let them audition and the other 2,and guess who was hired? It just sucks seeing that bc the black girls were really good far as looks and dancing. Hell one of the white Girls can't even walk in the kitten heels she had on. I tried to talk for them to get hired,but she said no bc that would be too many. -_- There's 5 black girls and about 30 white Girls.


    Idk. I just feel so pissed about this because I've been turned down before bc of my skin tone. It's almost 2017 and people are STILL discriminating against us. And it's not like our clientele doesn't like black women,I've sat with customers & they always ask "where the sisters at?" Lol. Crazy.


    Any typos,I'm on my phone...my bad. Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by We had a rabbit like you View Post
    I recommended a black girl I met on here audition at my old club and the manager burst in to the DR to say how dare I recommend an n word come to his club and when I asked what she looked like (I couldn't believe it was just her race he objected to) he went "idk...BLACK" I was so shocked and embarrassed.
    Even at the urban club I danced at (yup, skinny white girl got accepted real quick to an urban club) I remember them saying "wow he usually doesn't hire TWO black girls the same day" when other girls got hired. It just is. I'm white and even I can see it after spending any time at all in this Industry
    Omfg the ignorance of this shithead manager is astounding lol like really? That was some super bullshit lol I can't.I'm laughing but it's really fucked up out here for black women.

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    I'm really happy that I've worked outside of America. Normally the clubs I work at are begging for black girls
    Literally "we need black girls customers are asking"
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    My apologies to those who somehow twisted and misinterpreted my point. Yes, I realized this thread was intended to be where everyone could boo hoo about how unfair life is. Yes, I agree it's unfair, I was just stating what other factors could cross managements mind. I can explain why things are how they are without agreeing with them. I never spoke about all black dancers as a whole, I said "in general". People make decisions by generalities. I've worked at several clubs and from my personal experience, in GENERAL (this means most of the time but not always) black dancers I have worked with request rap. Ofcourse every other race could request rap obviously. But people play the odds of something being MOST likely to occure when making a decision.

    It's like everyone on here wants to play Devils advocate to the point it becomes so silly. One person was talking about how what I said implied that urban clubs couldn't be classy/upscale.

    Well, could a classy urban club exist? Sure. Have I seen it? No. If I go on youtube and look up " black stripclubs" I will likely find videos of lots of twerking, money being thrown, rappers, customers with their underwear showing etc. If there's an urban club out there that isn't as I described and is Infact classy with a dress code of no baggy pants, no hats etc where black customers abide by this rule, please someone link the video for it.

    Ladies, I would like your opinion on what defines an Urban club as an Urban club and what defines a mainstream club as a mainstream club?

    What is the ratio in your opinion that a club goes from a standard club to crossing the line into an urban club? I'm legitimately interested in hearing thoughts on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NakedNicole View Post
    My apologies to those who somehow twisted and misinterpreted my point. Yes, I realized this thread was intended to be where everyone could boo hoo about how unfair life is. Yes, I agree it's unfair, I was just stating what other factors could cross managements mind. I can explain why things are how they are without agreeing with them. I never spoke about all black dancers as a whole, I said "in general". People make decisions by generalities. I've worked at several clubs and from my personal experience, in GENERAL (this means most of the time but not always) black dancers I have worked with request rap. Ofcourse every other race could request rap obviously. But people play the odds of something being MOST likely to occure when making a decision.

    It's like everyone on here wants to play Devils advocate to the point it becomes so silly. One person was talking about how what I said implied that urban clubs couldn't be classy/upscale.

    Well, could a classy urban club exist? Sure. Have I seen it? No. If I go on youtube and look up " black stripclubs" I will likely find videos of lots of twerking, money being thrown, rappers, customers with their underwear showing etc. If there's an urban club out there that isn't as I described and is Infact classy with a dress code of no baggy pants, no hats etc where black customers abide by this rule, please someone link the video for it.

    Ladies, I would like your opinion on what defines an Urban club as an Urban club and what defines a mainstream club as a mainstream club?

    What is the ratio in your opinion that a club goes from a standard club to crossing the line into an urban club? I'm legitimately interested in hearing thoughts on that.
    I think you need to exit the thread. Really because this right here only cements your true intentions. You have no desire to try to understand or empathize with any of the experiences shared here. So please move along and allow people share without being condescended.

    "Yes, I realized this thread was intended to be where everyone could boo hoo about how unfair life is."


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    I'm seriously trying to figure out if she's serious or not?

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    thats such a stereotype. I don't request ANY type of music. I always say I will dance to anything except country and show tunes. Play me rock, play top 40, play dubstep, idc. I can dance to everything cuz i like everything.

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    Haha and referencing that post goes to show how people can seriously totally miss a point. I stopped even reading the responses on that one.

    I find psychologically interesting. I'm simply explaing the subconcious psychology of our perceptions of things in general that are black/dark. I'm not comparing women to dogs. I'm simply explaining that people in general are conditioned to have an automatic preference to lighter things. They even did a study with black children that were shown pictures of black people and white people. Even 5 year old black children have been conditioned to believe that the white ones were smarter, good, nice etc. Seriously let's all stop twisting things to fit the narrative that every goddamn person is racist.

    Referencing a study done on adoption rates in pet shelters does not mean I'm calling women dogs. It was a comparison of how even people's perception of darker animals is subconsciously less favorable. I'm letting people know that it's not conscious racism but an inherent prejudice of things that are darker. I said I've seen black girls bank, but it's because they were doing the things I described inorder to combat that inherent prejudice. Do you think I'm pulling those suggestions I've made out of my ass? No they were actual tactics from black dancers I know who banked.

    Does it suck that black dancers have to try harder to shine through this prejudice, yes. Am I an asshole for explaining the psychology of this phenomenon? No. Am I an asshole for pointing out things black coworkers have done to break through the prejudice? No. I'm giving tips on what has worked for them.

    I'm never putting in my two cents on any thread involving race again because apparently psychology study findings and logic is a trigger for alot of ladies on here.

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    Bye Nicole

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    Quote Originally Posted by NakedNicole View Post

    I'm never putting in my two cents on any thread involving race again because apparently psychology study findings and logic is a trigger for alot of ladies on here.
    No ignorance is the trigger & the tendency to downplay racism and others experiences/struggles regarding it.You've been called out & even delicately explained to by the ladies that aren't even black/brown & everything is still going over your damn head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NakedNicole View Post
    I'm never putting in my two cents on any thread involving race again because apparently psychology study findings and logic is a trigger for alot of ladies on here.
    Then please exit the thread. You've made your point and explained what you wanted to say. At this point, people have made it clear that that's not what they are talking about in this thread and you're just repeating yourself without any different results. Let's let everyone get back on topic. I'd prefer this didn't turn into an off-topic flame war where I have to issue points.
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    I think strip clubs in the states might be so racist partly because of the legacy of Jim Crow, slavery, and the prison industrial complex (mandatory minimum sentencing). What Nicole was saying about urban clubs only hiring black girls and upscale clubs only hiring upscale girls sounds like a fantasy of segregation. I am a white stripper who has always stripped with a partner, for a while my friend who is korean and for a while my friend who is carribean. Both were beautiful, slim, classy, confident and talented. I've seen both encounter racism in hiring, from management, from customers, from other strippers. Ive heard clubs admit to having quotas, that was years ago, but still. In Canada we don't have this distinction between urban clubs and upscale clubs. We have gentlemans clubs (you pay to be seated, there's a washroom attendant, there's champagne rooms, and we have strip clubs which are friendlier, more bare bones neighbourhood places. There are white women and woc's in both. When I was 21 and worked at my first gentlemans club, there was a sign posted that said "No hip hop it scares our customers, with the exception of such classics as Hey Papi by Jay-z and The Thong Song by Sisquo. This rule was not really enforced then and now thèse all the gentleman's clubs I've worked at in Canada play hip hop and R and B. Is it because the owners suddenly stopped being racist? no! Its because Drake is canadian and the top selling artist in the world. The clubs have realized no one is scared of rap anymore. The only club I know of in Mtl that still has a quota for black girls is dead and is owned by bikers who are notoriously racist. The other clubs have come to understand that the new generation of businessmen is Arab, Latino, Asian, White, black and everything else. If the customers are diverse why shouldn't the girls be? White men are not the only people who have money- maybe the reason these "upscale"'clubs are so dead in the states is because their business model is becoming irrelevant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanessa_mtl View Post
    I think strip clubs in the states might be so racist partly because of the legacy of Jim Crow, slavery, and the prison industrial complex (mandatory minimum sentencing). What Nicole was saying about urban clubs only hiring black girls and upscale clubs only hiring upscale girls sounds like a fantasy of segregation. I am a white stripper who has always stripped with a partner, for a while my friend who is korean and for a while my friend who is carribean. Both were beautiful, slim, classy, confident and talented. I've seen both encounter racism in hiring, from management, from customers, from other strippers. Ive heard clubs admit to having quotas, that was years ago, but still. In Canada we don't have this distinction between urban clubs and upscale clubs. We have gentlemans clubs (you pay to be seated, there's a washroom attendant, there's champagne rooms, and we have strip clubs which are friendlier, more bare bones neighbourhood places. There are white women and woc's in both. When I was 21 and worked at my first gentlemans club, there was a sign posted that said "No hip hop it scares our customers, with the exception of such classics as Hey Papi by Jay-z and The Thong Song by Sisquo. This rule was not really enforced then and now thèse all the gentleman's clubs I've worked at in Canada play hip hop and R and B. Is it because the owners suddenly stopped being racist? no! Its because Drake is canadian and the top selling artist in the world. The clubs have realized no one is scared of rap anymore. The only club I know of in Mtl that still has a quota for black girls is dead and is owned by bikers who are notoriously racist. The other clubs have come to understand that the new generation of businessmen is Arab, Latino, Asian, White, black and everything else. If the customers are diverse why shouldn't the girls be? White men are not the only people who have money- maybe the reason these "upscale"'clubs are so dead in the states is because their business model is becoming irrelevant?
    Also want to ad that not every customer likes girls in their own race.

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    I'll will gladly exist this thread after this final closing thought.

    For the sake of argument, I wish to play Devils advocate this time for a second. New thought,

    What if the manager OP was talking about wasn't racist at all but quite the contrary? OP said there were 5 other black dancers who worked there i believe. So if a manager already sympathized with the fact that black dancers already have a harder time in the club etc, maybe out of respect for the original black dancers, he didn't want to add any more hot black dancers who would compete with the original girls niche market.

    If I was one of the few white girls at a black club I would be pissed if they started hiring other white girls because now there are more white girls to choose from if someone is seeking a white girl out specifically. Now I have a bunch more white girls to compete with and they are flooding my market that before I had the monopoly of. If a customer specifically is attracted to black women, wouldnt be in the black woman's best interest to be one of only 5 black women at the club instead of being one of let's say, 15 ?

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    Ladies please don't feed into this.

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    Wtf? Smh.

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