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    The careful identity building comment was recent and not hard to find at all. I imagine that members of this community found the OP's most recent post on that site due to it being a current topic. From there its just a matter of reading ones post history.

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    My identity building comment was made only after others somehow located every inflammatory post I ever made on that site, spanning back over several years. The threads are not indexed and listed they way they are on this site, so one would have had to go back through thousands of my posts in order to find each one of them and to isolate them. Is it possible? Certainly, but it is unlikely and even less so at the speed in which they were found and then pasted here. It is far more likely that certain posters already knew that they existed and, hence, how to find them quickly.

    Anyway, again, the troll issue is secondary. I raised it in response to DJs post primarily because if you seek truly effective isolation of Ladies Only topics, like Hustle hut, you may want to consider taking a more careful look at how to limit troll activity. It is common knowledge over on the other site that some of the males have been having fun exploring their feminine sides on here. But at the end of the day, you and the other Mods are more than capable of making your own determination of the potential issues and acting accordingly.

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    Its always awesome when a person can "truly" reflect on their actions and apologize. That would have been admirable. But for me it becomes disingenuous when they go on to point fingers and somehow paints them self as a victim. And yes the mods are aware of what the issue is here and none of us are in need of having our perceptions managed. We got this.

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    Yet again, I own what I've said and done over the years. Victim spinning is not my gig. I'll let others be the judge of how egregious my activities have been, but frankly I had not looked at them as a whole as being that bad or else I would have stopped posting with the same screen name on both sites a long time ago. That was at least until I had 3 girls crying in two weeks, which made me start to question a lot. Hence here we are, in a thread that in hindsight should never have been born.

    As far as my "identity building" comment on the other site, that was among a few posts that I placed on the other site as a warning shot to the trolls who were having fun over here as well. Nothing more.

    Finally, as far as "perception management" is concerned, that is also not my gig. I've shared my views on some of the issues occurring in this thread while at the same time also acknowledging the real anger that I am sure that this thread caused for the adult entertainers who read through this entire train wreck. By extension, those issues also bring other considerations to light. What you do with it is obviously up to you. As you've said, "you've got this."

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    I read about 5 pages of the current 10 but, to be honest, got bored.

    I am probably the antithesis of you in many ways. My only comment is that if YOU feel that there might be something wrong, whether it's lack of compassion or whatever, there may well be.
    No matter how you look at it, predatory or coincidence, you had three OTC experiences that hinged on money for others, such as presents for kids. Is it possible that you felt that you *should* have felt compassion for that and it bothers you that you didn't? Personally I don't think any sane mind can compartmentalize experiences to the point where there is absolutely no carry over. I would examine what I was doing in my RL and see if I am treating anyone similar.

    As to your last question, personally as I mentioned I firmly believe that it will cause some changes or bring out some.

    I'm more of the type that if I know the person well enough to know if they really need the money for things like kids I would be inclined to give it to them. I've never been a fan of OTC or escort for the reasons cited.

    None of this is per se criticism of what you do. I've read your posts and you've always seemed level headed. This may be nothing but it is a chance to reexamine some things.
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    Strippers are strippers.
    If you want sex, go to an escort. If she gives you lousy service or cries then you don't have to feel bad, maybe that shouldn't be her profession.
    You say you're a reg at the club. You've known these girls. They've spent time with you, shared real stuff about their lives (trusted you), even slept with you otc when they don't usually do that. So maybe they're upset that you don't even pretend to care about them?
    Most people tip their secretaries, housekeepers, nannies etc. at Christmas. These strippers provide you with a regular service you want and need : their attention and, yes, love. When you don't reciprocate, it can be upsetting, especially if the girl thinks that you like her for her - it works both ways

    It doesn't sound like these girls are big hustlers, but reminding you at Christmas that they have kids to make happy on Christmas morning is quite normal if you're a reg. They shouldn't have to remind you. You probably know her kids' names - or fake ones - so why not "here's $ for X and $ for Y, I hope you have a lovely Christmas."
    Men have no class these days.
    Even worse is when guys say - Well, I know you've got bills so...I've got $1000 if you'll come to a hotel with me... Oh great. You have money for me if I open my legs to you for 10 minutes, but nothing if I only want to dance for you for hours?
    GO TO AN ESCORT.
    I think it's the fact that you keep coming to the club and so blatantly don't care about them that's making them cry.
    You can't play the "caring reg" to get extra attention (and otc extras) without giving a bit extra yourself.
    Those strippers are using that money to live - food, housing, needs, etc. - you giving them money helps them to live, you denying them money kinda equates to you wanting them to starve...unless they do something they clearly aren't mentally geared up for and that they obviously don't do for that reason...it's not nice.
    Escorts make more money. If the girl could mentally handle being an escort then she would do that instead of, or as well as, stripping. If these girls make a special exception for otc sex with you then you should respect that they probably feel sex is more intimate and special than you do. Go to an escort if you want zero feelings and zero responsibility sex.
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    ^there are plenty of dancers totally comfortable with otc , I think the was that these girls were not and were only doing it out of desperation. I certainly don't give any customer my "love" (ew ew ew) and don't want any in return..just basic respect and professionalism is all that's required
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    That's your opinion.
    Depends on how you define "love" and what kind of stripper/person you are.
    Tbh, I find otc with any customer to be ew ew ew...but that's just me.
    Lots of strippers aren't comfortable with otc (esp with non reg randoms) and fyi if you're having sex with a customer otc you're not technically being a dancer at that point in time - you are being an escort and there are plenty of girls who work as strippers in the SC because, obviously, they don't want to be escorts.
    To each their own...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaGirlq View Post
    That's your opinion.
    Depends on how you define "love" and what kind of stripper/person you are.
    Tbh, I find otc with any customer to be ew ew ew...but that's just me.
    Lots of strippers aren't comfortable with otc (esp with non reg randoms) and fyi if you're having sex with a customer otc you're not technically being a dancer at that point in time - you are being an escort and there are plenty of girls who work as strippers in the SC because, obviously, they don't want to be escorts.
    To each their own...
    Sex and love just don't belong in a professional setting /in the strip club. As far as otc goes, keyword is that it's OUTSIDE the club, so I don't judge if a girl wants to on her own time. But she needs to be 100% comfortable and confident.
    I also don't think it's ok to expect customers to just hand us money cause Xmas is coming up, cause I sure as shit ain't giving them anything for free either..regardless of the time of year. We provide a service and get paid for a service like any other business. I just don't think it's fair to paint these girls like they are crying cause they have all these feeling of love and connection to Ricky boy and sleep w him cause they caught feelings or some shit, they were pressured into it for the money and didn't like how it made them feel about themselves.
    Whatever, way off topic I suppose so I'm done for now haha
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    This was a question about a very specific situation, not about you and your ilk.
    These girls were giving him time and affection for free bc he's a reg, which he gladly takes, and he was giving nothing back.
    It is like any other profession, and we should be treated the same way - i.e. tips to show gratitude to your favourite dancer at Christmas would be normal.
    Heck, people used to tip the postman at Christmas!
    Our job can often involve caring for people, esp regs...unless you're totally heartless, of course.
    So yeah whatever, bye!

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    WOW never said anything about myself, and no idea what my "ilk" would be as I've shared nothing personal OR personally attacked you or said anything rude. I wasn't defending him either, so not sure where this hostility comes from but yeah!
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    Frankly, this is wrong advice for Rick and anyone else looking for OTC. Also, strippers who do OTC need to watch out for men who they are not ready for. First, most strippers and sex workers are not looking for love and romance at work. So, these chicks were not crying because they fell in love with Rick. Rick has an icy and Machiavellian demeanor. Most strippers are not used to that type of demeanor and it effected them emotionally. Secondly, going to an escort will not solve Rick's problem and could make it worse. He needs a icy princess or black widow hustle stripper because they will be equally match.Third, none of these chicks were looking for love with Rick. They were newbies to the OTC scene and his demeanor was affecting them.I mean that is just absurd to keep talking about love and romance in the club. Stop talking like the strip club is some sort Jane Austin novel. It is not


    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaGirlq View Post
    Strippers are strippers.
    If you want sex, go to an escort. If she gives you lousy service or cries then you don't have to feel bad, maybe that shouldn't be her profession.
    You say you're a reg at the club. You've known these girls. They've spent time with you, shared real stuff about their lives (trusted you), even slept with you otc when they don't usually do that. So maybe they're upset that you don't even pretend to care about them?
    Most people tip their secretaries, housekeepers, nannies etc. at Christmas. These strippers provide you with a regular service you want and need : their attention and, yes, love. When you don't reciprocate, it can be upsetting, especially if the girl thinks that you like her for her - it works both ways

    It doesn't sound like these girls are big hustlers, but reminding you at Christmas that they have kids to make happy on Christmas morning is quite normal if you're a reg. They shouldn't have to remind you. You probably know her kids' names - or fake ones - so why not "here's $ for X and $ for Y, I hope you have a lovely Christmas."
    Men have no class these days.
    Even worse is when guys say - Well, I know you've got bills so...I've got $1000 if you'll come to a hotel with me... Oh great. You have money for me if I open my legs to you for 10 minutes, but nothing if I only want to dance for you for hours?
    GO TO AN ESCORT.
    I think it's the fact that you keep coming to the club and so blatantly don't care about them that's making them cry.
    You can't play the "caring reg" to get extra attention (and otc extras) without giving a bit extra yourself.
    Those strippers are using that money to live - food, housing, needs, etc. - you giving them money helps them to live, you denying them money kinda equates to you wanting them to starve...unless they do something they clearly aren't mentally geared up for and that they obviously don't do for that reason...it's not nice.
    Escorts make more money. If the girl could mentally handle being an escort then she would do that instead of, or as well as, stripping. If these girls make a special exception for otc sex with you then you should respect that they probably feel sex is more intimate and special than you do. Go to an escort if you want zero feelings and zero responsibility sex.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DonaDiabla View Post
    Frankly, this is wrong advice for Rick and anyone else looking for OTC. Also, strippers who do OTC need to watch out for men who they are not ready for. First, most strippers and sex workers are not looking for love and romance at work. So, these chicks were not crying because they fell in love with Rick. Rick has an icy and Machiavellian demeanor. Most strippers are not used to that type of demeanor and it effected them emotionally. Secondly, going to an escort will not solve Rick's problem and could make it worse. He needs a icy princess or black widow hustle stripper because they will be equally match.Third, none of these chicks were looking for love with Rick. They were newbies to the OTC scene and his demeanor was affecting them.I mean that is just absurd to keep talking about love and romance in the club. Stop talking like the strip club is some sort Jane Austin novel. It is not
    Wrong.
    Strippers aren't looking for love, no, I didn't even say that, but most customers are looking for caring and affection.
    Getting naked for a guy regularly who pretends to care about you can lead some girls to be attached - not in love - but attached. Like a housekeeper to the family she cares for, for example. Being treated unkindly by someone who you've treated really well will make nice people upset.
    Strippers are people. If you become a reg and deliberately build a friendship, then feelings will get hurt if you don't hold up your side of the friendship.

    They're not crying because they fell in love with him, they're crying because, as he says himself, he "looks for soft targets" and he "pretends to care".
    That's HIS hustle and it is wrong.
    We all know these sweet-natured girls that guys like Rick take advantage of.
    EXACTLY - if he wants to deal man to man with a seasoned stripper/escort he could choose an "icy princess". He CHOOSES the vulnerable ones bc that's what turns him on - until his behaviour makes them cry, apparently. Some sicko guys actually really like just that - maybe Rick does and wants to generally upset more people like me with his post.

    I never said anything about love and romance - there are many kinds of love and don't try to tell me customers come in just to grind some cold bitch's pussy and then pick out an escort to take home because if that were true strip clubs wouldn't exist any more, and the number of girls "confusing" stripping with being a walking advert for otc is ruining the business, but i digress...
    I've been doing this long enough to know that men come in for AFFECTION and ATTENTION (ie regs expect you to remember stuff about them bc they want to think you care) and if you haven't worked that out then you're probably not sitting on the kinda money I am

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    Well we have certainly seen the guys pretending to be females and female dancers over the years.

    I still think HH should be ladies only though.
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    There is no love in this industry period. Most of these customers do not love nor care for us. We are nothing more than entertainment or jack off material.Sex work is fun and light-hearted. This is not about being Pollyanna and thinking that customers are just looking for affection. You can be good-natured and still not get played by customers. Rick is a good example of wolf. BTW, this black-hearted yet fun-loving bitch always meets her financial goals and I have been doing this for over a decade. I do not have to become friends with my customers to get paid and have regular customers who are enchanted by me. Also, maybe you need to stop giving your emotions to your customers? You sound bitter and hostile behind it. In fact, sex workers like yourself with that Pollyanna yet bitter attitude is also ruining this business as well.So, you can take that bleeding heart crap elsewhere and try not to get played in 21st century by "nice guy" customers. Mic drop!

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    Wrong.
    Strippers aren't looking for love, no, I didn't even say that, but most customers are looking for caring and affection.Getting naked for a guy regularly who pretends to care about you can lead some girls to be attached - not in love - but attached. Like a housekeeper to the family she cares for, for example. Being treated unkindly by someone who you've treated really well will make nice people upset.
    Strippers are people. If you become a reg and deliberately build a friendship, then feelings will get hurt if you don't hold up your side of the friendship.

    They're not crying because they fell in love with him, they're crying because, as he says himself, he "looks for soft targets" and he "pretends to care".
    That's HIS hustle and it is wrong.
    We all know these sweet-natured girls that guys like Rick take advantage of.
    EXACTLY - if he wants to deal man to man with a seasoned stripper/escort he could choose an "icy princess". He CHOOSES the vulnerable ones bc that's what turns him on - until his behaviour makes them cry, apparently. Some sicko guys actually really like just that - maybe Rick does and wants to generally upset more people like me with his post.

    I never said anything about love and romance - there are many kinds of love and don't try to tell me customers come in just to grind some cold bitch's pussy and then pick out an escort to take home because if that were true strip clubs wouldn't exist any more, and the number of girls "confusing" stripping with being a walking advert for otc is ruining the business, but i digress...
    I've been doing this long enough to know that men come in for AFFECTION and ATTENTION (ie regs expect you to remember stuff about them bc they want to think you care) and if you haven't worked that out then you're probably not sitting on the kinda money I am
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    Well there are a lot of guys who come in for attention/affection. They tend to be vulnerable, nothing like the kinds of guys who are skilled at getting OTC, and OTC at discount rates.

    There's also a lot of dancers who don't mind doing stuff right in the club, sad to say. In some clubs and areas, there is no need for OTC. Many clubs in the Miami area have VIP rooms with locking doors, WTF?

    And I have to watch the girls for breaking rules almost as much as the guys on the fucking VIP cameras, which I hate doing BTW.

    I've seen manipulation ad infinitum in the clubs, from both customers and dancers. But if there's the slightest doubt in my mind that a dancer is being vulnerable, or not feeling confident, I will give her the vampire pep talk and tell her 'You are the Predator...they are the Prey. No Mercy!', etc. Sorry guys. But generally speaking the skilled hustlers don't need that. The more vulnerable ones do, and I am there to make sure they are as strong as possible when dealing with a severe predatory environment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DonaDiabla View Post
    There is no love in this industry period. Most of these customers do not love nor care for us. We are nothing more than entertainment or jack off material.Sex work is fun and light-hearted. This is not about being Pollyanna and thinking that customers are just looking for affection. You can be good-natured and still not get played by customers. Rick is a good example of wolf. BTW, this black-hearted yet fun-loving bitch always meets her financial goals and I have been doing this for over a decade. I do not have to become friends with my customers to get paid and have regular customers who are enchanted by me. Also, maybe you need to stop giving your emotions to your customers? You sound bitter and hostile behind it. In fact, sex workers like yourself with that Pollyanna yet bitter attitude is also ruining this business as well.So, you can take that bleeding heart crap elsewhere and try not to get played in 21st century by "nice guy" customers. Mic drop!

    You're hilarious.
    I'm sorry this industry has turned you into such a bitter person who feels there's no love in the sex entertainment business.
    You are speaking only from your own experiences and for your way of doing things.
    I prefer not going into work like I'm going to war. My customers appreciate how I do things.
    I have a great time dancing and customers treat me right or I don't bother with them.
    They can go treat some ho like a ho. I'm a dancer.
    This is actually about MONEY and professionalism.
    IMO regs should tip their strippers at Christmas.
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    ackshully imma pick up this mic again just to say...
    It's pretty funny that a whole bunch of strippers are on here defending some a##hole who made 3 girls cry in a week or whatever.
    Maybe they're thinking - "I'd bang that guy right AND keep him coming back, stupid new girls crying over nothing!"
    Yikes!
    My club is pretty awesome though - y'all are very likely working in a much rougher environment and for that I give you some credit.
    You can be a badass all you like, it doesn't mean you should stand up for rubbish, possibly mentally ill, customers like Rick who make girls cry.
    Shame on his cheap, mileage-hungry ass.

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    OP is enjoying the drama he is creating, don't let him divide you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaGirlq View Post
    ackshully imma pick up this mic again just to say...
    It's pretty funny that a whole bunch of strippers are on here defending some a##hole who made 3 girls cry in a week or whatever.
    Maybe they're thinking - "I'd bang that guy right AND keep him coming back, stupid new girls crying over nothing!"
    Yikes!
    My club is pretty awesome though - y'all are very likely working in a much rougher environment and for that I give you some credit.
    You can be a badass all you like, it doesn't mean you should stand up for rubbish, possibly mentally ill, customers like Rick who make girls cry.
    Shame on his cheap, mileage-hungry ass.

    MIC DROP. Again. (Because the Queen did it so it must be badass cool, right?)
    If you've actually read this thread you will see that there aren't a whole bunch of strippers that are defending him. Not sure why you came to that conclusion? I think its been proven that he doesn't give af about dancers and not really certain as to why he's still here. But please don't show up just to show out and insult people. Take a moment and realize that you Canadgirl are amongst your peers. No need to lash out.

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    OP is enjoying the drama he is creating, don't let him divide you.
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    This thread is DEAD and I promise you Mr OP or anyone else if you come back here running you mouth I will issue some points and or a banhammer. Don't take advantage of the fact that we don't have a mod for this section. This thread from the very beginning was ridiculous but in some ways Im glad it was created so that now we all know who we're dealing with.

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    DonaDiabla Im going to assume that you were posting at the same time? Please walk away and let it go.

    Im not playing around folks.

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    we're getting some new blues in here to help out, in the meantime thread locked

    gracias to everyone who provided insightful comments
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