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    Default State requires husbands permission for wife to get abortion

    I'm an MRA, but I oppose this 100%, and other MRA do too.

    I support abortion rights for everyone (in men's case fincial abortion or paper abortion).

    While feminists worried about wolf whistling, mansplaining, manspreading, as the great crimes against women, their right to choose was being stripped from them by traditionalists.

    Thankfully MRAs (most of whom as far as I can tell are also WRAs when a real issue arises) is here to fight back against Traditionalists, attacks on human rights.

    I'll be creating a petitition in support of gender neutral Abortion rights in the coming days.

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    Which state is this? So I know not to move there.

    Abortion sucks all the way around. I personally can't do an abortion but I feel like it should be an option vs. coat hanger abortions

    Getting husbands permission? Um. No. wtf! Is husband a dad now? Is this Middle East now? Yes in an ideal world both people should be in agreement. If men want a say so in their wives reproduction then they need to put that in a prenup and agree beforehand. They need to strongly consider birth control so they won't end up having to make that choice.

    As far as sexual assault - no the wife does not need the husbands permission.

    What if the husband is abusive or tampers with her birth control and impregnates her on purpose? So she has to get permission from an abusive dude? There are men out here trying to trap women. Just No on top of no.

    What about the physical health of the woman? What if it's not feasible health wise to carry a baby but oh wait! Got to get husbands permission first. Nope.

    If the husband really wants the pregnancy and the wife does not then I think he should be prepared to support the wife emotionally and financially for 9 months. He should pay her for using her as a vessel. Then he should be ready to emotionally support and pay 100% for the kid.

    I just can't imagine being married to a guy who forced you into a pregnancy and 18+ years of child rearing.

    What is it with you and feminist???? Many of your posts are like Omega phallic vs. feminist.
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    The state is Arkansas, which, bless them, produced Bill Clinton but has now gone a little crazy and imagines they are Saudi Arkansas. Jk of course but come on, even though we don't have flying cars it is still the 21st century.

    I would hope a married couple would discuss an abortion long and thoroughly. The reality is, in this savage world, a woman must choose.
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    And financial abortion?!?

    I never heard of that and had to google it but unless a man was tied up/drugged up/and raped then I can't see where that would be a good idea.

    If a man doesn't want to pay for a kid he doesn't want he 1) should sign his rights away or the preferred option 2) keep his snake in his cage, keep his sperm in a condom, and be discriminate of who he f*cks or the best option 3) get a vasectomy

    If men aren't financially responsible for kids they create they can go out and impregnate hundreds of women with no recourse. A woman can only get pregnant or have an abortion so many times but a man could impregnate hundreds if not thousands of times. Pregancy, labor, and child rearing is no joke - it not a walk in the park and this huge responsibility falls on the woman. That's why the scales in these situations are tipped in favor of the woman. Plus I highly doubt tax payers want to pay for kids coming from situations where a man wrecklessly impregnates and ditches the kid financially.

    When you stick your dick in AND jizz, those cs payments and that 18 years is the risk you take.
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    Actually, what Arkansas did is to outlaw dismemberment abortions, which is the cutting up and extracting of the fetus in pieces. The law also says that a father of the child can sue if this procedure is used.

    The controversy surrounding this is that dismemberment is the most common method used in second trimester abortions. Besides the perceived safety benefits of the approach, it also offers the advantage of ensuring that the mother does not experience any added emotional discomfort involved with feeling and hearing a living fetus being taken out, since of course the dismemberment process kills the fetus in the womb.

    So far Arkansas is the 7th state to try to regulate this type of abortion, though three of those states are currently in litigation. No doubt that this will eventually make its way to the Supreme Court.

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    Might as well go back to the medieval Europe, during the Crusades when handsome men who were considered as chivalry, put chastity belts on their "ladies" to prevent them from having intercourse because they thought their wives would cheat on them when they fought their battles... causing ill health, and death at times.

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    I have no opinion on abortion at the moment (nor would I say my opinion). Although, I don't think a woman should ask her husband for permission to do it though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    And financial abortion?!?

    I never heard of that and had to google it but unless a man was tied up/drugged up/and raped then I can't see where that would be a good idea.

    If a man doesn't want to pay for a kid he doesn't want he 1) should sign his rights away or the preferred option 2) keep his snake in his cage, keep his sperm in a condom, and be discriminate of who he f*cks or the best option 3) get a vasectomy

    If men aren't financially responsible for kids they create they can go out and impregnate hundreds of women with no recourse. A woman can only get pregnant or have an abortion so many times but a man could impregnate hundreds if not thousands of times. Pregancy, labor, and child rearing is no joke - it not a walk in the park and this huge responsibility falls on the woman. That's why the scales in these situations are tipped in favor of the woman. Plus I highly doubt tax payers want to pay for kids coming from situations where a man wrecklessly impregnates and ditches the kid financially.

    When you stick your dick in AND jizz, those cs payments and that 18 years is the risk you take.
    Yes, yes, yes... I won't take the thread off-topic, but "relative" screwed up so badly here it isn't funny. She never went to court and never receive child support payment for the 4 children she had. Why? I guess she wanted to be a good person or something like that, relying on trust....*pm for more details*.

    In Africa, I heard men would put little holes into the latex so the woman would still get a disease or pregnant. It's just all around ugly.


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    This guy at work, he was crying aloud to everyone that he has to pay child support, the kid is 16, so it's only two more years... he makes 120K a year, why are you crying??? It's only 600 dollars a month (if memory serves right). And you know what else grinds me about him, he hardly even works that hard!

    I did not share any opinion on the matter. I am over here eating beans from a can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamnJolene View Post
    Might as well go back to the medieval Europe, during the Crusades when handsome men who were considered as chivalry, put chastity belts on their "ladies" to prevent them from having intercourse because they thought their wives would cheat on them when they fought their battles... causing ill health, and death at times.

    Second paragraph,
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    I have no opinion on abortion at the moment (nor would I say my opinion). Although, I don't think a woman should ask her husband for permission to do it though.
    So true. Like I said a couple months back.......guard ya pussy.

    The only loophole to that law is
    Don't live in those states
    Divorce your husband if he gives you shit about abortion

    I would be scared to fuck my husband raw if I lived in one of these states

    abortion is no cake walk and I feel for people the men and women and fetuses who wind up having to go through this situation
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    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    And financial abortion?!?

    I never heard of that and had to google it but unless a man was tied up/drugged up/and raped then I can't see where that would be a good idea.

    If a man doesn't want to pay for a kid he doesn't want he 1) should sign his rights away or the preferred option 2) keep his snake in his cage, keep his sperm in a condom, and be discriminate of who he f*cks or the best option 3) get a vasectomy

    If men aren't financially responsible for kids they create they can go out and impregnate hundreds of women with no recourse. A woman can only get pregnant or have an abortion so many times but a man could impregnate hundreds if not thousands of times. Pregancy, labor, and child rearing is no joke - it not a walk in the park and this huge responsibility falls on the woman. That's why the scales in these situations are tipped in favor of the woman. Plus I highly doubt tax payers want to pay for kids coming from situations where a man wrecklessly impregnates and ditches the kid financially.

    When you stick your dick in AND jizz, those cs payments and that 18 years is the risk you take.
    There have been cases where male rape victims actually had to pay child support to their female rapists.

    Anyway here is the petition

    https://www.petitions24.com/arkansas...on_rights#form

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    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    And financial abortion?!?

    I never heard of that and had to google it but unless a man was tied up/drugged up/and raped then I can't see where that would be a good idea.

    If a man doesn't want to pay for a kid he doesn't want he 1) should sign his rights away or the preferred option 2) keep his snake in his cage, keep his sperm in a condom, and be discriminate of who he f*cks or the best option 3) get a vasectomy

    If men aren't financially responsible for kids they create they can go out and impregnate hundreds of women with no recourse. A woman can only get pregnant or have an abortion so many times but a man could impregnate hundreds if not thousands of times. Pregancy, labor, and child rearing is no joke - it not a walk in the park and this huge responsibility falls on the woman. That's why the scales in these situations are tipped in favor of the woman. Plus I highly doubt tax payers want to pay for kids coming from situations where a man wrecklessly impregnates and ditches the kid financially.

    When you stick your dick in AND jizz, those cs payments and that 18 years is the risk you take.
    Most men aren't Ghangis Khan's with hundred or thousands of children.

    And women are the ones who get to choose to keep or abort the child, its only fair to give men the same right to chose as close as we can get as women. Men can't chose if the baby gets born, but they can choose if they are willing to be a father with all the rights and responsiblities that entails.

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    Well the baby grows in the woman's body. If she doesn't want the kid she cant be forced to be a human incubator.

    On the flip side if, after consensual sex, she keeps a kid the man doesn't want - well, he should have never stuck his dick in and came in her or he should have wore a condom, pulled out before cumming inside, or gotten a vasectomy. There are so many options to prevent unwanted pregnancies but they make that choice.

    If we make decisions, no matter how regrettable, we have to take responsibility.

    If roles were reversed and men went through labor and pregnancy then women would be at the mercy of the men making the decision. I actually wouldn't mind this - if men could be genetically modified to carry babies and go through labor THEN they'll know first hand what they are getting themselves into.

    It might not seem fair but its biology.

    And according to court systems the right of the kid being born supercedes the right of a man who doesn't want to pay for the kid he created. He could always sign his rights away to avoid financial responsibility for a kid he doesn't want. Although courts look down on this as they don't want the government to be responsible for hella kids being created by men who created them but don't want to pay for them.

    In an ideal world both parties would be in agreement. I don't think parents should make unilateral decisions regarding kids but it happens. Perhaps get this in writing (like hey what are your thoughts on kids, abortion, birth control) BEFORE sticking it in and cumming inside.
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    Also who's going to pay for these kids that the parents "financially" aborted???

    You're probably going to still be complaining when your taxes increase because of these "financially aborted" kids end up on welfare where you end up indirectly footing the bill for another mans kid. Be careful what you wish for.

    And speaking of fair then let's end the stigma of women and sexuality, let's close the pay gap, lets have more women leaders - a female president, let have women head of polygamist relationships and have 2-3 husbands, let make women's nipples legal.

    A lot of sh*t you can do as a man that I can't do and vice versa.

    A lot of sh*t isn't fair - it's just the way the world is....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omegaphallic View Post
    Most men aren't Ghangis Khan's with hundred or thousands of children.

    And women are the ones who get to choose to keep or abort the child, its only fair to give men the same right to chose as close as we can get as women. Men can't chose if the baby gets born, but they can choose if they are willing to be a father with all the rights and responsiblities that entails.
    A condom costs about a buck. If some guy can't afford that, he needs to worry less about getting laid and worry more about getting a JOB. Its not that hard to avoid getting a woman pregnant.
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    You notice that a lot of the arguments against fincial abortion can be used against women too, don't want the baby, use a condom, that arguement does work for the sane reasons, condoms fail, among others.

    As for who will pay for the child, the same person who gets to decide to medically abort it or not, with great power comes great responsibility.

    You wanted to make that call, and I support that right, but with it comes the reality that if the man doesn't want to be a father, and he has till it's born (unless he finds out in what should be mandatory paternity test), to decide if he does, then you get to go it alone with some state help.

    Sorry not one of these men whose okay with the usual double standards that women just expect men should be okay with.

    As for having a female President try running someone who people can actually stomach, you might get one. Canada has had a Female Prime Minister, a whole bunch of female Premiers, 2 female Governor Generals, and a fucking Queen.

    Why it hasn't gone so well for female American politicians I choke up to choices like Sarah Palin, Michelle Buachmen, and Hillary Clinton, I mean was every other woman in America busy or something?

    Let's be honest these aren't America's best and brightest women are they, you can do better, there many truely bright, kind, honorable women in America, pick one.

    Anyone who pokes holes in a Condom to give someone a disease is a sick, deranged fucker. But women can fuck with condoms too, they can lie about taking the pill to a man, they even have been know to lie about being pregnate in the first place, you can buy pregnate women's pee online.

    If it makes you feel better I resemtly up voted a, feminist Laci Green video on foreskin and why circumsizing male babies is wrong. I give credit where credit is do.

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    Anyways moving back to the purpose of this thread, please sign the petition if you support abortion rights for all in the state of Arkansas. Hopefully we can nip the current situation in the butt.

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    That's why you use condom AND female birth control. If you are not a virgin and that fearful of women ---- don't fuck, don't cum in a woman, don't cum inside strange pussy.

    Say a woman finds herself pregnant and the dude is like fuck it I want financial abortion so she has to figure a way to support the kid on her own and most likely will end up on welfare because most women are busy raising the kid (I'm guessing you've never raised a kid so you have no concept of the time/effort/money it takes). Even if they did have jobs they probably would have to get government aid for daycare while they work.

    Do you not see how this would drain government resources?

    And how is a woman good enough to fuck, good enough to cum inside of, but not good enough to help financially with the kid the man helped to create?

    You say you're not okay with double standards but you're only okay with double standards youre currently benefiting from??? Because I could list several double standards men benefit from. So What you're saying is hypocritical.

    You do realize the politicians you voted for are against abortions right sooooo...Good luck with your financial abortions lol!

    I imagine women will be flocking to have sex with you. You should warn them about your stance before having sex with them if you're not a virgin.

    And think of how much money in taxes you'll pay for other men's financially aborted kids. The court systems are already flooded with men financially abandoning the kids they created and to make it a law??? I can't imagine any sane courts co-signing that level of recklessness

    Idk. Even if I hated the person I procreated with I would still want to see the mini human with my DNA become a productive citizen and that takes money (at the least), time and effort.
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    Ummm...Financial abortion is about men terminating their parental rights if they do not agree to the pregnancy. Men or women can terminate their parental rights after birth as well. Terminating parental rights are not really that big of deal and I knew plenty of people who did so. However, they should have talked about this issue before having sex. Also, what kind of man does not bring his own condoms before he has sex? Seriously, this whole thread is just devoted to your selective moral outrage on a issue that most should have talked about before banging. My parents talked about this issue before laying down together and no one was having the issues you're outraged about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Omegaphallic View Post
    You notice that a lot of the arguments against fincial abortion can be used against women too, don't want the baby, use a condom, that arguement does work for the sane reasons, condoms fail, among others.

    As for who will pay for the child, the same person who gets to decide to medically abort it or not, with great power comes great responsibility.

    You wanted to make that call, and I support that right, but with it comes the reality that if the man doesn't want to be a father, and he has till it's born (unless he finds out in what should be mandatory paternity test), to decide if he does, then you get to go it alone with some state help.

    Sorry not one of these men whose okay with the usual double standards that women just expect men should be okay with.

    As for having a female President try running someone who people can actually stomach, you might get one. Canada has had a Female Prime Minister, a whole bunch of female Premiers, 2 female Governor Generals, and a fucking Queen.

    Why it hasn't gone so well for female American politicians I choke up to choices like Sarah Palin, Michelle Buachmen, and Hillary Clinton, I mean was every other woman in America busy or something?

    Let's be honest these aren't America's best and brightest women are they, you can do better, there many truely bright, kind, honorable women in America, pick one.

    Anyone who pokes holes in a Condom to give someone a disease is a sick, deranged fucker. But women can fuck with condoms too, they can lie about taking the pill to a man, they even have been know to lie about being pregnate in the first place, you can buy pregnate women's pee online.

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    ^^^true. I was under the impression people could terminate their rights if they were unfit (like extreme druggies, child abusers, severe mental illness, etc) not simply because they didn't want to help pay to support them. Maybe it depends on the state?

    This is what I found http://family-law.freeadvice.com/fam...tal-rights.htm

    "Before a court will grant a voluntary termination, they want to know why the parent is requesting termination. Because they want the child to have the privileges of both parents, they will terminate only if there is “good cause” to approve the request. Two common situations that often lead to requests to terminate parental rights include: (1) a parent who wishes to terminate his/her child support or financial obligation for the child; and (2) a parent who desires to have the other parent completely out of their life. Neither ground is generally sufficient alone to constitute “good cause” and will not typically be approved. Courts are particularly cautious in these situations because they do not want to terminate a parent’s financial obligation to support the child. Such a termination may mean that the remaining custodial parent will need public assistance to support the minor child. In essence, the court will not punish a child when parents are trying to avoid their financial or emotional responsibilities."
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    An MRA on Stripperweb? This should go well...

    There are some wonderful men who support and respect sex workers and women in general. An MRA, by definition, will not be one of them. You have to wonder what the intentions of an MRA on a sex worker forum are.

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    You are correct, Miss.a.p1600, but in the state of California...people can terminate their parental rights if they abandon their children or no longer communicate with their children. Also parental rights can be terminate if the father is unknown as well ( like in the case of rape victims and others).

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    ^^^true. I was under the impression people could terminate their rights if they were unfit (like extreme druggies, child abusers, etc) not simply because they didn't want to pay.
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    I know in the state here .... oh they comin after that ass like a bill collector. Garnishing wages, tax returns, licenses and more....

    One of my friends had a baby with a "man" who ditched her and the kid. Didn't work on purpose so the government couldn't make him pay child support. This was a sweet beautiful child. The guy somewhat came to his senses, kept slithering around for visitation but since he missed those critical bonding years the kid is like no I don't want to go with a stranger. She almost went into escorting but eventually married a quality guy who helped her raise the kid.

    Yes Luna ... he is starving for attention. Should just let him continue to starve.
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    You are legally responsible for your child in every state. You cannot voluntarily terminate your parenthood, though you can give up legal custody to another party, that does not end your obligations and you can still be made to pay child support.

    Thinks, folks, if you could terminate your financial obligations voluntarily to a child, would there be thousands of men in jail for nonpayment? Would there be federal "deadbeat dad" registries?

    Simply being an asshole and not caring about your kid does not end the parents obligations.
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    Wrong, in the state of California you can give up your rights if you abandon your child, father is unknown, or lack of communication with the child. Always remember that each state is governed by different family law and penal codes. Since California was a Spanish than Mexican colony. It has some laws that are on par with old Spanish colony laws.Back in the day; people could end marriages and relationships with their children siting abandonment.

    It is right here in the California penal code:

    California Family Code Section 7820 provides that the family law court can terminate the parental and custodial rights of a parent who is found to have abandoned their child. For example, you may be able to establish that the other parent has abandoned your child and terminate their custodial rights, if the other parent has:

    Provided no financial support;
    Had little or no contact with your child for over a year; and
    Had intent to abandon your child.
    The termination of parental rights would prevent the other parent from exercising custodial rights or visitation with your child in the future.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bahuba View Post
    You are legally responsible for your child in every state. You cannot voluntarily terminate your parenthood, though you can give up legal custody to another party, that does not end your obligations and you can still be made to pay child support.

    Thinks, folks, if you could terminate your financial obligations voluntarily to a child, would there be thousands of men in jail for nonpayment? Would there be federal "deadbeat dad" registries?

    Simply being an asshole and not caring about your kid does not end the parents obligations.
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    ^^^exactly! So many men (on top of the ones who already do) would be cumming and running if they knew they could get away with it.

    There would be a huge increase in a) physical abortions b) single moms on welfare c) neglected kids
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    Quote Originally Posted by DonaDiabla View Post
    Wrong, in the state of California you can give up your rights if you abandon your child, father is unknown, or lack of communication with the child. Always remember that each state is governed by different family law and penal codes.

    It is right here in the California penal code:

    California Family Code Section 7820 provides that the family law court can terminate the parental and custodial rights of a parent who is found to have abandoned their child. For example, you may be able to establish that the other parent has abandoned your child and terminate their custodial rights, if the other parent has:

    Provided no financial support;
    Had little or no contact with your child for over a year; and
    Had intent to abandon your child.
    The termination of parental rights would prevent the other parent from exercising custodial rights or visitation with your child in the future.
    I have never ONCE seen a self-identified MRA understand that different states have different statutes dictating how a parent (if I were an MRA I would say "father" ) can give up parental rights. MRAs will tell you EVERY STATE requires that a custodial parent (mother- if you're an MRA) MUST find someone willing to adopt a child before the non custodial parent (father - if you're an MRA) can be relieved of responsibility. AND THEY WILL EVEN ASK YOU TO SIGN PETITIONS BASED ON THIS MISINFORMATION.

    But MRAs aren't really known for their education on legislation. They just assume everything is against them lol
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