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    I am brand new to the escorting and I've been doing TONS of research, checking out prices and etc....

    WHY IN THE WORLD DO MOST BLACK WOMEN CHARGE SO LOW??

    I understand there are woman of all colors charging low but out of 100s of VIP escorts I browsed through..I've seen like 2 black women asking for the same prices I am asking for.

    Ladies...I understand the whole white/asain women are the most sought after thing but that doesn't mean sell ourselves short. I've seen $250 for over night....OVER NIGHT!! I blow kisses for that much.

    I am new so I am sorry if I'm being too much or offended anyone but all ladies of any color- do the entire market a favor and raise the prices. Don't be afraid to ask for more. You'd be surprised how many are willing to give what you ask for. Be sure of yourself. If you're selling ice to an eskimo, be sure that you are convinced yourself that this eskimo needs ice.

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    Idk. Blame society's brainwashing.

    I think many women charge too low. Either they don't know the market or they have really low self esteem and don't know their worth. But yeah women of color should definitely keep up with their competitors because going too low is just asking to be set up with cheap prejudice people or disrespectful low class men.
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    I noticed this in NYC - sometimes I think it was just what someone else introduced them to and then the rate stemmed from that - or pressure to make money quickly so just going for low rate/volume.

    It really sucked because some of them were def underpricing themselves ... but it was the same for a lot of Spanish girls in NYC also. Don't really know about other markets.

    I remember a lot of the agencies lying that black models were dominican or some exotic mix to steer clear of saying they were "black"

    Def all based off of clients prejudice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by persianprincess View Post
    I noticed this in NYC - sometimes I think it was just what someone else introduced them to and then the rate stemmed from that - or pressure to make money quickly so just going for low rate/volume.

    It really sucked because some of them were def underpricing themselves ... but it was the same for a lot of Spanish girls in NYC also. Don't really know about other markets.

    I remember a lot of the agencies lying that black models were dominican or some exotic mix to steer clear of saying they were "black"

    Def all based off of clients prejudice.
    No one seems to be black on sexyjobs.com? Its really sad. I suppose they feel like they may get overlooked if they check that box. I'm from the DR and growing up my relatives would damn kill someone if they referred to me as black, like it was a diss. But that's what I am. Even now when other latinos find out where Im from many of them will say Oh okay you aint black you Dominican. lmao Its a shame really. But we're working on it. It just might take awhile before everyone starts to embrace that #blackgirlmagic We gotta hang in there. The interest for black women is there and always has been. Pornhub just released their 2016 Insights. Ebony & Black were in the top 20 searches for 2016. Raise those rates


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    I noticed that on sexy jobs also and when I was running an agency girls would come to me and state they were Brazilian yet not know a lick of Portuguese, or Dominican and not know any Spanish. We marketed them honestly and to be fair the quality clients came through. One client would strictly ask me to seek out a model-body black model in every city he traveled to.

    I think the tide is changing however, gradually.

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    In my region the low charging WOC tend to be drug addicted. All the WOC girls I consider peers to me charge more than me, actually.
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    I know I cant stand it!! I do notice that there is a certain standard of beauty that has come about in America, which doesnt extend to everyone. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and there are plenty of ebony lovers out there. I honesty think that there are a lot of Black women who don't take value in there beauty as they should and rate it lower, which really hurts when you realize your worth and now your stuck trying to have competitive pricing but not low ball yoursel(Ah!) I try to be fair for what is in the area but not cheat myself.

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    The crazy thing is - the adult industry is when you can be totally honest in certain ways because guys can be somewhat anonymous about their preferences (anonymous to the outside world they think are judging) so realistically no need to lowball yourself despite what the industry has previously dictated. xo

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    Quote Originally Posted by persianprincess View Post
    The crazy thing is - the adult industry is when you can be totally honest in certain ways because guys can be somewhat anonymous about their preferences (anonymous to the outside world they think are judging) so realistically no need to lowball yourself despite what the industry has previously dictated. xo
    Well said. I'm learning based on conversations on a few other boards that the "Industry" don't know shit. Many of them are lazy and close minded and now we the talent need to start getting more educated in this business. And confident.

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    Its fear and misconceptions.

    I see a lot of undercharging by...
    Black women who maybe think lower rates because they arent sought after
    BBW women who maybe think lower rates because they arent thinner
    Young women who maybe think lower rates will get more dates and keep them busier
    Mature women who maybe think lower rates because men would prefer someone younger
    New women who maybe think lower rates because they cant charge more until theyve established themselves

    Like...basically it all comes down to using the lower rate as a marketing ploy in the hopes it will increase their odds of getting more dates, or any dates at all. And when it doesnt work, they keep lowering it thinking thats the problem.

    In truth...the grand majority of *decent guys **with money to spend** * will blow right over all those low rates because they want something of value, and figure if the woman has rates that low, there must be a reason..pimp, desperate, addiction ..he will fear for going to her incall because if her rates are that low, she probably cant afford somewhere decent in a safe place where he wont get robbed or killed, and fears to have her do outcall because she will probably cash and dash or bait and switch or...something.

    I started with embarrassingly low rates..and then LOWERED THEM to what I look back on now as downright humiliating rates... Due to bad advice from a lady who, now that I know her better...really did mean well and no harm..just a bit daft. But she suggested that being black, older and new..that I needed to offer an introductory rate to get guys interested in seeing me. After trying to scrape the crap that collects on the bottom of a dumpster aka dealing with the guys I was attracting...another lady was like WTF double your rates...then double them again! Once I did that, not only did the scum leave me alone, I actually did start to get dates....Thank GAWD someone was looking out for me, because I could have ended up down one path struggling instead of the one I ended up on in this biz...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhatGirlDynomite!!! View Post
    Well said. I'm learning based on conversations on a few other boards that the "Industry" don't know shit. Many of them are lazy and close minded and now we the talent need to start getting more educated in this business. And confident.
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    When I started escorting, I worked for an agency at $300 an hour. Of course, they kept half of that so I was only getting paid $150 an hour plus tips. I was in a "stuck" situation. When I decided to leave the agency and told the madam that I was going to go off on my own and charge $400 an hour, she laughed and told me that I would never see that in the south because I'm black.

    Fast forward years later after working the indy hourly market, at the peak of my own escorting career I was charging $2,500 for 4 hour minimum for fly-me-to-you dates. I wasn't limited to the local hobby scene so the possibilities were endless. I had gone by many names and had many personas but this particular persona was the most expensive. I wanted to go big or go home so I invested heavily. $1,500 for pictures (was originally quoted 3k), $1,000 a night for the hotel room I shot in, $700 for a vedadesigns website (i opted for the template with a customized landing page)...etc You get the gist. Even after I spent all that money on my presentation, I was afraid I wouldn't get any business. I was really really really afraid because here I just spent all this money on a persona and I didn't know anything about this new "world" of escorting. That was when I learned about perceived value. I learned four things: 1. Men will pay it if they see the value themselves. 2. When you have a $2,500 minimum, everything costs more. Think advertising, travel costs ..etc. 3. Some men will expect you to do any and everything under the sun because they're paying you top dollar. 4. You will be slower than escorts charging $300 - much slower. I could go on and on about this but I think you get the gist. In short, all the glitters ain't gold. It's great to be pampered and know that men will pay that kind of money to be with you but you have to deal with some bs even at that level. It also occurred to me that while I had the means to create a persona such as that one, it simply didn't fit my lifestyle. If you think about it, it doesn't make any sense to sit around and wait for $2,500 dates when you want to make money consistently. For me, it was only an ego boost. The idea that I could attract that man to pay me that kind of money only stroked my ego. I didn't care if I got one client a month as long as someone out there saw that value and that made me happy. It's ridiculous but it's the truth.

    Your lifestyle and location matters: Most women that enter the escort industry cannot afford to sit around and wait for $2,500 per date, period. Now think about the average black girl that enters the industry. When I entered the industry I was living motel to motel with my child trying to figure out how I was going to eat the next day. $2,500? $200 an hour at any point during that time would have made me rich as fuck but luckily after doing tons and tons of research, I found an agency, started working with them and pretty much worked my way out of poverty. My point is your rates/volume have to match your lifestyle or you'll just be irritated as hell. Consider your local market and your lifestyle, if the going rate in your area is $200 an hour, could you afford to wait around for a $500 an hour date?

    Your confidence matters: If you don't believe that you're worth it, no one's going to either. You get what you put out there, if you charge $200 an hour, you're going to get men that are willing to pay you $200 an hour. If you charge $1,000 an hour (and hopefully with the right presentation), you're going to attract men that will give you just that (although it may take longer to build a base). For a lot of black women, it's simply a fear/confidence issue. Society already beats "us" down and then one day you decide you're going to be an escort only to read TER and see "I'm not paying $250 for a darkie". If you already have insecurity issues entering the business, reading comments like this on a daily basis will eat you alive. So it's not just a matter of what men will pay, what your market will bear, it's a matter of how you feel about yourself.

    Your marketing and presentation matters: I posted this on another board the other day but most black escorts really don't know how to market and present themselves. You're not going to attract men willing to pay a premium if you look like every other girl on Eros. You're also not going to attract men willing to pay a premium if your pictures are all selfies of you in a dirty bathroom rocking a ratchet ass wig. Lately I've been meeting girls that are like so what do you do during a multi-hour date? Huh? You talk! You're a host. You entertain! If a man gets the sense that you can't hold a conversation, he's probably wanna just seen you for an hour and bounce. He's not going to book a multi-hour date with you unless he just wants to bang your brains out the whole time. And if he's discerning, he's not going to want to see you at all. So if you're a black girl wanting to make top dollar as an escort, it doesn't matter if you're catering to the hourly mid-range market or the high-end market, you have to bring your A game. You don't even have to be pretty. Your personality, conduct, marketing and presentation matters more.

    Just my two cents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fbsmgirl View Post
    When I started escorting, I worked for an agency at $300 an hour. Of course, they kept half of that so I was only getting paid $150 an hour plus tips. I was in a "stuck" situation. When I decided to leave the agency and told the madam that I was going to go off on my own and charge $400 an hour, she laughed at told me that I would never see that in the south because I'm black.

    Fast forward years later after working the indy hourly market, at the peak of my own escorting career I was charging $2,500 for 4 hour minimum for fly-me-to-you dates. I wasn't limited to the local hobby scene so the possibilities were endless. I had gone by many names and had many personas but this particular persona was the most expensive. I wanted to go big or go home so I invested heavily. $1,500 for pictures (was originally quoted 3k), $1,000 a night for the hotel room I shot in, $700 for a vedadesigns website (i opted for the template with a customized landing page)...etc You get the gist. Even after I spent all that money on my presentation, I was afraid I wouldn't get any business. I was really really really afraid because here I just spent all this money on a persona and I didn't know anything about this new "world" of escorting. That was when I learned about perceived value. I learned four things: 1. Men will pay it if they see the value themselves. 2. When you have a $2,500 minimum, everything costs more. Think advertising, travel costs ..etc. 3. Some men will expect you to do any and everything under the sun because they're paying you top dollar. 4. You will be slower than escorts charging $300 - much slower. I could go on and on about this but I think you get the gist. In short, all the glitters ain't gold. It's great to be pampered and know that men will pay that kind of money to be with you but you have to deal with some bs even at that level. It also occurred to me that while I had the means to create a persona such as that one, it simply didn't fit my lifestyle. If you think about it, it doesn't make any sense to sit around and wait for $2,500 dates when you want to make money consistently. For me, it was only an ego boost. The idea that I could attract that man to pay me that kind of money only stroked my ego. I didn't care if I got one client a month as long as someone out there saw that value and that made me happy. It's ridiculous but it's the truth.

    Your lifestyle and location matters: Most women that enter the escort industry cannot afford to sit around and wait for $2,500 per date, period. Now think about the average black girl that enters the industry. When I entered the industry I was living motel to motel with my child trying to figure out how I was going to eat the next day. $2,500? $200 an hour at any point during that time would have made me rich as fuck but luckily after doing tons and tons of research, I found an agency, started working with them and pretty much worked my way out of poverty. My point is your rates/volume have to match your lifestyle or you'll just be irritated as hell. Consider your local market and your lifestyle, if the going rate in your area is $200 an hour, could you afford to wait around for a $500 an hour date?

    Your confidence matters: If you don't believe that you're worth it, no one's going to either. You get what you put out there, if you charge $200 an hour, you're going to get men that are willing to pay you $200 an hour. If you charge $1,000 an hour (and hopefully with the right presentation), you're going to attract men that will give you just that (although it may take longer to build a base). For a lot of black women, it's simply a fear/confidence issue. Society already beats "us" down and then one day you decide you're going to be an escort only to read TER and see "I'm not paying $250 for a darkie". If you already have insecurity issues entering the business, reading comments like this on a daily basis will eat you alive. So it's not just a matter of what men will pay, what your market will bear, it's a matter of how you feel about yourself.

    Your marketing and presentation matters: I posted this on another board the other day but most black escorts really don't know how to market and present themselves. You're not going to attract men willing to pay a premium if you look like every other girl on Eros. You're also not going to attract men willing to pay a premium if your pictures are all selfies of you in a dirty bathroom rocking a ratchet ass wig. Lately I've been meeting girls that are like so what do you do during a mute-hour date? Huh? You talk! You're a host. You entertain! If a man gets the sense that you can't hold a conversation, he's probably wanna just seen you for an hour and bounce. He's not going to book a multi-hour date with you unless he just wants to bang your brains out the whole time. And if he's discerning, he's not going to want to see you at all. So if you're a black girl wanting to make top dollar as an escort, it doesn't matter if you're catering to the hourly mid-range market or the high-end market, you have to bring your A game. You don't even have to be pretty. Your personality, conduct, marketing and presentation matters more.

    Just my two cents.
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    Oh and it really doesn't take much to look "good". Hell, you can shop at a thrift store and look like a million bucks. Years ago I bought the hype that you had to wear agent provocateur and all these high end designers to attract men that paid top dollar. It was all a bunch of bull. No man is going to see a beautiful woman standing there and say is that Kiki de Montparnasse? Nope never happens. I mean I've gotten guys that said "I would love to see you in that red robe you have on your website" but yeah men aren't label hoes like women are. They just want you to look good. So if you take anything from here, it's this: Do your own research. Don't take someone else's word for it. Don't allow anyone to tell you that you can't. Anyone that tells you that you can't is only saying so because they believe that THEY can't.

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    Great post!
    I fit 2 categories of the "unwanted", im both bbw and black and have toyed with starting low. But then i realized fuck that! To take the risk that escorting is, it needs to be worth it and im not selling myself short. I see tight young bodies of all races with crazy low rates in my city and it boggles my mind. However im not going to try and compete with that.

    Camming taught me there is something and someone for everybody. Regardless of how we get portrayed in the media or disrespected on the regular we are still queens and need to have that mindset, especially in this business.

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    @fbsm when i first started i BALKED at the picture prices of some of these photogs. Now im setting my website up and oh my god pictures are worth every penny. Theres a big difference between a sexy, artful photo and a sexy mirror selfie from someone trying to command $300+ an hour

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allraedy View Post
    @fbsm when i first started i BALKED at the picture prices of some of these photogs. Now im setting my website up and oh my god pictures are worth every penny. Theres a big difference between a sexy, artful photo and a sexy mirror selfie from someone trying to command $300+ an hour
    Pics make a huge difference. Nevada brothel girls usually pay $1K per photo shoot but the pics get guys off the Internet & in the door.

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    ^^^ that's interesting for some reason thought they would have got free shoots through the brothel xo

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    Nothing hasn't been said.
    Everybody's situation is different. I don't judge why they charge low price but I don't agree with race as a reason to charge that low.
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    ^^^ that's interesting for some reason thought they would have got free shoots through the brothel xo
    Nope, No Free Rides in a state famous for the city of "Lost Wages" (Las Vegas)

    Rates are regional. I'd kill myself if I had to work for the standard Canadian rates for escorts. & I live within driving distance of that border.

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    Pics make a huge difference. Nevada brothel girls usually pay $1K per photo shoot but the pics get guys off the Internet & in the door.
    Yeah apparently that's normal lol. I had offers for 3-500 and was like are yall crazy??? Then I had my "photographer" friend do them for free...and now literally 1 of those was usable. So now I'm praying that some of these on the 3-5 range are actually good and I wont have to spend 1000. Totally ate my words on that one.

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    Yeah apparently that's normal lol. I had offers for 3-500 and was like are yall crazy??? Then I had my "photographer" friend do them for free...and now literally 1 of those was usable. So now I'm praying that some of these on the 3-5 range are actually good and I wont have to spend 1000. Totally ate my words on that one.
    They should have a portfolio that you can look at? Girls on Instgram will often tag the photographer as well. So you may be able to do a search for them on social media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allraedy View Post
    Yeah apparently that's normal lol. I had offers for 3-500 and was like are yall crazy??? Then I had my "photographer" friend do them for free...and now literally 1 of those was usable. So now I'm praying that some of these on the 3-5 range are actually good and I wont have to spend 1000. Totally ate my words on that one.
    Yeah don't work with Instagram photographers. I've found that a lot of the models there are shills. And just because a guy has a few good pics on instagram doesn't mean that he'll be the right photographer for you. You said that you are a BBW and a lot of photographers don't know how to shoot BBWs in a flattering way. Look for a photographer that has experience in shooting/posing BBWs. Also don't be afraid to contact other BBW escorts and ask them who their photographer is then do your research to make sure she isn't sending you to her creepy boyfriend/pimp. If the guy sounds unprofessional and sleazy, red flag.

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    They do have portfolios but none photograph larger women and im hoping theyll know what to do with me, posing etc.

    However i did find an awesome one in another state and that was through instagram! Wont be seeing her for a while though

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    ^just make sure she has experience shooting bbws.

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