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    Yeah don't work with Instagram photographers. I've found that a lot of the models there are shills. And just because a guy has a few good pics on instagram doesn't mean that he'll be the right photographer for you. You said that you are a BBW and a lot of photographers don't know how to shoot BBWs in a flattering way. Look for a photographer that has experience in shooting/posing BBWs. Also don't be afraid to contact other BBW escorts and ask them who their photographer is then do your research to make sure she isn't sending you to her creepy boyfriend/pimp. If the guy sounds unprofessional and sleazy, red flag.
    Ive worked with a photographer who has an instagram page? He's amazing. And theres a woman photographer that I want to get set up with soon who also uses Insta. Its another way to show off their work. Yea there are scams but lots of people use Instagram for all sorts of businesses. Even people who have websites also use instagram as a part of their marketing plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allraedy View Post
    They do have portfolios but none photograph larger women and im hoping theyll know what to do with me, posing etc.

    However i did find an awesome one in another state and that was through instagram! Wont be seeing her for a while though
    Look at some of the bbw models that you admire and try to find out who shoots them. Try using the hashtag #bbwmodel #bbwpinups #blackpinups

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    She does shoot bbws. She does some plus size bloggers which is how i found her on insta. Shes FIRE. I plan to tour her city anyway but even if i dont make a dime i willbe seeing her
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    My apologies Bailey for the thread derail

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    I kind of don't want to put this in here butttt.............a friend of my brother who lived in NYC during the 1970s bragged that he could "do more" for less with WOC sex workers versus the other options at the time (peepshow girls, girls working out of organized brothels, & strippers.) With older white males there is the stereotype that WOC are oversexed & are looking for a "Daddy" to rescue them from broke single motherhood/ the hood.

    This unfortunately feeds into the trends of WOC charging less & being disrespected.

    These issues happen everywhere. I had a guy back out of a private show after I drove to his house because he was a light skinned Phillipino & thought I was "too brown" for his taste. LOL. Nice. Even my agency boss was laughing out loud at his little boy tantrum on the phone about how I was brown sugary & not paper white.

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    Wait...photographers really cost that much?? Hmmm...I am not established in the business yet but I will def look into that. It all makes sense now, I've seen some VIP escorts web sites that look straight out of a Vogue magazine.

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    Wait...photographers really cost that much?? Hmmm...I am not established in the business yet but I will def look into that. It all makes sense now, I've seen some VIP escorts web sites that look straight out of a Vogue magazine.
    You can find some for a low price(and by low i mean 200 and under). But you get what you pay for. The best photogs are charging 500+. And i cant speak for other cities but out here 500 doesnt even get you anything. 1 5x7 and like 2 digitals. Its insanity. But it is worth it. What has been getting my by on my cam profiles is selfies i took with a bluetooth camera remote. Once you can stack for one good shoot, ideally those pics will lead to more bookings that can pay for more shoots..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allraedy View Post
    You can find some for a low price(and by low i mean 200 and under). But you get what you pay for. The best photogs are charging 500+. And i cant speak for other cities but out here 500 doesnt even get you anything. 1 5x7 and like 2 digitals. Its insanity. But it is worth it. What has been getting my by on my cam profiles is selfies i took with a bluetooth camera remote. Once you can stack for one good shoot, ideally those pics will lead to more bookings that can pay for more shoots..
    True, great pics get your foot into a lot of important doors. The same as professional modeling, but a sex worker makes more on average per opportunity than a fashion model.

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    I'm having to put money into getting shot just for being a paid contributor for writing gigs! Not even for escorting. Theres different levels when it comes to doing business. Anyways I don't think talking about getting pics done is derailing the thread? As long as we're helping one another come up then its all good.

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    I'm using stolen tips from a West Coast magazine photographer to help everyone here. Don't ask how I know this-

    * Lighting is essential for your whole photo, not just lighting up your face and body. This is why Playboy Playmate photo shoots had 50 light setups and the shoots took a whole week to finish.

    * You need to be in the foreground of every shot, not lurking behind a bathtub, hiding under a pillow or draped over a windowsill. YOU are on display, even if you're in a robe.

    * Setting mood is key in your shots. The top escorts in San Francisco had photos of roses, expensive wine or champagne in good glasses, candle light and nice lingerie (on a site I won't name but you've heard of it.) YOU are selling a luxury experience, YOU are a luxury.

    * Have your nails manicured, your hair clean and neat. Makeup classic. Body lotioned. You are on display.

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    A lot of Black women charge low because 90% of the world thrives off of White Supremacy. Going to any big box site and you'll see 50x as many non-women of color on the front page, in top spots, model of the months, etc, than women of color. Things should be on an equal playing field, but that time has yet to come. Since that time hasn't come, it's up to WOC to fight back economically and accept nothing less than what they deserve.

    Some Black women have believed the lie that they are unattractive, undesired, too dark, too nappy headed, or whatever but we are in an age where we're learning every day that those are all myths. Black women thrive in education, entrepreneurship tech, the list goes on. If the world tells you you're not wanted by anyone, including your own men, and sometimes even your own parents- you're going to believe it and it's going to fuck with your self-esteem. Models with low self-esteem are not going to ask for high prices because they don't believe they'll get it.

    I'm not totally clueless to colorism either, within the Black community, and non. I understand that as a contact lens, weave wearing woman of a lighter brown shade, I have some privileges that others may not. Don't let that stop you. Dark skin women, you ARE beautiful, you ARE desired, and you can make as much money as you want, and as much as the competition. There are no limits! Men love you, especially those Caucasian men let them help you boss up by charging high for your exotic, ass. These men are sometimes afraid of stepping up to you in person, they're curious, or they've always wanted to be with a Black women. CHARGE FOR THAT SHIT! Make daddy pay well, and make you his sole ebony provider.

    That being said, BW, raise your rates as high as you like, and demand these men pay you. And work on your sales pitches! As a Black woman with typically higher prices ($200 Indy BR, $9.99 per min cam, $5-6 indy, $2.99 phone, $2 per text, etc) from pretty much day one since I've been fully back in the game. I know first hand how tough it can be to enforce that your product is worth it. I know how it feels to have sell yourself a bit harder. We're no strangers of hard work, history has been the same for the BW. But in 2017 we have the opportunity to run our businesses how we see fit. These men WILL pay! They can't get you anywhere else, and trust me, they want us, both in and out of the bedroom .

    One last thing. If you're going to charge high, look expensive. Make these guys wanna spend their whole corporate check on that ass. Men are visual, and you can't be looking ratchet (unless that's your niche)asking for big money. If you're going to ask for top tier prices, get yourself physically all the way together.




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    Yassss Kortney! Thats why i refuse to undersell too much. My current rate is still kind of low for my liking. Theres an ebony provider who is bbw and she charges nearly $500/hr! And her website is BEAUTIFUL and her few pictures are classy. GOALS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kortneykay View Post
    A lot of Black women charge low because 90% of the world thrives off of White Supremacy. Going to any big box site and you'll see 50x as many non-women of color on the front page, in top spots, model of the months, etc, than women of color. Things should be on an equal playing field, but that time has yet to come. Since that time hasn't come, it's up to WOC to fight back economically and accept nothing less than what they deserve.

    Some Black women have believed the lie that they are unattractive, undesired, too dark, too nappy headed, or whatever but we are in an age where we're learning every day that those are all myths. Black women thrive in education, entrepreneurship tech, the list goes on. If the world tells you you're not wanted by anyone, including your own men, and sometimes even your own parents- you're going to believe it and it's going to fuck with your self-esteem. Models with low self-esteem are not going to ask for high prices because they don't believe they'll get it.

    I'm not totally clueless to colorism either, within the Black community, and non. I understand that as a contact lens, weave wearing woman of a lighter brown shade, I have some privileges that others may not. Don't let that stop you. Dark skin women, you ARE beautiful, you ARE desired, and you can make as much money as you want, and as much as the competition. There are no limits! Men love you, especially those Caucasian men let them help you boss up by charging high for your exotic, ass. These men are sometimes afraid of stepping up to you in person, they're curious, or they've always wanted to be with a Black women. CHARGE FOR THAT SHIT! Make daddy pay well, and make you his sole ebony provider.

    YASS!!! Im the type of person who is okay with everyone and sometimes I get a little extra excited to be around black people, being from where I grew up ( I had a field day in Memphis haha) But it really makes me sad to see on some of these boards women who don't want to put Black as their ethnicity, girl you better own that shit! Like Im half Italian (or a third) but Im not going around marketing myself as mixed or what have you and I understand a lot of people qualify as mixed but I have seen some females who outright are just denying their beautiful blackness!

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    Dude, I put it in my taglines, my ads, I like my pics to show off just how dark my skin is, none of that washed out business lol For real...I find its no different from any other aspect of the adult biz...in the sea of women out there, there arent that many black women at all. I get giddy even when I can put down my category as Black / Ebony because that takes me from being one of 400 profiles to wade through...down to one in 12. And it doesnt take a mathematician to tell ya..the odds just went way up for me that way.

    Neverminding..the majority of guys I have seen are white..and in that...the majority of them either love to be with black women..or never have..either way, they specifically are seeking out that little category that Im in. Being sought after is a GOOD thing... Even when touring, I do way better in cities that have a very small black population. The guys are like oh thank god youre here! Please come back! Please tell your friends! LOL Im so looking forward to touring again... Anyway, Scarcity creates value... With the laws of supply and demand, we should actually be charging more, definitely not less.
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    If a girl is charging ridiculously low prices she could just be desperate for money, an addict or something else. I wouldn't be quick to assume its cause she feels she has to based on her race.

    With that being said, I've never, ever charged any less than what is the standard for the city I'm in. I wish someone would suggest I do just cause of my race. I'm in the South and while there are a slew of gorgeous black girls, they all charge the industry standard, some even in the $1000/hr range. Come to think of it, I've never seen any girl's rates that much lower than the regional average.

    I've never had a client suggest otherwise, just cause I'm black and thank god I'm not on TER cause I wish a mofo would.

    I look forward to touring internationally this summer.. particularly a region where black girls are scarce so I can really make some moolah.

    I'm happy to see more black girls are forced to be indie since these racist ass agencies don't want them on their roster. Y'all too good to be giving someone a cut anyway!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fbsmgirl View Post
    Oh and it really doesn't take much to look "good". Hell, you can shop at a thrift store and look like a million bucks. Years ago I bought the hype that you had to wear agent provocateur and all these high end designers to attract men that paid top dollar. It was all a bunch of bull. No man is going to see a beautiful woman standing there and say is that Kiki de Montparnasse? Nope never happens. I mean I've gotten guys that said "I would love to see you in that red robe you have on your website" but yeah men aren't label hoes like women are. They just want you to look good. .
    Precisely. The only thing I obsess over is my body. I eat clean and stay in shape. I see too many escorts more concerned with expensive lingerie, makeup and hair but posing with their guts hanging out. Sure the average male will overlook your beer belly, but is he going to be a repeat?

    I prefer simple panties and bra sets (Yes, even mismatched) and let my body do the work. ha

    I have a "girl next door" appeal so it works for me and keeps more money in my pocket

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    Precisely. The only thing I obsess over is my body. I eat clean and stay in shape. I see too many escorts more concerned with expensive lingerie, makeup and hair but posing with their guts hanging out. Sure the average male will overlook your beer belly, but is he going to be a repeat?

    I prefer simple panties and bra sets (Yes, even mismatched) and let my body do the work. ha

    I have a "girl next door" appeal so it works for me and keeps more money in my pocket
    This EXACTLY.

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    Maybe, because their target customers are ghetto poor black men.

    One time I went to a black ghetto strip club in the ghetto part of NJ (long story... I was in NYC and it was the only club open so late). I saw one of the most beautiful women I have ever seen in my entire life. She was black and absolutely jaw-dropping stunning. She did not belong in this sad black ghetto strip club, she belonged in an upscale gentleman's club with well-off men (of all races/nationalities). True, there may be some drug dealers and other criminal elements with money to rain on her in the ghetto strip club, but, most of the guys in there looked dead-ass-broke.

    Women like that need to leave the ghetto environment and learn to hustle in a richer environment. However, they may be held back due to fear and insecurities. (I'm sure they face other obstacles, too - e.g., clubs may not hire black dancers that look, act and talk ghetto.) They may have to work on presentation and communication to avoid turning off or scaring away affluent men. (This applies to trailer park poor white girls, too, and any girl coming from a humble place.) But, once they master these skills, an attractive black woman can be extremely exotic and seductive to wealthy and upper middle-class men (of all races/nationalities). There is a little bit of jungle fever in all of us, you just have to know how to bring it out.

    (BTW, I am NOT saying that all black women in sexually oriented businesses come from the ghetto. I am only saying that those that do come from the ghetto are probably the ones with the ridiculously low rates that drive prices down.)
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    Maybe, because their target customers are ghetto poor black men.

    One time I went to a black ghetto strip club in the ghetto part of NJ (long story... I was in NYC and it was the only club open so late). I saw one of the most beautiful women I have ever seen in my entire life. She was black and absolutely jaw-dropping stunning. She did not belong in this sad black ghetto strip club, she belonged in an upscale gentleman's club with well-off men (of all races/nationalities). True, there may be some drug dealers and other criminal elements with money to rain on her in the ghetto strip club, but, most of the guys in there looked dead-ass-broke.

    Women like that need to leave the ghetto environment and learn to hustle in a richer environment. However, they may be held back due to fear and insecurities. (I'm sure they face other obstacles, too - e.g., clubs may not hire black dancers that look, act and talk ghetto.) They may have to work on presentation and communication to avoid turning off or scaring away affluent men. (This applies to trailer park poor white girls, too, and any girl coming from a humble place.) But, once they master these skills, an attractive black woman can be extremely exotic and seductive to wealthy and upper middle-class men (of all races/nationalities). There is a little bit of jungle fever in all of us, you just have to know how to bring it out.

    (BTW, I am NOT saying that all black women in sexually oriented businesses come from the ghetto. I am only saying that those that do come from the ghetto are probably the ones with the ridiculously low rates that drive prices down.)
    Please go away. Your delivery sounds pretentious as fuck, Mr. "Don't ask why a white man like me was in a NJ ghetto club." Actually, as an actual BLACK woman,(because we speak for OURSELVES) our demographic clients are already 'wealthy, upscale' WHITE MEN. Whether the woman Ghetto, or classy. I mean, you were there, weren't you? And the fact that most 'upscale' clubs only house 1-2 BW, perhaps she couldn't GET into the club she wanted and had to settle- or, perhaps she belonged there and made the most money, who knows? Are you her White savior?

    I'll tell you the reason SOME Black Women charge less is because WHITE MEN such as yourself(because WM have a systematic advantage over BM), try and 'drive a bargain' assuming that BW should charge less because they are furthest away from what you guys value in your White Supremacist society, AKA White Women.

    Most BW don't even see Black male clients, so no their 'main target' isn't poor Black men, it's POOR/Cheap White men, actually. We, BW know why- though a lot of you Whites pretend to ignore the fact that systematic oppression (which you created and benefit from)has anything to do with it.

    Nope- YOU'RE the reason BW charge less- because they're reminded daily that their skin/features aren't 'preferred' so they ASSUME they're not worth a damn, but the lie detector determined that that was a lie.

    But thankfully Black Queens such as myself charge VERY high rates.
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    I'm just trying to understand who tf {in the adult industry} would target poor in any racial group tf lol.We want money shit, what kind of logic sheessh

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    I hear what you are saying Kortneykay, but,...

    First of all, I'm not white. I'm Latino. Second of all, I grew up in the NYC ghetto.

    Growing up in the projects I heard a lot of the same bullshit - that inner city ghetto youth like me couldn't expect to go far in life. We were disadvantaged and disenfranchised and 'the man' would always keep us down. Because of this fatalistic bullshit, most ghetto kids don't even make effort. "Why the fuck even try if the white man gonna keep you down regardless?" "The only way up for a ghetto kid is drug-dealing, pro sports or hip hop/music." But these barriers are self-imposed bullshit. It's a myth to explain why some of our people haven't achieved shit with their lives. Many lazy old fucks say, "I could have been a lawyer or doctor, but, ain't no one gonna give me a chance, so, why even bother?"

    They use a mythological villain - 'the man' - as an escape goat for their laziness and trepidation. I'm not saying there aren't some real barriers, but, they can usually be overcome. I got sick of hearing, "Ain't no use going to college." and "You think you gonna be a lawyer? Hah! Hah! Hah! You ain't ever gonna be a lawyer, you fool!" I received scholarships and financial aid, and, I took out so much student loans that it will take more than two decades to pay off, but, it was doable.

    Many black and Latinos in the ghetto become used to living with gangs, drugs and violence, but, they are more terrified of white people, so they spent a lifetime hiding in the ghetto. So much waste. There was a stunning Latina in my project. She had the face and body to be a top model or a jet-setting high-class escort (if that is what she wanted), but instead, she ended up becoming a cheap ghetto hooker and crackhead. Very, very sad. She wasn't the only one, either. A few girls I went to school with ended up selling themselves for cheap on ghetto streets. That's where I am coming from.

    I wouldn't go anywhere near a ghetto today (except for that one time in NJ). The fucking ghetto just reminds me of all the wasted potential I saw growing up there. It's a sad sad place. If it makes me pretentious to say that, fuck it, I'll say it anyway. I don't mean to insult anyone who lives in the ghetto. I'm just saying - get the fuck out of there.

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    Please go away. Your delivery sounds pretentious as fuck, Mr. "Don't ask why a white man like me was in a NJ ghetto club." Actually, as an actual BLACK woman,(because we speak for OURSELVES) our demographic clients are already 'wealthy, upscale' WHITE MEN. Whether the woman Ghetto, or classy. I mean, you were there, weren't you? And the fact that most 'upscale' clubs only house 1-2 BW, perhaps she couldn't GET into the club she wanted and had to settle- or, perhaps she belonged there and made the most money, who knows? Are you her White savior?

    I'll tell you the reason SOME Black Women charge less is because WHITE MEN such as yourself(because WM have a systematic advantage over BM), try and 'drive a bargain' assuming that BW should charge less because they are furthest away from what you guys value in your White Supremacist society, AKA White Women.

    Most BW don't even see Black male clients, so no their 'main target' isn't poor Black men, it's POOR/Cheap White men, actually. We, BW know why- though a lot of you Whites pretend to ignore the fact that systematic oppression (which you created and benefit from)has anything to do with it.

    Nope- YOU'RE the reason BW charge less- because they're reminded daily that their skin/features aren't 'preferred' so they ASSUME they're not worth a damn, but the lie detector determined that that was a lie.

    But thankfully Black Queens such as myself charge VERY high rates.
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    For any girls that read this and have self esteem issues I'll tell you what helped me with mine. "Fake it to make it". Not just in money making, but in all aspects of life. If you want to be high class and attractive to wealthy man, act like you are even if you don't feel like you are. Never stop faking it even when you're home alone cramping on your period. One day your will make it and be that woman you admire even by your critical judgement.

    Also based on guy friends I think that black women are being seen as more and more desirable. I know that"jungle fever" was coined and has become a common term for a reason.

    Also I love this thread. This isn't just a thread with great advice for black girls only, this is great advice for all women. Thank you ladies.

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    If you want to charge more, than charge more and don't sell yourself short for being black.
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    People tell them to. I notice this mindset in sex work circles online, encouraging usually Black women to charge low and be accessible so AT LEAST they get clients. They're not taught how to navigate the higher end markets

    I find the discussions of rate correlated with "worth" interesting and the idea that being desired by rich White men is special.

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    I've seen other WOC charge low rates, but that's not ALL WOC- just like how I've seen ALOT of white girls charge low rates as well. I've charge high as shit rates for YEARS and never felt the need to low ball myself, but that's because I go for a very upscale clientele that are willing to call me God. And they're willing to pay. I can't ever underhand myself and I always tell all women in the industry to do the same.
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