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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Xplicit18 View Post
    I've seen other WOC charge low rates, but that's not ALL WOC- just like how I've seen ALOT of white girls charge low rates as well. I've charge high as shit rates for YEARS and never felt the need to low ball myself, but that's because I go for a very upscale clientele that are willing to call me God. And they're willing to pay. I can't ever underhand myself and I always tell all women in the industry to do the same.
    Exactly. I've never felt the need to charge less. I go by the rate of the city, not by race.

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    TBH I did not read all of the posts in this thread. Also, I am not an escort so I am not sure how much weight my opinion has on the subject, but my 2 cents as a big titty blonde girl... beauty standards ARE starting to change.

    Now, a big butt and full lips are all the rage, and who, stereotypically has these features? Black women. The crown prince of England is dating a (bi-racial? or is Megan "black" according to American standards?) woman, Nyakim is taking the fashion world by storm and popular media like Netflix series are showing more and more interracial couples where the woman is black and the man is white.

    While I do think it will be some time before any WOC is not "fetishized", I think the younger generation is starting to realize that black truly is beautiful, and the narrative is slowly changing. When I was a little girl the standard of beauty was blonde hair, light eyes, big boobs, long legs. My grandma bought my sister a brunette barbie doll (that she probably had to special order) to teach her she was "pretty". Now all the girls want to look like J-Lo or Kylie with her silicone ass and lips.

    My point is, just because society has stonewalled us into a specific belief, does not mean that we all agree. You should 100% charge premium rates based on your looks, level of class and area, not the amount of or lack of melanin in your skin.
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    I think its because there are simply more black survival sex workers. Most likely they cannot afford to sit around for days or weeks for a client. Not everyone has access to that privilege. Its not really fair to ask these women to prioritize "the industry" ahead of their own immediate needs.

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    I see it all the time where I live. A lot of black women on bp in my area posting 20, 40, and 50 dollar specials. It's sad. They either don't realize they're worth much more than that or survival escorting. Men around here are cold as hell though with the "white only" crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post
    Maybe, because their target customers are ghetto poor black men.

    One time I went to a black ghetto strip club in the ghetto part of NJ (long story... I was in NYC and it was the only club open so late). I saw one of the most beautiful women I have ever seen in my entire life. She was black and absolutely jaw-dropping stunning. She did not belong in this sad black ghetto strip club, she belonged in an upscale gentleman's club with well-off men (of all races/nationalities). True, there may be some drug dealers and other criminal elements with money to rain on her in the ghetto strip club, but, most of the guys in there looked dead-ass-broke.

    Women like that need to leave the ghetto environment and learn to hustle in a richer environment. However, they may be held back due to fear and insecurities. (I'm sure they face other obstacles, too - e.g., clubs may not hire black dancers that look, act and talk ghetto.) They may have to work on presentation and communication to avoid turning off or scaring away affluent men. (This applies to trailer park poor white girls, too, and any girl coming from a humble place.) But, once they master these skills, an attractive black woman can be extremely exotic and seductive to wealthy and upper middle-class men (of all races/nationalities). There is a little bit of jungle fever in all of us, you just have to know how to bring it out.

    (BTW, I am NOT saying that all black women in sexually oriented businesses come from the ghetto. I am only saying that those that do come from the ghetto are probably the ones with the ridiculously low rates that drive prices down.)
    Im a black woman in the industry and I totally agree with everything you said. The things you mentioned are what bought me to this thread I found on the search engine in general. I was browsing listings and keep seeing these stunningly beautiful black women charging the rates of a drug addict from what Ive seen in my life experience. And I thought to myself "someones gotta notice how weird and crazy this is/looks." So I typed a couple of key words in the search engine about it and ended up here. Props to the original poster for bringing this up as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post
    I hear what you are saying Kortneykay, but,...

    First of all, I'm not white. I'm Latino. Second of all, I grew up in the NYC ghetto.

    Growing up in the projects I heard a lot of the same bullshit - that inner city ghetto youth like me couldn't expect to go far in life. We were disadvantaged and disenfranchised and 'the man' would always keep us down. Because of this fatalistic bullshit, most ghetto kids don't even make effort. "Why the fuck even try if the white man gonna keep you down regardless?" "The only way up for a ghetto kid is drug-dealing, pro sports or hip hop/music." But these barriers are self-imposed bullshit. It's a myth to explain why some of our people haven't achieved shit with their lives. Many lazy old fucks say, "I could have been a lawyer or doctor, but, ain't no one gonna give me a chance, so, why even bother?"

    They use a mythological villain - 'the man' - as an escape goat for their laziness and trepidation. I'm not saying there aren't some real barriers, but, they can usually be overcome. I got sick of hearing, "Ain't no use going to college." and "You think you gonna be a lawyer? Hah! Hah! Hah! You ain't ever gonna be a lawyer, you fool!" I received scholarships and financial aid, and, I took out so much student loans that it will take more than two decades to pay off, but, it was doable.

    Many black and Latinos in the ghetto become used to living with gangs, drugs and violence, but, they are more terrified of white people, so they spent a lifetime hiding in the ghetto. So much waste. There was a stunning Latina in my project. She had the face and body to be a top model or a jet-setting high-class escort (if that is what she wanted), but instead, she ended up becoming a cheap ghetto hooker and crackhead. Very, very sad. She wasn't the only one, either. A few girls I went to school with ended up selling themselves for cheap on ghetto streets. That's where I am coming from.

    I wouldn't go anywhere near a ghetto today (except for that one time in NJ). The fucking ghetto just reminds me of all the wasted potential I saw growing up there. It's a sad sad place. If it makes me pretentious to say that, fuck it, I'll say it anyway. I don't mean to insult anyone who lives in the ghetto. I'm just saying - get the fuck out of there.
    Im originally from NY as well so I totally get you. Everything you're saying I've experienced and saw and feel very similar about it. Self value is really a mental state. Alot of beautiful people have mental illness unfortunately. I always say "Even Halle Berry played a crack head." And she could have been one if her mental state were different with the same exact looks. Everyones level of ambition isnt the same either. It is what it is. Good read thanks. 👍

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoneyMachado View Post
    I find the discussions of rate correlated with "worth" interesting and the idea that being desired by rich White men is special.
    I think that mind set of "rich white men as special" is speaking more towards the fact that the majority of wealth in this country is held and controlled by those rich white men. Paradoxically I do prefer and have been fortunate enough to attract black clients who arent necessarily rich per say but make a considerably ample income and are also interested in patronizing black women. However the reality is that the large majority of the money market for any person male or female in the adult industry are White Males. I dont think anyone can deny that fact.

    Just like I tell any guys I know that are interested in web camming... If you are looking to make real money unfortunately you would have to perform homosexual suggestive acts during your shows or simply deal with alot of homosexual language and advances because the large majority of your audience and spenders will be gay, bi or closeted white males(with black male spenders probably coming in second). I just need to let them know before they unknowingly subjugate themselves to that type of behavior. I dont want them to be shocked and offended when some guy tips 500 tokens and asks them to bend over or see their ass. Or when some bi white guy tells them they want him to bend them over and they worship BBC. Know what I mean. I get these white fetish guys on my cam page all the time and Im a female. They tip me the most alot of times just to share how they love BBC. Sometimes they search out females who will listen and tip for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fbsm_girl View Post
    I see it all the time where I live. A lot of black women on bp in my area posting 20, 40, and 50 dollar specials. It's sad. They either don't realize they're worth much more than that or survival escorting. Men around here are cold as hell though with the "white only" crap.
    That "$50 special" is never for a performance. Typically, its just to get the guy to walk through the door then the girl haggles the guy accordingly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willow Summers View Post
    However the reality is that the large majority of the money market for any person male or female in the adult industry are White Males. I dont think anyone can deny that fact.

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    Exactly. Socially, white men are the ones who pay for sex.

    But again, I think those who are worried they wont have a good clientele are worried for nothing. Perhaps the city plays a role but I'm always seeking rural areas to work where black women are an anomaly and make bank. As I also do in the South. This is the 45+ white collar demo. which is who I prefer anyway.

    The least likely to call me are frat boys or nerdy serial killer looking types which is fine by me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willow Summers View Post
    I was browsing listings and keep seeing these stunningly beautiful black women charging the rates of a drug addict from what Ive seen in my life experience.
    Yea, y'all dont realize on certain sites, all the chicks advertise super cheap "specials" Its just a ploy. You will learn the tricks as you go on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exxotica View Post
    Yea, y'all dont realize on certain sites, all the chicks advertise super cheap "specials" Its just a ploy. You will learn the tricks as you go on.
    Lol a ploy? I know guys that say they've "went all the way" with a lady for 50-60 bucks. I've been web camming for almost 3 years. Men gossip more than females these days. I guess when the haggling doesn't work they give in. There's also a website with listings where guys can comment right under the girls listing and they were going on and on about how they had certain ladies for 50 bucks. So maybe its just a ploy in your neck of the woods(which I doubt tbh) or for certain ladies, but alot of ladies are going to 3rd base for pennies sadly.

    Not to mention that is dangerous and not smart. If you're advertising to attract lower end clientele they can have a higher tendency to be violent or aggressive(which im sure of by the way they talk on those comment threads and message boards). I know of a girl years back who was killed in a hotel room. So to trigger a guys anger or not provide what he is expecting for the price is a dangerous game to play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exxotica View Post
    That "$50 special" is never for a performance. Typically, its just to get the guy to walk through the door then the girl haggles the guy accordingly.
    Nah these ladies are definitely giving up the whole horse for the 50 lol. I know too many dudes. Even my ex once told me that once he called an agency and only paid 60. I was shocked. I was thinking the way you're thinking, like he couldn't have gotten much for that amount. Well he claims he went all the way(protected of course). And working with an agency you know they have to split it half way. Horrible, smh.

    I just dont understand why girls put themselves thru that when theres web camming where you can make anywhere from 100-300 a day. That's really more reason to put your foot down and not even suggest low rates. I see a few ebony cam girls making 300-800 in one day consistently. Of course they had to buy a fake a ss first, but still lol. But this behavior has affected the web camming world for ebonies as well. Its not like when I started a few years ago. Unless you are some freak of nature guys don't spend as much as they used to as often. Some are like why pay 50-100 for a private show when he can get the whole enchilada for that price. The whole industry is affected by these girls poor decisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willow Summers View Post
    Lol a ploy? I know guys that say they've "went all the way" with a lady for 50-60 bucks. I've been web camming for almost 3 years. Men gossip more than females these days. I guess when the haggling doesn't work they give in. There's also a website with listings where guys can comment right under the girls listing and they were going on and on about how they had certain ladies for 50 bucks. So maybe its just a ploy in your neck of the woods(which I doubt tbh) or for certain ladies, but alot of ladies are going to 3rd base for pennies sadly.

    Not to mention that is dangerous and not smart. If you're advertising to attract lower end clientele they can have a higher tendency to be violent or aggressive(which im sure of by the way they talk on those comment threads and message boards). I know of a girl years back who was killed in a hotel room. So to trigger a guys anger or not provide what he is expecting for the price is a dangerous game to play.
    Its pretty common for a man to claim he paid a super low rate either to get you to do the same or make it seem like he has game. Its a form of bragging for them.

    This industry is dangerous period. You can do everything right and more and still get stabbed in the neck. Plenty of us know girls who have been killed. But how one chooses to hustle is an individual choice.

    Either way, you charge what you want and hope for the best. Simple as that.

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    ...thank god I'm not on TER cause I wish a mofo would. #BlackGirlMagic
    If you've been working for awhile you are on TER. I'd suggest you search the reviews section for your name/Aliases if you haven't already. They talk about every girl who steps her foot in the biz. None of them will tell you they're going to write a review on you or that they're even a member of that site. But a lot of guys will see girls just to review them or just because they liked the previous reviews they saw. If a guy sees a new unreviewed girl they call it "taking one for the team". So offensive, but its part of what we sign up for I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willow Summers View Post
    Nah these ladies are definitely giving up the whole horse for the 50 lol. I know too many dudes. Even my ex once told me that once he called an agency and only paid 60. I was shocked. I was thinking the way you're thinking, like he couldn't have gotten much for that amount. Well he claims he went all the way(protected of course). And working with an agency you know they have to split it half way. Horrible, smh.

    The whole industry is affected by these girls poor decisions.
    Yes, cause guys don't lie. How many times have I heard a guy claim he paid next to nothing for a chick. K.

    Either way, this whole "omg, these low rate girls are messing it up for meeeee" argument is so tired. The industry been oversaturated and cheapened. Get in where you can fit in and keep it moving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exxotica View Post
    Yes, cause guys don't lie. How many times have I heard a guy claim he paid next to nothing for a chick. K.

    Either way, this whole "omg, these low rate girls are messing it up for meeeee" argument is so tired. The industry been oversaturated and cheapened. Get in where you can fit in and keep it moving.
    I'm pretty sure my ex was telling the truth. I mean we were married and were still on pretty decent terms. He's even done a few adult vids with me to help my biz when I first started out. Perhaps its the ladies who are lying. The guys are usually reporting to each other and discussing amongst themselves on the boards so the other guys know what to expect from the girl. I see a lot of them say "lets help each other out" and "good looking out". Lying about the price and what they can get for it wouldn't be very helpful now would it. And like I said, some may try to haggle but its not very smart.

    And I dont need to be told "get in where I fit in" when I've made a pretty hefty annual income over the years with just web camming alone. Well above over the average household median let's just say. I am one of the most popular ebonies on one of the top amateur video content sales websites. You know those sites that have only white girls on their cover promotions. They even featured me so I have long since gotten in where I fit in. I'm just speaking facts based on what I know to be fact, not what I want other ppl to believe. These girls are screwing for dirt cheap. And while theyre using themselves up theses girls on web cam are making ten times the amount in one day and never had to be in the physical presence of a human being. It needs to stop. Not only is it not safe its idiotic asf.

    Even the safety of the higher end ladies is not guaranteed but at least the risk is lower. Also, I would like to advise that ladies stop doing in calls. With out call you are at a location where that guy has to provide his personal and legal information in order to be there. So if something happens to the lady ppl will know who did it. The girl who was killed back in the day provided in call so no one knows who killed her. While you are on here tryna give advice to someone who is most likely your elder why dont you listen up and take some. I'm not tryna debate with you sweetheart. So if you dont like what Im saying srry but its the truth. I've been in this industry one way or another for well over a decade on and off, so I think I'm qualified to advise a little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willow Summers View Post
    I'm pretty sure my ex was telling the truth. I mean we were married and were still on pretty decent terms. He's even done a few adult vids with me to help my biz when I first started out. Perhaps its the ladies who are lying. The guys are usually reporting to each other and discussing amongst themselves on the boards so the other guys know what to expect from the girl. I see a lot of them say "lets help each other out" and "good looking out". Lying about the price and what they can get for it wouldn't be very helpful now would it. And like I said, some may try to haggle but its not very smart.

    And I dont need to be told "get in where I fit in" when I've made a pretty hefty annual income over the years with just web camming alone. Well above over the average household median let's just say. I am one of the most popular ebonies on one of the top amateur video content sales websites. You know those sites that have only white girls on their cover promotions. They even featured me so I have long since gotten in where I fit in. I'm just speaking facts based on what I know to be fact, not what I want other ppl to believe. These girls are screwing for dirt cheap. And while theyre using themselves up theses girls on web cam are making ten times the amount in one day and never had to be in the physical presence of a human being. It needs to stop. Not only is it not safe its idiotic asf.

    Even the safety of the higher end ladies is not guaranteed but at least the risk is lower. Also, I would like to advise that ladies stop doing in calls. With out call you are at a location where that guy has to provide his personal and legal information in order to be there. So if something happens to the lady ppl will know who did it. The girl who was killed back in the day provided in call so no one knows who killed her. While you are on here tryna give advice to someone who is most likely your elder why dont you listen up and take some. I'm not tryna debate with you sweetheart. So if you dont like what Im saying srry but its the truth. I've been in this industry one way or another for well over a decade on and off, so I think I'm qualified to advise a little.
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    yea, k.
    Just tryna be helpful sweetie not negative. And just to be fair I'm sure ppl lie of Both genders. But we know what's up in a lot of cases. Let's be real. Peace ✌

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    Despite all the racial tension going on right now, I think the timing is right for Black women in the adult industry to step up to the next level. If you don't, it's a wasted opportunity. Gorgeous Black women and other women of color are finally beginning to get the attention and recognition they deserve. I've been on a jungle fever for months now, hitting clubs and looking around for Black dancers that look like Beyonce, Nikki Minaj, Nia Long, Gabrielle Union, Jada Pinkett-Smith, Kerry Washington, Damaris Lewis, Veronique Boubane, Meagan Good, etc.

    And, maybe it is true that once you go black you don't go back, because, I'm almost exclusive now in my choice of Black dancers now. I have nothing against white dancers though; my wife is white and my romantic partners in the past have been mostly white girls. But lately, the jungle fever has hit hard and made me almost blind to anything else. And, my experiences with Black dancers has been amazing!

    I think the way Black girls move up to the next level is with glamour, class and confidence. Strive to be as glamorous, classy and confident as you can be, even if it means you have to fake it to make it.
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    jungle fever
    "Jungle Fever"? Really?! That term is very offensive. Thats like referring to black women as animals. Also how tf is that possible when you said you're Hispanic? Do you think you are white? Wow Maybe the other ladies judgement call was correct. Now I think you're totally lying about growing up in the NY inner city. I also suspect that you are white and just said you were otherwise to fit in and contradict the young ladies statement. Thanks for telling on yourself.

    Also I prefer black men. Thats why I'm so glad I web cam. I thought about becoming a provider for a short period of time but the universe stopped me. Too many ignorant white men out there(or ignorant Hispanics who are mixed w black and taino but think they are white somehow-there's no way you grew up in NY amongst black ppl and make a statement like that) who fetishize black women when really they are beneath me. To me black men are my equal and genetically superior to white men. So I guess we can all be prejudice if we really speak with someone long enough. I really feel sorry for the ladies who have to expose themselves to these racist ppl unknowingly. I'll stick to my black kings and web cam. Bye

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    ^ That's the term I've heard often, including from Black people, and I've never heard anyone get offended by it. Most often, it's Black guys that use the term to brag about white girls with "jungle fever" - that got turned to Black. Black dudes like the jungle analogy - mysterious, wild, raw, powerful and dangerous - like a Black Panther. If this term is offensive to anyone, I apologize, because it was not my intent to offend anyone. My own people come from the Amazon jungles of South America.

    I grew up in NYC (91st Street & Amsterdam - housing projects in Spanish Harlem) until I was 14, and then moved to Long Island. I was a shy kid growing up and did not date a lot up till then. By 14, I had only dated two girls and they were both Puerto Rican. When I moved to Long Island, I stepped into a "white" world. I was intimidated at first, because I had never been around white people before, but, it was actually a lot easier to navigate in this world. I did not have to prove that I was a badass all the time and I did not have to carry weapons with me all the time. Most of the girls I met in Long Island were white, so naturally, I dated mostly white girls. My college was in Long Island and that's where I really came out of my shell and slept with a lot of white sorority girls.

    You are such a hypocrite for accusing me of 'fetishizing' Black women when you say you only date Black men because they are "genetically superior to white men". We all know what you really mean. When a person chooses another to be his/her soulmate, it should not be based on color or race or "genetic superiority" - that's not how true love works. If I fetishize Black beauty and sensuality, you do the same... "genetic superiority" is code word for - I am a white girl that loves big black _______ - fill in the blank.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post
    You are such a hypocrite for accusing me of 'fetishizing' Black women when you say you only date Black men because they are "genetically superior to white men". We all know what you really mean. When a person chooses another to be his/her soulmate, it should not be based on color or race or "genetic superiority" - that's not how true love works. If I fetishize Black beauty and sensuality, you do the same... "genetic superiority" is code word for - I am a white girl that loves big black _______ - fill in the blank.
    I'm not reading all that because what I did read was bull shyt. You're just some cracker troll. You've been on here since 2009 & have 2 friends. That tells me a lot. I'm a black female stupid. And yes black men are physically better than a large majority of white men anyone w eyes knows that. Big dyck or little more black men are just better looking and better in bed. Thats why youre mad. I cant fetishize my own men pea brain. Bye troll. I can't argue with a stupid wish he were white Hispanic with Stockholm syndrome.

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    I'm not reading all that because what I did read was bull shyt. You're just some cracker troll. You've been on here since 2009 & have 2 friends. That tells me a lot. I'm a black female stupid. And yes black men are physically better than a large majority of white men anyone w eyes knows that. Big dyck or little more black men are just better looking and better in bed. Thats why youre mad. I cant fetishize my own men pea brain. Bye troll. I can't argue with a stupid wish he were white Hispanic with Stockholm syndrome.
    Not trying to argue or take sides, but I just wanted to say that, as a white woman, I found this offensive. Also, I have eyes, and I have a very different opinion from yours when it comes to men and what I think looks physically better and who is better in bed(I am an escort who accepts all races as clientele). You cannot speak for everyone else when it comes to what looks good, because it is based on opinion, not facts. And, "cracker"? Really? Nice. Sorry, just had to comment. I usually stay away from any and all confrontation, but damn...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julianapleases View Post
    Not trying to argue or take sides, but I just wanted to say that, as a white woman, I found this offensive. Also, I have eyes, and I have a very different opinion from yours when it comes to men and what I think looks physically better and who is better in bed(I am an escort who accepts all races as clientele). You cannot speak for everyone else when it comes to what looks good, because it is based on opinion, not facts. And, "cracker"? Really? Nice. Sorry, just had to comment. I usually stay away from any and all confrontation, but damn...
    I am speaking for myself dear. Where in my post did I say I was speaking for everyone? But facts are black ppl have better genetics as a majority for the most part as a whole and it is evident by the aging process for one thing. There are other things but its way too scientific for the ppl on this board. I said what I said. Im not debating personal preference but as a black woman I prefer my own and I dont have to subject myself to anything else. Take it how you want it. But you had no issue with his racist jungle fever comment. One sided but do you. I could care less what you think tbh. I live my life based on my views. I dont wanna fk who you fk so your opinion is fine by me. Take care. ��
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    Mad? Why would I be mad? You are the one that sounds mad and full of racial resentment.


    I thought you were a white girl who loves Black dick, but, now I see you are a Black girl who is a total racist. Anyone who says they only date their own race, because it is superior to all others (in whatever way) is a RACIST. Shame on you!... If a white girl said she only dated white guys because (in her stupid opinion) they are intellectually superior to all other races,... would you be okay with that viewpoint?


    Whatever baggage you carry with you that fills you up with racial resentment, you need to unload it... and set yourself free! Let's all learn to get along.


    Quote Originally Posted by Willow Summers View Post
    I'm not reading all that because what I did read was bull shyt. You're just some cracker troll. You've been on here since 2009 & have 2 friends. That tells me a lot. I'm a black female stupid. And yes black men are physically better than a large majority of white men anyone w eyes knows that. Big dyck or little more black men are just better looking and better in bed. Thats why youre mad. I cant fetishize my own men pea brain. Bye troll. I can't argue with a stupid wish he were white Hispanic with Stockholm syndrome.
    Women are meant to be loved, not to be understood.
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