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    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post
    You are the one that sounds mad and full of racial resentment.
    Racial Resentment? More like racial pride and awareness of my culture and the historical accomplishments of my ancestors. There is nothing for me to be resentful about. That's the difference between a 'you' & a 'me'. I am Far from a racist. Its more like I needed to give ppl a taste of their own medicine. If I use the word cracker whites and "others" who need whiteys approval are offended but when you ignorant bastards use the word "jungle" referring to black women its acceptable to your ignorant mind.

    I said what I had to say. You need to hang around more educated, socially and historically knowledgeable people instead of the people you've been exposed to because you are ignorant as hell and this is the last time you will get any energy from me. You're someone who admittedly stated that you spent your entire life seeking the approval of white folk. You have a severe case of Stockholms Syndrome and if you dont know what it is I suggest you look it up. (Puerto Ricans are African and Native Indian(Taino) with some Spaniard mixed the same way black Americans are African & Native American with some European mixed in from whatever country conquered our region so you are black (unless you personally are 90% Spaniard which I highly doubt). So the fact that you think you are practicing inter-racial relations when you deal with a black woman just goes to show how Stupid you really are. So please stop replying to me with your ignorance. Educate yourself old man before you enter your grave. Its the least you can do for yourself. Goodbye.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post
    You are the one that sounds mad and full of racial resentment.
    Racial Resentment? More like racial pride and awareness of my culture and the historical accomplishments of my ancestors. There is nothing for me to be resentful about. That's the difference between a 'you' & a 'me'. I am Far from a racist. Its more like I needed to give ppl a taste of their own medicine. If I use the word cracker whites and "others" who needs whiteys approval are offended but when you ignorant bastards use the word "jungle" referring to black women its acceptable to your ignorant mind.

    I said what I had to say. You need to hang around more educated, socially and historically knowledgeable people instead of the people you've been exposed to because you are ignorant as hell and this is the last time you will get any energy from me. You're someone who admittedly stated that you spent your entire life seeking the approval of white folk. You have a severe case of Stockholms Syndrome and if you dont know what it is I suggest you look it up. (Puerto Ricans are African and Native Indian(Taino) with some Spaniard mixed the same way black Americans are African & Native American with some European mixed in from whatever country conquered our region so you are black (unless you personally are 90% Spaniard which I highly doubt). So the fact that you think you are practicing inter-racial relations when you deal with a black woman just goes to show how Stupid you really are. So please stop replying to me with your ignorance. Educate yourself old man before you enter your grave. Its the least you can do for yourself. Goodbye.
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    jungle fever ( non - caps ) is a crude and inappropriate term. I'm older than most here, and I wouldn't, and have never used it.

    But Jungle Fever ( caps ), is a really good Spike Lee movie from 1991, that I've always enjoyed watching. Particularly, because of the cast, which was truly incredible. I'll cut and paste it,

    Cast[edit]
    Wesley Snipes as Flipper Purify[1]
    Annabella Sciorra as Angie Tucci
    Spike Lee as Cyrus
    Ossie Davis as The Good Reverend Doctor Purify
    Ruby Dee as Mrs. Purify
    Samuel L. Jackson as "Gator" Purify[2]
    Lonette McKee as Drew Purify
    John Turturro as Paulie Carbone
    Frank Vincent as Mike Tucci
    Anthony Quinn as Lou Carbone
    Halle Berry as Vivian
    Tyra Ferrell as Orin Goode
    Veronica Webb as Vera
    Michael Imperioli as James Tucci
    Nicholas Turturro as Vinny
    Michael Badalucco as Frankie Botz
    Debi Mazar as Denise
    Tim Robbins as Jerry
    Brad Dourif as Leslie
    Theresa Randle as Inez

    I'd recommend the movie to everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willow Summers View Post
    Racial Resentment? More like racial pride and awareness of my culture and the historical accomplishments of my ancestors. There is nothing for me to be resentful about. That's the difference between a 'you' & a 'me'. I am Far from a racist. Its more like I needed to give ppl a taste of their own medicine. If I use the word cracker whites and "others" who needs whiteys approval are offended but when you ignorant bastards use the word "jungle" referring to black women its acceptable to your ignorant mind.

    I said what I had to say. You need to hang around more educated, socially and historically knowledgeable people instead of the people you've been exposed to because you are ignorant as hell and this is the last time you will get any energy from me. You're someone who admittedly stated that you spent your entire life seeking the approval of white folk. You have a severe case of Stockholms Syndrome and if you dont know what it is I suggest you look it up. (Puerto Ricans are African and Native Indian(Taino) with some Spaniard mixed the same way black Americans are African & Native American with some European mixed in from whatever country conquered our region so you personally are black (unless you are 90% Spaniard which I highly doubt). So the fact that you think you are practicing inter-racial relations when you deal with a black woman just goes to show how Stupid you really are. So please stop replying to me with your ignorance. Educate yourself old man before you enter your grave. Its the least you can do for yourself. Goodbye.
    You should have reported him so that mods can take a look at whats going on. Calling people names like Cracker and Whitey isn't supported here. I too felt uncomfortable by how comfy he was with using the term Jungle Fever but that doesn't mean that I'm going to start calling him names. We are sexworkers in the adult industry but that doesn't mean that we're all okay with the same terms. But some of you "customers" need to be more mindful. Especially now more than ever. You wanna objectify and fetishize women..start a damn blog. Some of the female posters on this board should take notes as well.

    There is so much shit going on and lots of it is spilling over into this forum. But please do not get it twisted by thinking that you can unleash this type of speech here. NO ONE will listen to you or your message when it's coming from an angry place. It's hard enough to get people to listen in the first place so that they will see you as more than just an angry disgruntled black woman. I am so fucking sick and disgusted right now. I'm also tired. Right now my immediate reaction is to ban the both of you. This is a great thread and conversation that's relevant please don't ruin it that.

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    Yeah...... I agree with Willow specifically pointing out how black women are fetishized. I forgot Jack even said he was Puertorican, I thought he was white lol. I've never heard a Puertorican, Dominican not even a Cuban for that matter ever use the term jungle fever lol. And jungle fever is just as offensive as the term cracker was. Both of you just need to step away from the keyboard and cool off a little.

    Black women can use this fetish shit to our advantage to drain wallets even more I don't know how many pockets I break everyday I work because I'm fetishized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhatGirlDynomite!!! View Post
    You should have reported him so that mods can take a look at whats going on. Calling people names like Cracker and Whitey isn't supported here. I too felt uncomfortable by how comfy he was with using the term Jungle Fever but that doesn't mean that I'm going to start calling him names. We are sexworkers in the adult industry but that doesn't mean that we're all okay with the same terms. But some of you "customers" need to be more mindful. Especially now more than ever. You wanna objectify and fetishize women..start a damn blog. Some of the female posters on this board should take notes as well.

    There is so much shit going on and lots of it is spilling over into this forum. But please do not get it twisted by thinking that you can unleash this type of speech here. NO ONE will listen to you or your message when it's coming from an angry place. It's hard enough to get people to listen in the first place so that they will see you as more than just an angry disgruntled black woman. I am so fucking sick and disgusted right now. I'm also tired. Right now my immediate reaction is to ban the both of you. This is a great thread and conversation that's relevant please don't ruin it that.
    True, apologies. I'm not even angry but I can admit I can go to extremes to make a point. Wont happen again or I'll reword it to make it sound more 'politically correct' lol. I agree this is a very important informative topic and at first I was just gonna block the guy and not respond but some parts of what I wrote need to be heard.

    Most importantly and another fact I forgot to mention is a black person in this society cannot be racist only prejudiced. If you think a black person can be racist then you dont know the definition of Racism. Ppl need to educate themselves. Again apologies for going over board. I did not wish to taint the quality of the discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mocha_Sultry View Post
    Yeah...... I agree with Willow specifically pointing out how black women are fetishized. I forgot Jack even said he was Puertorican, I thought he was white lol. I've never heard a Puertorican, Dominican not even a Cuban for that matter ever use the term jungle fever lol. And jungle fever is just as offensive as the term cracker was. Both of you just need to step away from the keyboard and cool off a little.

    Black women can use this fetish shit to our advantage to drain wallets even more I don't know how many pockets I break everyday I work because I'm fetishized.
    Lol, true but the Appropriate term for their fetishization is Goddess. Let em know! ��

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mocha_Sultry View Post
    Yeah...... I agree with Willow specifically pointing out how black women are fetishized. I forgot Jack even said he was Puertorican, I thought he was white lol. I've never heard a Puertorican, Dominican not even a Cuban for that matter ever use the term jungle fever lol. And jungle fever is just as offensive as the term cracker was. Both of you just need to step away from the keyboard and cool off a little.

    Black women can use this fetish shit to our advantage to drain wallets even more I don't know how many pockets I break everyday I work because I'm fetishized.
    Not to negate the purpose of your post but FYI I'm from the Dominican Republic 12 years until I moved to Miami and fetishizing is a thing among Latinos and Afro Latinos. But here in the US it's given a fancy name like colorism instead. It's real.

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    Yeah I knew about the colorism. Sometimes these older Puertorican men will come into the club and call me Carmella, but some of the other girls Negritas. I didn't understand the difference, but he told me it's differentiating between skin-tones. It's practically in every ethnicity/race {colorism}: Asians, Indians, Blacks & Hispanics/Latinos/Latinas. Still never heard a guy from neither Latin ethnic background say J.F lol. Maybe I should get out more after work.
    Quote Originally Posted by PhatGirlDynomite!!! View Post
    Not to negate the purpose of your post but FYI I'm from the Dominican Republic 12 years until I moved to Miami and fetishizing is a thing among Latinos and Afro Latinos. But here in the US it's given a fancy name like colorism instead. It's real.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mocha_Sultry View Post
    Yeah I knew about the colorism. Sometimes these older Puertorican men will come into the club and call me Carmella, but some of the other girls Negritas. I didn't understand the difference, but he told me it's differentiating between skin-tones. It's practically in every ethnicity/race {colorism}: Asians, Indians, Blacks & Hispanics/Latinos/Latinas. Still never heard a guy from neither Latin ethnic background say J.F lol. Maybe I should get out more after work.
    So true even Asians and Hindi ppl go thru it. Globally we have been so brain washed as a human race to hate black when melanin in and of itself is Extremely healthy to the human body. I could go on all day. But even Asians have this stigma that if they are tan or peach colored instead of snow white they are not beautiful enough. Its really nuts. Total insanity.

    When other races do this to themselves within their own ethnicity you get a better understanding of the racism directed toward black ppl. They were taught this ignorance about themselves in their own homes. So its unbelievable to them when they see black ppl loving themselves and their own.

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    First of all, what someone charges going in the door isn't always what they walk out the door with in their hand. Sometimes that rate is just to show the fuck up & nothing more.

    Don't assume because you list one price & it's all inclusive that everyone else works the same way.

    I used to know plenty of gals who charged a low rate just to show up & then negotiated the price for everything else. This was common in Vegas, $250 to show up then way more for other stuff. My Ex ordered a hot big boob blonde, she showed up, took the $250 & said she'd be right back. She had to go to the car & get condoms. Needless to say, she never came back. I laughed so hard at him trying to cheat of me & getting ripped off at the same time.

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    When reading ads, determining anything by them is crazy........ Some agencies will use every description & every price to get men to call & book gals. They really don't care about what you ordered either & just send a person out telling them to make it work & brink back way more money than the asking prices.


    Nor do you know if it is the police setting you up either. You have NO idea who is really placing those ads & who will really show the fuck up.

    Stop pretending all those ads are legit & honestly describing the person who will show up. STOP assuming the ads are placed by the person in them too.

    I've seen ads with Super Models in them charging $200 an hour. Any man who thinks Cindy Crawford, Linda Evangelista circa their early 20s is going to actually show up & be $200 is CRAZY!

    Hell, I've seen ad with my pics but different name and I'm $100 an hour. Called the gal up & asked if she was really the person in the pic. Hilarious to hear her try to convince me she was me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willow Summers View Post
    Nah these ladies are definitely giving up the whole horse for the 50 lol. I know too many dudes. Even my ex once told me that once he called an agency and only paid 60. I was shocked. I was thinking the way you're thinking, like he couldn't have gotten much for that amount. Well he claims he went all the way(protected of course). And working with an agency you know they have to split it half way. Horrible, smh.

    I just dont understand why girls put themselves thru that when theres web camming where you can make anywhere from 100-300 a day. That's really more reason to put your foot down and not even suggest low rates. I see a few ebony cam girls making 300-800 in one day consistently. Of course they had to buy a fake a ss first, but still lol. But this behavior has affected the web camming world for ebonies as well. Its not like when I started a few years ago. Unless you are some freak of nature guys don't spend as much as they used to as often. Some are like why pay 50-100 for a private show when he can get the whole enchilada for that price. The whole industry is affected by these girls poor decisions.

    Just to clarify... you believe men on a cam site & what they say is the truth.......................

    LMAO So then all those marriage proposals were real?
    What about all those millions promised to me over the years by men who never spent a dime on me on cam?

    MEN LIE!

    You don't know shit. How are you not banned when obviously, you are a man & not a real cam girl.

    Men who cam don't buy cam shows because they can go & get laid for $50 to $100. If they can get fucked for that price, they'd be getting fucked rather than logging onto a cam site. Hookers who cost $100 are NOT my competition but they maybe yours.

    Men with money, real money would NEVER see a gal who charged less than $300 per hour as an escort. Men who pay $50 to $100 are always looking to rip gals who charge that little off.

    What I can tell, is you don't know shit about any part of the sex industry, the camming industry or the porn industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StormieKnight View Post
    I think its because there are simply more black survival sex workers. Most likely they cannot afford to sit around for days or weeks for a client. Not everyone has access to that privilege. Its not really fair to ask these women to prioritize "the industry" ahead of their own immediate needs.
    This is some RACIST Bullshit & propaganda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by persianprincess View Post
    I noticed that on sexy jobs also and when I was running an agency girls would come to me and state they were Brazilian yet not know a lick of Portuguese, or Dominican and not know any Spanish. We marketed them honestly and to be fair the quality clients came through. One client would strictly ask me to seek out a model-body black model in every city he traveled to.

    I think the tide is changing however, gradually.
    Sexy JObs should be shut down. If you go to the warning page for the job seekers it is crime after crime after crime against every female who post on there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SnuffleUffleGrass View Post
    In my region the low charging WOC tend to be drug addicted. All the WOC girls I consider peers to me charge more than me, actually.
    Drug addiction has ZERO to do with race. All drug addicts charge very little in order to get their fix. Race of the addict has nothing to do with anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SnuffleUffleGrass View Post
    I kind of don't want to put this in here butttt.............a friend of my brother who lived in NYC during the 1970s bragged that he could "do more" for less with WOC sex workers versus the other options at the time (peepshow girls, girls working out of organized brothels, & strippers.) With older white males there is the stereotype that WOC are oversexed & are looking for a "Daddy" to rescue them from broke single motherhood/ the hood.

    This unfortunately feeds into the trends of WOC charging less & being disrespected.

    These issues happen everywhere. I had a guy back out of a private show after I drove to his house because he was a light skinned Phillipino & thought I was "too brown" for his taste. LOL. Nice. Even my agency boss was laughing out loud at his little boy tantrum on the phone about how I was brown sugary & not paper white.
    NYC was a completely different city in the 1970s. Sex stores, peep shows on every corner even Time Square, rent was dirt cheap & being mugged was a daily event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoneyMachado View Post
    People tell them to. I notice this mindset in sex work circles online, encouraging usually Black women to charge low and be accessible so AT LEAST they get clients. They're not taught how to navigate the higher end markets

    I find the discussions of rate correlated with "worth" interesting and the idea that being desired by rich White men is special.
    ALL Women are told to be cheap............ by whom? Men
    Men will lie & use whatever they can to get over on EVERYONE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willow Summers View Post
    If you've been working for awhile you are on TER. I'd suggest you search the reviews section for your name/Aliases if you haven't already. They talk about every girl who steps her foot in the biz. None of them will tell you they're going to write a review on you or that they're even a member of that site. But a lot of guys will see girls just to review them or just because they liked the previous reviews they saw. If a guy sees a new unreviewed girl they call it "taking one for the team". So offensive, but its part of what we sign up for I guess.
    You are going to school us on TER.............. funny

    Please get out of the sex industry. You are a danger to yourself & other people with the stuff you write.

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    @ PhatGirlDynomite & everybody - Sorry, I sincerely did not know that term was offensive. Like I said, I've heard Black dudes use it bragging about themselves and I've heard it used in the Spike Lee movie and other (non-racist) movies.

    I apologize to everyone and anyone I might have offended with the use of this term.

    I'm open to learning and being schooled on racial sensitivity... I LOVE Black dancers... Does this mean I am I fetishizing them?... Am I objectifying them?... Should I stop getting dances from Black girls until I get over this fetish (or fixation or obsession or whatever you want to call it)?... I am seriously confused right now and need advice on this...

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    I too felt uncomfortable by how comfy he was with using the term Jungle Fever
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    I personally don't think you mean harm since you ask how to be wise about the subject. To me "jungle fever" is not only theme of the 80's movie (maybe the term is a bit outdated) but it's similar to the more current word "swirling" etc.

    If I heard someone say "jungle fever" I'd be like wtf this dude has no clue/out of touch with modern day black culture.

    But As long as your encounters are consensual/not hurting anyone then it should be all good.

    Also striving to learn about other cultures is helpful too. Asking a variety of Black women how they feel about xyz topic before assuming is the best thing to do.

    Also just because a group calls their people certain terms doesn't mean it's a good thing as a person not a part of that group to do the same.

    The problem I see with men "fetishizing" a group of women is when they treat them less than the women of their group of origin. For example men who intentionally seek out minority women so they can get cheap deals or while they claim to "love" minority women they indirectly/directly contribute to the oppression of said women for example they only see minority sex workers (usually in secrecy) while providing generously for Anglo Saxon wives.
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    The problem with the term jungle fever is implies that black people are primitive and come from the jungle until a white person comes along and....you get where I'm going with this? Some may not realize the connotation but there it is.

    Well said MissAP and valid point. Swirling, Down with the swirl is far better way of saying it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willow Summers View Post
    Most importantly and another fact I forgot to mention is a black person in this society cannot be racist only prejudiced.
    Bullshit.
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    what I took willow summers post meaning that while Blacks/People of African decent can feel pride in their culture - or on the more extreme end - as though their race is superior, in the past and current day, they are not able to oppress the Majority European culture/race.

    Maybe in some areas European men feel discriminated against based on race/culture but in the big picture grand scheme the people controlling the laws, wealth, education, religion, etc of this country (and who have the most power) are mostly men of European decent.

    Being "racist" is more about power and oppression.

    There is a disproportionate incarceration of Black and Hispanic, there is racial discrimination in hiring (hence why black women frequently get turned down at "white" and "mixed" clubs once the "quota" is met - if they are hired they are forced into European standards of beauty) (also why this thread exists because Black women are told they are not as valuable and must charge less than their counterparts); media constantly portraying Black women as drug addicts, baby momma, welfare queens, crack addicts, etc.; and there is lack of investment in neighborhoods/schools where minorities reside.
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    Can't base society today on a movie made in the 1980s.

    I can't assume people in high school today are like those in movies like "Grease 1 & 2 or Pretty in Pink" Nor have I yet to walk into "Road house" kind of bars with a hot bouncer who is secretly rich.

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