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    Default Contest are fucking you out of money in the long run.

    Sites whether they are a cam site or video on demand have contest to increase their traffic for very little money. Using the girls with social media to drive traffic and sales with the hope of winning. Which makes you a fool, cause they pay pay affiliates a percentage of the profits for the traffic they bring in for a lifetime.

    So tons of girls posting these contest all over social media cost them very little money, in which only a few will win. The others who put in the effort & time get just their regular pay.

    Better off becoming an affiliate & putting that same effort & time in that way. Then you will always be getting a % of the money from the traffic you brought in

    They go on other boards & brag about all the traffic & money they make from these contest. Ya'll are to easily being played & bought off.

    Considering #daywithoutwomen is about equality, don't we deserve the same ongoing pay for traffic as the affiliates do? Which are usually men.

    NONE of these sites would tell affiliates some of you will get paid & some of you won't. NO, affiliates no matter how small or big want to be paid a percentage of the sales for the traffic they send that converts. How many contest do they have for affiliates like this? Where only the top ones got paid? NONE!!!!!!


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    I agree with you, here.
    If they want to celebrate women, they should give a higher percentage.
    I get 27% and I find it offending as fuck.
    When I see this video, I want to spit the monitor. Makes me feel sick how they tell us "oh we bring high quality customers and invest bla bla bla shit".
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    Default Re: Contest are fucking you out of money in the long run.

    Only 10% of the performers are rewarded by this contest. How is it fair to the other 90%?

    SM & other companies post & answer every question affiliates have on Xbiz & GFY. Yet, ours go unanswered. Does that make ya'll feel equal?
    When are we, the performer seen as equals in this industry?

    Despite so many hard workers on those sites, cam companies & others in the industry still paint all of us as lazy, crazy & unreliable fuck ups. They paint us all with the same brush. Is it to marginalize us? Oh, and we all use Hooker math...


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    Default Re: Contest are fucking you out of money in the long run.

    Cb & MFC both pay 50%, AND their affiliates love them.

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    Default Re: Contest are fucking you out of money in the long run.

    I love contests.
    I dont work them. I might work but Im depending on models hustles. You guys do great work.
    Im not being funny or sarcastic, i was shocked what Christmas contest brought my affiliate leads meanwhile my camgirl suffered. I thank you guys and myself bc Im right there w you as a model but while we suffer, affiliates are banking .

    ETA
    contest on a day for women and movement of women's rights but yet beg for gold from men.
    Im do not define as classic feminist but fuck that bullshit.

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    Erika you are more of a feminist than you ever can imagine.
    Feminism is the right for women to enjoy & want sex as much as a man without the social stigma of being a slut or of lesser value as any other woman.
    It is about equality.

    NOT about hating men, men spread that lie to keep us from equal pay & subservient.

    Contest can be good, but not when it is 48 hours long. It is the length of time that I have an issue with as being unrealistic & cruel. No one is at their best when working the amount of hours it takes to win. We are entertainers & expected to bring our best to each & every time. When awake & working some girls for 24 hours how can that show be her best?
    Staying awake & working for 24 hours or more isn't healthy. Contest for that length of time encourages unhealthy unrealistic work ethics. If they did it for 8 hours, okay. Maybe even 12, but 24 to 48 is cruel.

    When it is for 24 to 48 hours it ONLY has the sites bottom line in mind & not the majority of the people who participate.

    They NEVER would ask affiliates to pull a 24 to 48 hours of work and only pay the top 10% a bonus. Affiliates just would NOT stand for it. Since most performers are female & most affiliates are male I do find it to be sexist.
    I love SM, just want them to be as fair to us as they are the affiliates. SM still has a double standard in how they treat performers & to how they treat affiliates.

    There is also a growing adversarial relationship between cam girls & affiliates. Which cam companies need both of us to profit. Don't see any cam companies trying to fix this growing divide & resentment.

    Affiliates need pics, trailers & Gifs where & how are cam companies trying to get performers to supply them?

    Some cam girls get pissed off when affiliates post on twitter & include them in it. They demand the affiliate post their cam model link in order to use a pic they have previously posting on social media. How can an affiliate make money that way?
    Cam companies are failing both cam performers & affiliates instead of figuring out a way we should be working all together & increasing profits for all of us.

    They should be hooking up performers with affiliates who have the target traffic for that look or niche.

    The lack of communication with cam companies & performers in general seems sexist when they communicate with affiliates all the time. it is the one thing I want to see change think SM is more likely to do it than other cam companies.

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    We're the product, affiliates are the workers, SM is the company. SM is concerned with treating its workers well so they will work harder to bring in more customers. But as far as the product goes, SM doesn't give a fuck. Natural competition between models will make us bust ass and try to be the best product we can be, and if we slack off or refuse to work for less, there will be another cam model happy to take the customer's money. And SM and its affiliates get their cut anyways. They don't have to take care of us.

    I think at the very least SM should encourage and train its models on how to do affiliate stuff (embarrassingly, I myself have no idea beyond posting my cammodel link on twitter). At least show they give a flying fuck about helping us maximise our income.


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    Quote Originally Posted by heyho View Post
    We're the product, affiliates are the workers, SM is the company. SM is concerned with treating its workers well so they will work harder to bring in more customers. But as far as the product goes, SM doesn't give a fuck. Natural competition between models will make us bust ass and try to be the best product we can be, and if we slack off or refuse to work for less, there will be another cam model happy to take the customer's money. And SM and its affiliates get their cut anyways. They don't have to take care of us.

    I think at the very least SM should encourage and train its models on how to do affiliate stuff (embarrassingly, I myself have no idea beyond posting my cammodel link on twitter). At least show they give a flying fuck about helping us maximise our income.
    I recently reached out to someone from SM on skype and I asked about affiliate training for models. I even made a list of questions and follow ups and they were polite, but not really willing to listen. And I was really excited to have their ear for a minute but I had to back off because I was afraid I may appear too aggressive. Overall it was pretty disappointing. Maybe I'll try again because I'm not sure I made my point? I agree that some sort of system that teaches or encourages models to become their own affiliates would be a good thing. Even if it's one of the top SM affiliates willing to hold seminars for models I don't see why SM couldn't sponsor something like that? Other cam companies are starting to do stuff like this. Not everyone can make it to tradeshows to network. However I'm not saying that in the cam industry that all affiliates should be replaced. But many of them seem a bit lost on how to talk to us and vice versa.

    I'm on other forums where I see how some of the largest names in porn are surprisingly clueless as to how those of us who do generate traffic are doing it? So it's not just cammodels who aren't up on things but porn companies realizing that the money is in live interactive streams, or mobile subscriptions on snapchat, kik whatever. They're paying attention but you'd think they would know how to do it themselves? They don't and are now looking to us to enlighten them.

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    Default Re: Contest are fucking you out of money in the long run.

    I for one would love to get into affiliate stuff. I tried to a few months ago, tried to teach myself stuff basically and got absolutely nowhere. The whole thing is foreign to me. I would love it if someone, streamate or otherwise, would start doing stuff to teach models how to do this. Honestly though I dont think streamate wants girls doing affiliate work. I think it comes back to the majority of the industry that isnt the sex workers themselves actually looking down on us. We are just pieces of meat to them, dumb and replaceable. I'm not getting any younger. I wanna do this now and be able to get out of camming. I wish there was some course we could take. I'd pay for it!





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    Being a model vs being an affiliate. I wish in my early years of camming I focused more on my affiliate sales, but now with my plans to stop being a performer I am diving more into the affiliate side of business. There is a whole world out there that I had my toe in and for whatever reasons at the time I didn't give it my full attention until now.

    If you want to stay in business online for the long-term you need to become an affiliate. now that I've found systems and programs and education for that I am never going back to being a full-time performer.
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    Actually, I became both an psychic and adult affiliate because I wanted a bigger piece of the pie. Personally, I was sick of just saying in the background and I decided to become an affiliate as well. Ladies, I hope that you guys become affiliates and get a bigger piece of the adult industry as well
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    Default Re: Contest are fucking you out of money in the long run.

    As long and we are talking SM and affiliate stuff......can I rant?

    It seriously grinds my gears that when SM affiliates bring in business they always get to make money off their sale for ever and ever but when a camgirl brings in business with her cammodel link she only gets to make money until the day she stops working for them. How is that fair?

    I'd switch over from being a cammodels affiliate to a regular SM affiliate but honestly where and who I am supposed to sign up with to do that is confusing to me and I don't have to time to figure it all out. GAH!

    Thanks for letting me rant, I had no idea how much I needed to get that out.

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    Does anyone have any places I can start learning? As I mentioned before I tried to do this myself and I just couldnt find the info I needed. Maybe it's beyond me? It's super frustrating. I dont really want to cam for streamate anymore. I want to start doing this stuff now so when the time comes I can break free of this shitty contest-happy site!





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    Quote Originally Posted by MistressX View Post
    Does anyone have any places I can start learning? As I mentioned before I tried to do this myself and I just couldnt find the info I needed. Maybe it's beyond me? It's super frustrating. I dont really want to cam for streamate anymore. I want to start doing this stuff now so when the time comes I can break free of this shitty contest-happy site!
    The adult webmaster boards have articles on affiliate marketing, but for me in the vanilla affiliate marketing world I've been learning weekly about lead generation and soon I will be learning about buying traffic, soloads, banners ads and Search engine optimization, The information is out there it's a matter learning and implementation to make money as an affiliate.

    Big conference every year is Affiliate Summit, then there are adult webmaster conferences where the affiliates have seminars and trainings on buying traffic and creating websites that are high rich search engine optimization.
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    Quote Originally Posted by justanothercamgirl View Post
    As long and we are talking SM and affiliate stuff......can I rant?

    It seriously grinds my gears that when SM affiliates bring in business they always get to make money off their sale for ever and ever but when a camgirl brings in business with her cammodel link she only gets to make money until the day she stops working for them. How is that fair?

    I'd switch over from being a cammodels affiliate to a regular SM affiliate but honestly where and who I am supposed to sign up with to do that is confusing to me and I don't have to time to figure it all out. GAH!

    Thanks for letting me rant, I had no idea how much I needed to get that out.
    Streamate affiliate program is under MoneyTree and Cambuilder website. They also under other white label network sites as well. NastyDollars was one of them I used for a number of years when I was starting to cam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam38g View Post
    Cb & MFC both pay 50%, AND their affiliates love them.
    CB also lets a bot post videos of all your shows all over a not-to-be named download site that we all know the name of, and does nothing about it....

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    Great post, Samantha.
    Thanks for opening up this topic for discussion.

    For those who are asking for info, I haven't had formal training in affiliate marketing, but my BF is brilliant webmaster & internet marketer and has taught me a lot.

    #1 You need to have other content on the internet, either websites or blogs, to make real money in affiliate marketing. You need to be able to drive traffic hundreds (or thousands!) of new viewers a day to your affiliate white page links. You can create a white page using SM's CamBuilder.com, but if you don't have a way to get guys to find it, you're wasting your time & efforts. NO ONE is going to stumble upon your white page. You must send them there through a link.

    It does no good sending your regulars to your white page, they're already members and you get nothing for people who are already on SM's customer list.

    Being a successful affiliate webmaster is more difficult & complicated than models know. That's why webmasters get paid so much TO SEND US TRAFFIC SO WE HAVE CUSTOMERS IN OUR ROOM. I think my BF said that for every 200 new customers who find our white page, if one actually signs up it would be a surprise. To make a life as an affiliate webmaster we need to either be famous (porn stars like Samantha) or a very popular website/blog that guys are searching for & when they find it use the links to hop over to our white page.

    And newbies are nervous. Is this site safe? How do I talk to the girls? How do I get billed? etc. I know from experience, I have new sign-ups who for whatever reason never take a show. (Ahemmmm.... that's why we should be nice to new members! Otherwise they'll leave & never spend with us) Having a new affiliate customer sign-up, but not take a show, helps no one. Not us models, not the affiliate, not the cam company.

    #2 Social media may find you a few sign-ups here and there, but the best way to build affiliate leads is to build rapport with guys on your website and have every link on your site go to your white page. I've been hammering away on Twitter, using my links like crazy, and in 6 years on SM have only had 2 Twitter sign-ups. For me, Twitter is most productive for letting guys know in REAL TIME that I am on cam RIGHT NOW, so come visit me and take a show. As soon as I log on to cam I post a tweet with my cammodel/white page link right to my room so my regs can visit for a show.

    Does that shed a little more light on how the affiliate thing works?

    It's a tougher gig than you'd imagine, but not impossible! It just takes study and work in a complicated world of ever changing internet marketing & webmaster skills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by justanothercamgirl View Post
    I'd switch over from being a cammodels affiliate to a regular SM affiliate but honestly where and who I am supposed to sign up with to do that is confusing to me and I don't have to time to figure it all out. GAH!
    Cambuilder, bb, aka whitelabels on tap. With some versions of the programme you don't even have to shell out for a domain. Have a poke around the cambuilder site, you'll be surprised how intuitive it is to set up.


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    You were spot on with what I've been thinking about these contests lately Sam! I did marketing years back so I know a few dirty tactics for cheap & free publicity. I might just relaunch my white label and head that route because camming has depressed the hell out of me. I want a bigger piece of the pie...

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    Quote Originally Posted by justanothercamgirl View Post
    As long and we are talking SM and affiliate stuff......can I rant?

    It seriously grinds my gears that when SM affiliates bring in business they always get to make money off their sale for ever and ever but when a camgirl brings in business with her cammodel link she only gets to make money until the day she stops working for them. How is that fair?

    I'd switch over from being a cammodels affiliate to a regular SM affiliate but honestly where and who I am supposed to sign up with to do that is confusing to me and I don't have to time to figure it all out. GAH!

    Thanks for letting me rant, I had no idea how much I needed to get that out.

    this is why i always say that all cam girls should have at least one whitelabel. i feel at the end of the day affiliate sales is the least i can get in return once i retire from cam.. after 4 years i am slowly leaving the industry and i will continue to push my whitelabels once i completely leave. makes my day knowing i may have brought a bit of traffic and made the day of another cam girl!! on my slowest day as a cam girl i still make something as an affiliate and that something may not have been spent on me but the fact it was spent on another lady makes me happy. someone out there got a show....and that's awesome! even on my worst day i'm cheering on other cam sisters. xox

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    Quote Originally Posted by justanothercamgirl View Post
    As long and we are talking SM and affiliate stuff......can I rant?

    It seriously grinds my gears that when SM affiliates bring in business they always get to make money off their sale for ever and ever but when a camgirl brings in business with her cammodel link she only gets to make money until the day she stops working for them. How is that fair?

    I'd switch over from being a cammodels affiliate to a regular SM affiliate but honestly where and who I am supposed to sign up with to do that is confusing to me and I don't have to time to figure it all out. GAH!

    Thanks for letting me rant, I had no idea how much I needed to get that out.
    Wow I hadnt considered that when I stop being a model I no longer get that $$...... I used to always always always use my affiliate link for new clients but then Liz actually asked my why I didnt use my cammodels link cause I make a higher percentage. Now I sort of use both but heavy on the cammodels link. This little tid bit of info is a game changer though cause I want to be making money even if I should stop being a cam model.

    Food for thought! Thanks JAC

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoyKitten View Post
    Great post, Samantha.
    Thanks for opening up this topic for discussion.

    For those who are asking for info, I haven't had formal training in affiliate marketing, but my BF is brilliant webmaster & internet marketer and has taught me a lot.

    #1 You need to have other content on the internet, either websites or blogs, to make real money in affiliate marketing. You need to be able to drive traffic hundreds (or thousands!) of new viewers a day to your affiliate white page links. You can create a white page using SM's CamBuilder.com, but if you don't have a way to get guys to find it, you're wasting your time & efforts. NO ONE is going to stumble upon your white page. You must send them there through a link.

    It does no good sending your regulars to your white page, they're already members and you get nothing for people who are already on SM's customer list.

    Being a successful affiliate webmaster is more difficult & complicated than models know. That's why webmasters get paid so much TO SEND US TRAFFIC SO WE HAVE CUSTOMERS IN OUR ROOM. I think my BF said that for every 200 new customers who find our white page, if one actually signs up it would be a surprise. To make a life as an affiliate webmaster we need to either be famous (porn stars like Samantha) or a very popular website/blog that guys are searching for & when they find it use the links to hop over to our white page.

    And newbies are nervous. Is this site safe? How do I talk to the girls? How do I get billed? etc. I know from experience, I have new sign-ups who for whatever reason never take a show. (Ahemmmm.... that's why we should be nice to new members! Otherwise they'll leave & never spend with us) Having a new affiliate customer sign-up, but not take a show, helps no one. Not us models, not the affiliate, not the cam company.

    #2 Social media may find you a few sign-ups here and there, but the best way to build affiliate leads is to build rapport with guys on your website and have every link on your site go to your white page. I've been hammering away on Twitter, using my links like crazy, and in 6 years on SM have only had 2 Twitter sign-ups. For me, Twitter is most productive for letting guys know in REAL TIME that I am on cam RIGHT NOW, so come visit me and take a show. As soon as I log on to cam I post a tweet with my cammodel/white page link right to my room so my regs can visit for a show.

    Does that shed a little more light on how the affiliate thing works?

    It's a tougher gig than you'd imagine, but not impossible! It just takes study and work in a complicated world of ever changing internet marketing & webmaster skills.

    With all this knowledge, why don't you cut out the middle man and make your own site?
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    IMHO, affiliate webmastering will never be as hard as being a camgirl. It just takes more time and patience to build up the affiliate empire but once it is generating income, it keeps generating. Camming is very disposable and the income is not self sustaining. It's not even guaranteed that you will make anything and even if you do it's a crapshoot whether or not you'll keep the same level of money coming in.
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