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    Default Utah passed a law where pornographers can be sued.

    If you give public shows on cam sites, you might want to block the state of Utah.

    Warned that the GOP would be changing our world. More than likely other states will be passing similar laws.

    There is a story about this on Xbiz http://www.xbiz.com/news/news_piece....&mi=all&q=utah

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    Default Re: Utah passed a law where pornographers can be sued.

    I wonder will CB & MFC change their rules..

    Did they send out notices to the performers?

    How does this affect us & the cam sites?

    What happens when more states pass that law too?

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    Default Re: Utah passed a law where pornographers can be sued.

    And in other news, everyone's browsing history is now for sale. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/0...phone-industry

    Your job will now be public record depending on who buys your specific, targeted, and named browsing profile. You are no longer anonymous by your internet history, you are a specifically named and targeted individual. Wait until the fundies start buying people's porn browsing histories.


    We chipped in a few bucks for this particularly nice "fuck you": https://www.gofundme.com/searchinternethistory

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    Default Re: Utah passed a law where pornographers can be sued.

    If you think politics don't matter, that it will always remain the same. You were wrong. Laws can change. GOP & the christian alt-right wants everyone to only have sex once married & for only procreation.

    You are an independent contractor, the cam companies are NOT legally held responsible for what you do in shows. Notice how quiet they are being on this subject because they don't want to lose the traffic sexually explicit cam shows bring them.

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    Default Re: Utah passed a law where pornographers can be sued.

    Were we ever anonymous though?

    Quote Originally Posted by KatyBoleyn View Post
    And in other news, everyone's browsing history is now for sale. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/0...phone-industry

    Your job will now be public record depending on who buys your specific, targeted, and named browsing profile. You are no longer anonymous by your internet history, you are a specifically named and targeted individual. Wait until the fundies start buying people's porn browsing histories.


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    Default Re: Utah passed a law where pornographers can be sued.

    Utah as in Utah, IDAHOE?

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    Default Re: Utah passed a law where pornographers can be sued.

    Will the VPN stuff affect our traffic & customer base?

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    Default Re: Utah passed a law where pornographers can be sued.

    Utah is one state, but how many will do the same? then what?

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    Default Re: Utah passed a law where pornographers can be sued.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marina Starr View Post
    Were we ever anonymous though?
    By law, yes. They could compile and sell statistics before, but now you, personally, are a "profile" that can be bought and sold to anyone that wants to pay for it. The fine details of your sexual preferences, tastes, religious and political views, what medical conditions you may or may not have - and how you make money on the internet - are now an open book. They further now have the right to collect those details without informing you or making you opt in or out of a hundred different things before you do anything.

    Its already bad enough Google ad bots can kinda-sorta try to target you with ads...imagine if those ads were deeply customized and personal, to include your name. Trying to find an abortion provider? Be prepare to get slammed in real time with fundie bullshit. Trying to research or get some self-help for a psychological difficulty? Be prepared to be labeled a crazy person in your profile. The implications are incredible and go far beyond getting targeted banner ads.

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    Default Re: Utah passed a law where pornographers can be sued.

    theyre looking at doing something similar in the UK - but it's more blocking sites that dont have all explicit content behind age verification v.v

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    Default Re: Utah passed a law where pornographers can be sued.

    Question for Katy or someone well versed in this topic:

    What about clip sites? I sell clips on sites that I cannot geoblock, so should I pull them just in case? Being sued by some bible thumper in Utah is not on my to do list in this life.

    Thanks so much for your input ladies.

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    Default Re: Utah passed a law where pornographers can be sued.

    I honestly don't even see how any of this is even possible LoL
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    Default Re: Utah passed a law where pornographers can be sued.

    Quote Originally Posted by xCamLovex View Post
    Question for Katy or someone well versed in this topic:

    What about clip sites? I sell clips on sites that I cannot geoblock, so should I pull them just in case? Being sued by some bible thumper in Utah is not on my to do list in this life.

    Thanks so much for your input ladies.
    The legal implications of the Utah law are still being looked at. If I were to guess, I'd say its a non-starter on grounds of 1st Amendment - I even seriously doubt it makes it all the way to the Supreme Court.

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    Default Re: Utah passed a law where pornographers can be sued.

    Quote Originally Posted by xxxGothBarbie View Post
    I honestly don't even see how any of this is even possible LoL
    A state legislator & Governor does & they made it a law. They really don't care if you think it is possible or not. Whether or not you win or lose doesn't matter either... cause the lawyer fees you have to pay in order to defend yourself is financial ruin. Do you know how much a lawyer retainer would cost for such a case? Expert witnesses to defend in a case? A $20,000 retainer plus many billable hours, looking at hundreds of thousands.

    Have you read your cam contracts? The site can not be held liable for local, state & country laws that the performer may be breaking while performing on their networks.

    I don't think it affects clip store or solo site owners UNLESS you use sexually material to market that content. If all the pics, trailers & promo material is PG then you are safe.

    Performers who do public shows may want to block that state & insure there are no recording posting on tubesites too. If you only do sexually explicit acts in private then you are safe. MFC, CB, Naked, Cam4, Camsoda all depend upon the traffic from sexually explicit shows in free chat. How does all of this affect those sites, the traffic & legally? Will they even warn the performers of the liabilities that now exist in the state of Utah now?

    What happens when more states pass similar laws?

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    Default Re: Utah passed a law where pornographers can be sued.

    Don't think we can hide behind 1st Amendment.. Who will pay for the lawyers to do so? Who in porn has that kind of bank roll?
    How many cam sites & tubesites are U.S. registered companies? Or do they throw the performers under the bus & not give a fuck, which is what I think they will do. \

    Read the TOS they all have a legal out.

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    Default Re: Utah passed a law where pornographers can be sued.

    That is a good point that if we only do shows in private we are safe. I've wanted to see sexually explicit content out of free chat for years. I don't do it myself, not my style, but I'd really like to see the ass fucking and dildo fucking be reserved for paid privates.

    I don't like this law and it is scary what they are trying to do, but maybe it will change things as far as free chat eventually.



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    Default Re: Utah passed a law where pornographers can be sued.

    I am old, just turned 48. Lots of ya'll are much younger & only know this industry for how it has been for the past 10 years & think that is how it's always been. Laws can change. In the past many adult stores, companies & performers have been arrested & had law suits, some won, some lost & went to Maximum prison for serial killers & such.

    The GOP declared war upon Porn in the primaries. Sessions the AG has declared war on porn several times since being sworn into that office. Laws can change. GOP wants to punish & shame all females for not being virtuous, married before having kids. All through out history there are more liberal times & way more religious conservative times. Guess which phase we are about to go into now?

    It could benefit us if all porn was behind a pay wall, but now we have a customer base who now thinks of free porn as a right. It isn't. Guess who pays the price????????????????? It has never been men who pay the price in these type of circumstances. It isn't them who are going to be sued for watching free porn & sex shows on cam. No, it will be the performers.

    While none of this may seem possible to you, it does the Christian GOP who are in charge. They have the power & the money.

    Don't count on the customers to have our backs. All the GOP has to do is use their browsing history to shut them up & still go after us.

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    Default Re: Utah passed a law where pornographers can be sued.

    California tried to pass the condom bill and they're as liberal as it gets. It's not always conservatives trying to poke their noses where they don't belong.
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    Default Re: Utah passed a law where pornographers can be sued.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sam38g View Post
    A state legislator & Governor does & they made it a law. They really don't care if you think it is possible or not. Whether or not you win or lose doesn't matter either... cause the lawyer fees you have to pay in order to defend yourself is financial ruin. Do you know how much a lawyer retainer would cost for such a case? Expert witnesses to defend in a case? A $20,000 retainer plus many billable hours, looking at hundreds of thousands.

    Have you read your cam contracts? The site can not be held liable for local, state & country laws that the performer may be breaking while performing on their networks.

    I don't think it affects clip store or solo site owners UNLESS you use sexually material to market that content. If all the pics, trailers & promo material is PG then you are safe.

    Performers who do public shows may want to block that state & insure there are no recording posting on tubesites too. If you only do sexually explicit acts in private then you are safe. MFC, CB, Naked, Cam4, Camsoda all depend upon the traffic from sexually explicit shows in free chat. How does all of this affect those sites, the traffic & legally? Will they even warn the performers of the liabilities that now exist in the state of Utah now?

    What happens when more states pass similar laws?
    OH ok I thought you meant all cam sites regardless of if we are in private shows or not would affect us. I don't EVER do free chat sexual crap in public so that's not me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by laurielegs View Post
    That is a good point that if we only do shows in private we are safe. I've wanted to see sexually explicit content out of free chat for years. I don't do it myself, not my style, but I'd really like to see the ass fucking and dildo fucking be reserved for paid privates.

    I don't like this law and it is scary what they are trying to do, but maybe it will change things as far as free chat eventually.
    I agree to this 10000000%!!!!!! Fuck showing shit for free ugh so disgusting. I can't belive there are girls out htere doing it for nothing then whining & crying or having full meltdowns bc they aren't making anything off it. LOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xxxGothBarbie View Post
    I agree to this 10000000%!!!!!! Fuck showing shit for free ugh so disgusting. I can't belive there are girls out htere doing it for nothing then whining & crying or having full meltdowns bc they aren't making anything off it. LOL.
    Without those shows token cam sites really wont get traffic. There are many who bank off of those public shows & don't care what other performers think about them.

    I had two other crazy girls doing some wild stuff in a Crazy Ticket show. CB threw us out of the show into public chat with ZERO warning cause they knew the traffic 3 big boob porn stars, one of whom was bouncing on a dildo up her ass while doing the splits. Everytime I tried to put us back into the crazy ticket show, CB would throw us back into public chat . So I logged off rather than to do a public show like that on my account.

    We had 4000 viewers in free chat. CB & MFC among other token sites biz model can't exist on just private shows.

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    Default Re: Utah passed a law where pornographers can be sued.

    If this law isn't struck down, it would be very interesting to see who they consider legally responsible when the offending content is stolen. If someone records my private (or buys a clip), then posts it on a free porn site, and a minor sees it and ends up suing, who gets sued? The site? The poster?

    Eta: I read the actual bill, and it's incredibly short and so vague that I can't imagine it being considered enforceable. They say that it's fine as long as your site posts a warning about the dangers of porn and makes a good faith effort to verify the age of viewers. However, they don't specify what dangers you need to warn about (warning: you may get cum on your keyboard?). They also don't specify anything about what constitutes a good faith effort to verify age. Do they mean a button where you click to confirm that you're 18+? Or something more substantial?
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    Quote Originally Posted by laurielegs View Post
    That is a good point that if we only do shows in private we are safe. I've wanted to see sexually explicit content out of free chat for years. I don't do it myself, not my style, but I'd really like to see the ass fucking and dildo fucking be reserved for paid privates.

    I don't like this law and it is scary what they are trying to do, but maybe it will change things as far as free chat eventually.
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    Default Re: Utah passed a law where pornographers can be sued.

    Maybe I missed something, but I don't do hardcore in free- does this law affect flashes? Somebody tips to see ass or tits am I gonna be in trouble with Utah lol?

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddiebabe View Post
    Maybe I missed something, but I don't do hardcore in free- does this law affect flashes? Somebody tips to see ass or tits am I gonna be in trouble with Utah lol?
    Who knows who they will go after & for what.
    There is to much porn that isn't behind a pay wall, I mere warning page isn't enough apparently. Free tube sites gutted the industry and none of them are registered in the U.S. so this really isn't a concern of theirs at this point.

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