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    I find all of this to be good news. The more we prohibit sexual content the more lucrative it will get. Sure, there will be an adjustment period and Sam is right, the performers will probably take most of the abuse. I hope it happens quick and fast so we can shut down the tube and token sites for good.

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    I had to delete a lot of post because I 'd like to see this thread stay open. Its an important conversation to have. So please let's keep this on topic.

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    Its already bad enough Google ad bots can kinda-sorta try to target you with ads...imagine if those ads were deeply customized and personal, to include your name.
    Funny that you mention this......... a few months ago I was looking for some personalized coffee mugs for me and my SO (yes, so cheesy I know) and I was on the phone with my sister at the same time. While I'm looking them up on the Walmart site, I notice that they all say [my last name]. At first I laughed and I said to my sis, "omg this is crazy, all the sample mugs on the Walmart website say [my last name] how cool is that?"
    So she goes, "uh, yeah, it's called marketing. They're marketing it towards YOU." That freaked me out a bit (btw I was logged into my walmart.com account so that might have been why?).

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    I thought Utahoe was the state and Idahoe was the city in Utahoe.


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    Default Re: Utah passed a law where pornographers can be sued.

    GOP does not have our best interest at heart. We need to be cautious. We need to see who gets sued & support them financially with donations. The first case shall determine the future of the adult industry.

    Also we need to see what other states pass a law similar to Utah's.

    Conservatives want to punish all women in any way they can. They want to regulate our bodies & sexuality, painting us as all evil temptress that must be controlled. Shria law for Christians is how I see it.

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    That is so true, Sam but they are worse to sex workers. They're against you on the streets but want to be with you in the sheets. The ones that are caught in scandals are almost always conservatives. #smokescreen

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    So where are the parents in all this? Little Johnny was looking at porn. You didn't put any parental blocks on your computer? You didn't lock your porn stash? How does that fall on the actors? And yes, these conservatives are the biggest hypocrites. Too many men depend on porn. I don't really see this going too far. And the industry will fight it with billions, because it has it and it will. As far as regular cam models. Suing most of us won't amount to a hill of beans, so why bother. My guess is porn "stars" would be gone after first. And that right there shoots them in the foot. Why just go after the "name" brands? OH. I see. Money. So this isn't all about saving young men from growing up into sexual perverts- it's all about the money. Case dismissed.

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    Default Re: Utah passed a law where pornographers can be sued.

    Well that's easy to say but many parents are actually way less tech savvy than their kids.

    Trust me.

    As a teen I knew how to circumvent my parents "parental controls" and saw stuff my young impressionable eyes shouldn't have seen at that age.

    Now most kids have mobile devices and parental controls seem like a never ending maze of possible security breeches.

    Parents would literally have to not allow mobile devices, tv, or radio and home school their kids to keep them from being prematurely exposed to adult themed media.

    So on that aspect I kinda agree with Utah a bit.

    As a young adult I watched lots of porn and i can count on two hands how many films showed "safe" sex. This played a role in my decision to have condomless sex and I'm sure I'm not the only one whose thought that way. Of course I know more about the porn industry and their testing, now see porn as entertainment only because most of its not instructional, as well as become more proactive about sexual health.

    At the very least porn should have disclaimers, should not be easy access, and some kind of filter forcing viewers to enter their age or something. If every xxx adult site put their porn behind secure paid membership portals this would be less of a problem.
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    WRONG the industry will NOT fight this with Billions or even Millions. They will throw us all under the bus because performers have always been disposable.

    Most production companies have gone under or been sold to Manwin, who also owns most tube sites. Guess what, they are NOT a U.S. company, they have many shell companies & are out of Canada, Germany, Ireland & not to forget CYPRESS.

    How many cam companies are actually registered American companies? How many are really based & bank out of CYPRESS? Who owns most of the banks in Cypress? Russians!!!!

    Who is there left to go after?

    Read the TOS for every cam company you work with, the TOS states if you break the laws in that area or country they can NOT be held liable because we are all independent contractors.

    If there is a company still making millions in this biz, it is simple they will incorporate to another country. It is naive to think big companies in any industry really pay the price for this stuff. This only affect's American performers, we are a small percentage world wide of the performers on any cam company. It is cheaper to cut all of us off of a site & not take any risk at all for a cam company.

    While it is easy to geo-block Utah for now. It wont be when several other states pass that law too.

    Don't forget the world all assumes we are making bank & deserve to pay them lots of money for being 'sinners' or 'fallen women'. Just like some of you assume these companies will shell out millions to fight this law.

    Let's not forget. Tubesites are where all cam sites now get their traffic. If those tubesites do get shut down, there will be a major drop in traffic & thus our sales numbers.

    The people who own tubesites can still make money without the U.S. market. To drop or block the U.S. is cheaper for tubesites rather than pay lawyers to fight this for them.

    Every cam site will flip on us & turn over our information with a subpoena, don't expect them to protect you.

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    What we have to hope or want is for the cam companies ONLY allow people to see free chat that have registered with an email address & a credit card for age verification.

    No longer allow just anyone to view free chat. Which will great reduce conversion rates, traffic & sales. Cam companies have been VERY quiet in all of this since the law has passed.

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    Your job will now be public record depending on who buys your specific, targeted, and named browsing profile. You are no longer anonymous by your internet history, you are a specifically named and targeted individual. Wait until the fundies start buying people's porn browsing histories.


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    I want to live in another country!! Will phone sex calls be safe from their spying? Also, some of the guys who watch us on the internet could be nervous that THEIR history of watching us and paying us on camsites can be detected too. THAT in itself can affect our business. There will be guys who will always spend money on us not matter what thou.
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    The industry barely raised more than $100,000 to fight the condom law in California. What company is going to pay millions in lawyers to fight this? What lawyer will do it for free?

    Larry Flint is old & rich. He concentrates on his adult stores & strip clubs. He made like $80 million selling his office building in LA. This isnt a first amendment issue. We can still make porn, just not allow sexually explicit images, videos & such to be seen without a pay wall. I dont think the GOP will stop until we are all out of business.

    How many of you use sexually explicit pics on social media for marketing clip stores & your sites? Might want to rethink that & go sexy but pg.

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    I want to live in another country!! Will phone sex calls be safe from their spying? Also, some of the guys who watch us on the internet could be nervous that THEIR history of watching us and paying us on camsites can be detected too. THAT in itself can affect our business. There will be guys who will always spend money on us not matter what thou.
    Run off our customers & put us all out of business. All the keep good Christians from sinning.

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    At the very least porn should have disclaimers, should not be easy access, and some kind of filter forcing viewers to enter their age or something. If every xxx adult site put their porn behind secure paid membership portals this would be less of a problem.
    I agree with this. They should have to enter a valid driver's license. As we all know the credit card thing can be circumvented by prepaid cards. But then, people would cry they're being spied upon. You just can't win.
    As far as the parents not being able to keep up with technology. I disagree. They're the adults. They should be able to outsmart the kids. AND I think technology should make it easier for the parents to do so for those that aren't that smart.

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    I was reading xbiz yesterday looking at white label sites. They HIGHLY recommend that you use a site that has the most American models. So if they get rid of us they get rid of a lot of $$$ too apparently. I have no problem not feeding the freeloaders. I hope they starve anyway.

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    I think cam sites grossly overestimate the power of affiliate marketing to bring in traffic. Sure a few links get clicked on but these camsites have been around for decades now. Any horny guy who likes cam girls already knows where to go without needing some click bait link.

    I guess what will happen is that Internet porn sites will go completely off the internet "grid" when the republicans start going after Google and search engines making them delist all the porn.

    If this happens, Internet porn marketing will become something like trading on the black market where horny guys all use Bitcoin and cash and go to street corner to get a baggy full of porn links that are up for only 24 hours. Porn would really profitable by that point but much more risky to produce and publish. Hackers who are skilled at spoofing and covering up their internet tracks will be in demand. Enterprising cam girls will also learn these skills and make a killing in a very short time because live porn will be the most expensive.

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    Bring back the live peep shows lol!!! Utah seems like one of those stuck in time type places.

    Mare I think you have some good points yeah parents should make efforts to stay up to date on tech security for kids but also I just find it hard to believe they can't verify age more efficiently. Like ask for their ID next to their face like they do the cam models. Men are horny as hell and if they'll show their ID for a beer, cigarettes, legal weed, or strip club theyll show it in exchange for some virtual adult entertainment.

    Currently online porn sites are doing bare minimum to screen out underage viewers (some don't even screen - I believe one of the top porn sites where some cam models upload videos and advertise is pornhub and their free content requires no age verification) and as you mentioned prepaid cards or even "borrowing" a credit card is a loophole that most likely the sites won't close because they fear they may lose profits.

    The cam sites collect waaay more data on the performers than they do the customers. I wonder why.
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    I'm wondering to what degree it's legal for camsites to take on models if they know it's not a legal state/country to do so. You would think they would then have to post that we are not legally allowed to keep Utah on our list of states we serve. I don't care what their contract says. Many contracts are illegal and not enforceable entirely. They have to be responsible to some degree.
    If anything just use a US based site- like sm. I can see where the overseas sites pose a risk. And to that degree if white labels are based overseas we should be able to opt out of them.

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    Example: the GOP wants to defund planned parenthood in order to prevent abortions. They don't care how many women will be hurt without Planned Parenthood. In Texas, they want to pass a law that makes all abortions illegal & a crime. A rape victim can get more time for an abortion in the case of rape or incest than the person who committed the crime.

    The GOP wants to make all birth control illegal by saying anything that prevents conception is an abortion. This means the pill, IUDs and even condoms are seen as abortion methods. It isn't enough for the GOP to just defund Planned Parenthood.

    They are not just going to stop with a pay wall.
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    If we stop working for a cam site any affiliate money we make with the links they give us they stop sending you that money. They don't do that with affiliates if he stops sending them traffic. He gets a lifetime off of those he has brought to the site.

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    I think cam sites grossly overestimate the power of affiliate marketing to bring in traffic. Sure a few links get clicked on but these camsites have been around for decades now. Any horny guy who likes cam girls already knows where to go without needing some click bait link.

    I guess what will happen is that Internet porn sites will go completely off the internet "grid" when the republicans start going after Google and search engines making them delist all the porn.

    If this happens, Internet porn marketing will become something like trading on the black market where horny guys all use Bitcoin and cash and go to street corner to get a baggy full of porn links that are up for only 24 hours. Porn would really profitable by that point but much more risky to produce and publish. Hackers who are skilled at spoofing and covering up their internet tracks will be in demand. Enterprising cam girls will also learn these skills and make a killing in a very short time because live porn will be the most expensive.

    Hacker cam girls will get rich in just a few months and then invest smartly in real estate and the stock market and then travel the world without a permanent address.
    Men on the black market or dark web would NEVER pay for porn or cam shows. They look for ways to hack it & get it for free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LizzyMe View Post
    I want to live in another country!! Will phone sex calls be safe from their spying? Also, some of the guys who watch us on the internet could be nervous that THEIR history of watching us and paying us on camsites can be detected too. THAT in itself can affect our business. There will be guys who will always spend money on us not matter what thou.
    I was wondering about this too? What about the PSOs?

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    California tried to pass the condom bill and they're as liberal as it gets. It's not always conservatives trying to poke their noses where they don't belong.
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    I just wonder when this country will get progressive and start making $$$ off of what's happening anyway. Holland doesn't have a problem with sex workers. I'm sure there's many other places too. Just legalize it and hey, you don't like it- DON"T LOOK. They're making themselves look like pathetic weak asses by saying we can't control ourselves or what goes on in our house.( not the models , but the conservatives)

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    I just wonder when this country will get progressive and start making $$$ off of what's happening anyway. Holland doesn't have a problem with sex workers. I'm sure there's many other places too. Just legalize it and hey, you don't like it- DON"T LOOK. They're making themselves look like pathetic weak asses by saying we can't control ourselves or what goes on in our house.( not the models , but the conservatives)
    We are the most repressed nation. These "lawmakers" need to loosen their ties a little. Men are visual creatures. They are going to find something to get off on, even if it's an old Sears catalog!
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