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    Default Launching a new camsite - Cam2Vanilla

    Hello everyone.

    2 days back we launched a new camsite, built from the ground up, currently in demo mode, so we performers could sign up. The official launch date is set to 15th of May.

    http://cam2vanilla.com

    All performers who will sign up before the launch date, will get up to 70% commission for a lifetime, and all performers who sign up after the launch date will get up to 60% commission for a lifetime.

    If you are interested, you are welcome to check us out, and if if you have any feedback/suggestions your are welcome to contact me. I'm the main developer for the site, so if you would like to see some cool features in the site, I can add them

    Thanks

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    Default Re: Launching a new camsite - Cam2Vanilla

    What does the name mean? I mean I get what vanilla means but what does it mean for your cam site? Vanilla can mean two different things in this industry: 1. Non adult/pornographic or 2. Non kinky/fetish, more mainstream porn.

    I noticed on the "Terms" page it noted three levels of performer "readiness" with one being the typical webcam experience. The other two seem to be non pornographic (or vanilla by the first definition above). This sounds nice in theory but I doubt many customers are going to a cam site for that sort of experience. How and where are you marketing this site to pull in guests who are looking for these three different levels of "readiness"?

    If you're marketing it as a dating platform then prepare for guests attempting to get the models off site at every opportunity. If this is the case, how will you deal with that?

    Some questions based on info I found in the Terms page:

    1. It says in the chat, you may send small size files, for instance, images. Does that mean the guests can send us dick pics in free chat while we're performing? I don't know if that's such a good idea...

    2. From Item 4.1.1 of the Terms page:
    The money paid shall not be returned unless the Client has not received a service due to the Cam2vanilla.com’s fault, i.e. due to a technical problem or if the Performer has failed to fulfil his/her obligations in accordance with the readiness specified in Performer’s profile. Client must submit claim to Cam2vanilla.com Administration within 24 hours by sending e-mail to [email protected] .
    So I take that to mean there will be chargebacks? Is it their word against ours on the complaint thing? Do we have to outline everything that we will and won't do in each readiness level so as to avoid guys complaining that we didn't comply with every whim of theirs? Who decides if we've fulfilled our "obligations"?

    3. Item 3.1.8 of Terms page:
    If Performer is not active by visiting his/her account for 6 months Cam2vanilla.com has right to retain remuneration left in Performer’s account.
    Is this legal? If it is, this is good to know and probably should be prominently displayed on the model back end. It might already be, but just in case it's not, probably should put it there.

    4. I see many mentions of pricing based on rating of the model. Does this mean that we can't set our pricing any higher than a certain amount unless we have a certain rating? If so, what is that amount and how does rating work? I also saw where it mentions pay rate based on level. Then I saw where it talks about level being what effects earnings and rating being what effects placement. So does ratings effect earnings or not?

    5. In item 3.2.2 regarding payment of remuneration, it says we'll be paid twice a month if our balance is EUR 50.00 or over, or within 24 hours after request minus a 2 EUR fee. Does that mean that we can request payout any time even if our balance is under 50 EUR or does the minimum still need to be 50 EUR?

    Thanks in advance for any clarification.

    Oh, and the chat roulette feature seems interesting. I like that you seem to be doing some different things rather than just making more of the same cam sites that are everywhere.

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    Default Re: Launching a new camsite - Cam2Vanilla

    Quote Originally Posted by SpeekaDievs View Post
    All performers who will sign up before the launch date, will get up to 70% commission for a lifetime, and all performers who sign up after the launch date will get up to 60% commission for a lifetime.


    What do you mean by "up to" 70%?

    That could be anything from 0% to 70%. How are you deciding whether to pay 60 or 70% or something lower?



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    Default Re: Launching a new camsite - Cam2Vanilla

    Quote Originally Posted by laurielegs View Post
    [/COLOR]What do you mean by "up to" 70%?

    That could be anything from 0% to 70%. How are you deciding whether to pay 60 or 70% or something lower?
    Hello. Sorry for the long response, I didn't actually notice that the thread was actually posted

    Performer's level is main factor influencing revenue share what will be paid out to performer. Level is calculated at the end of week (Sunday 24.00) and will be applied for next week. In total there are 10 levels. In order to get points from 7 to 10 basic level of all 1 to 6 points should be achieved.
    1 - registration (minimum requirement for starting earn cash)
    2 - filled all fields of profile form
    3 - performer has HD camera
    4 - performer has uploaded at least one professional photo
    5 and 6 - at least 15 hours weekly spent online
    7 - at least 15 hours weekly spent online and compering to all other performers you are ranked between 33% and 66% of all users.
    8 - at least earned 10 EUR weekly and compering with all other performers you are ranked in top 50% of all
    9 - at least 15 hours weekly spent online and compering to all other performers you are ranked between 33% of all users.
    10 - at least earned 10 EUR weekly and compering with all other performers you are ranked in top 25 % of all

    Performers who will join before the 15th of may (just need to create the account, the verification process can be completed after the 15th may) will automatically get the biggest level (10) and a maximum of 70%, while the performers who will join after the 15th of may, will start with the level 1 and a maximum of 60% commission.

    Level 1 = about 45%-50% commission

    So either way, the commission won't be lower than 45%

    If you believe, that this system would be confusing or hard to keep up, we are open to suggestions

    Thanks

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    Default Re: Launching a new camsite - Cam2Vanilla

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsani View Post
    What does the name mean? I mean I get what vanilla means but what does it mean for your cam site? Vanilla can mean two different things in this industry: 1. Non adult/pornographic or 2. Non kinky/fetish, more mainstream porn.

    I noticed on the "Terms" page it noted three levels of performer "readiness" with one being the typical webcam experience. The other two seem to be non pornographic (or vanilla by the first definition above). This sounds nice in theory but I doubt many customers are going to a cam site for that sort of experience. How and where are you marketing this site to pull in guests who are looking for these three different levels of "readiness"?

    If you're marketing it as a dating platform then prepare for guests attempting to get the models off site at every opportunity. If this is the case, how will you deal with that?

    Some questions based on info I found in the Terms page:

    1. It says in the chat, you may send small size files, for instance, images. Does that mean the guests can send us dick pics in free chat while we're performing? I don't know if that's such a good idea...

    2. From Item 4.1.1 of the Terms page:

    So I take that to mean there will be chargebacks? Is it their word against ours on the complaint thing? Do we have to outline everything that we will and won't do in each readiness level so as to avoid guys complaining that we didn't comply with every whim of theirs? Who decides if we've fulfilled our "obligations"?

    3. Item 3.1.8 of Terms page:

    Is this legal? If it is, this is good to know and probably should be prominently displayed on the model back end. It might already be, but just in case it's not, probably should put it there.

    4. I see many mentions of pricing based on rating of the model. Does this mean that we can't set our pricing any higher than a certain amount unless we have a certain rating? If so, what is that amount and how does rating work? I also saw where it mentions pay rate based on level. Then I saw where it talks about level being what effects earnings and rating being what effects placement. So does ratings effect earnings or not?

    5. In item 3.2.2 regarding payment of remuneration, it says we'll be paid twice a month if our balance is EUR 50.00 or over, or within 24 hours after request minus a 2 EUR fee. Does that mean that we can request payout any time even if our balance is under 50 EUR or does the minimum still need to be 50 EUR?

    Thanks in advance for any clarification.

    Oh, and the chat roulette feature seems interesting. I like that you seem to be doing some different things rather than just making more of the same cam sites that are everywhere.

    Hello.

    Thanks for your response. I will try to answer your questions, the best I can, but in advance, i'm not the owner of the site. I'm the main developer, so I don't remember all the small details.

    About the site name, I can't really answer that, because i really do not know, from where the name came from.

    About the readiness. Actually it's just there in case some performers are interested in such non-pornographic experience. We mostly are focusing on the typical webcam experience, and no, we are not marketing our site as a dating platform

    Question 1: Only performers will be able the send some small files in the chat (like images). The users will only be able to send our predefined "emojis"

    Question 2: We cover most of the chargebacks, but if we will se that a performer is somehow involved in many chargeback cases, we will start to investigate the situation. And as I remember, the obligations only are held in the private shows, so for example if the user asks for a specific thing he wants the performer to do, and they both go to the private show, the performer is obligated to do this thing. In any other cases, the performer is not obligated to anything. I will talk to owner and out lawyers, to make this part in the terms more understandable

    Question 3: Actually I haven't seen this line. The terms were changed a little, a few days back. I will talk to our lawyers about this, but i'm not a fan of this. I will try to convince the site owner, that we shouldn't be doing that

    Question 4: The rating does not affect the earnings. The rating only affects your position in the main customer page. The level is the only factor that will affect the performers earnings. There are 3 price categories set automatically depending on level performer has. Level 1 20 Credits per minute. Level 2-4 25 Credits per minute. After Performer receives at least level 6 30 Cr per minute price is set.

    1 credit = about 0.10 euro cents.

    But the price categories are only for the private shows. The performers will be able to hold public shows, based on tips and users will be able to tip the performer, even if she is offline

    Question 5: The minimum will still need to be at least 50 EUR.

    I hope i've made same clarification for you and if you have any other questions or maybe suggestions, don't hesitate to ask.

    Our main goal is to keep the performers as happy as they can be

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    Default Re: Launching a new camsite - Cam2Vanilla

    Hi everyone.

    So today we made a hard decision to move the launch date to the 1st of June. The reason behind this, is because we originally didn't want to open the studio signups, but today we came to an agreement that we actually should allow studio signups. There are still some stuff we need to clear out, before allowing the studio signups, but don't worry, we will open them this week.

    In the meantime you are still welcome to signup and get 70% commission for lifetime

    Thanks for understanding

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    Default Re: Launching a new camsite - Cam2Vanilla

    Hi everyone.

    Today we are opening the studio signups, so if anyone is interested to signup as a studio, feel free to do so.

    There is still one important question to address. What do you as performers, think about CamScore (Rating)? Currently the default performer sorting on our site is based on this rating, but I've seen some discussions, where some performers really don't like it, so we are thinking of removing it, but that leaves us with a difficult task, to think of something different how we could sort the performers in our main page. As always, we are very open to any suggestions.

    Based on different suggestions we also made a decision to add private only feature, so performers could skip the free chat go straight to the private chat.

    We've had some great feedback and suggestions, and I personally say thanks for everyone already signed up and helping us grow.

    The 1st of June, is coming fast, so don't miss your chance to get up to 70% commission (after the 1st of June it will be 50%)

    https://model.cam2vanilla.com

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    Default Re: Launching a new camsite - Cam2Vanilla

    Have a question.. It says I'm at level 10/65% Why isn't it at 70% if i signed up before June 1st?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niafiona View Post
    Have a question.. It says I'm at level 10/65% Why isn't it at 70% if i signed up before June 1st?
    70% commission is payed in private shows, when the show has run for at least 5 minutes.

    So for example. The performer starts a show with the 65% commission and a user comes by and requests a private show. The performer accepts and if the show is running for at least 5 minutes, all payments from user will be 70%

    We will add this information in the performer dashboard by monday, so there aren't any confusions

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    Default Re: Launching a new camsite - Cam2Vanilla

    We've opened to broadcast page for, currently for testing, so feel free to check it out. We are very happy to see the great feedback coming from all of you and we thank you for believing in us. As always, thank you and if you any of you have some questions and/or suggestions, feel free to contact us.

    https://model.cam2vanilla.com

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    Default Re: Launching a new camsite - Cam2Vanilla

    Hi everyone.

    So the 1st of June is just around the corner and we've worked very hard to get everything ready before the launch date. We really appreciate your feedback and suggestions and we want to thank you all for your support

    We will be launching on the 1st of June @ 6:00pm (UTC) so don't miss your chance to sign up and get up to 70% commission for a lifetime

    https://model.cam2vanilla.com

    As always, if you have any questions/suggestions, feel free to contact me

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    Default Re: Launching a new camsite - Cam2Vanilla

    Today marks an important date in the history of Cam2Vanilla.

    We've officially launched our website. In the past few weeks we've worked very hard to get everything ready and we hope you will have a great time in here.

    As always, we say thanks to all the performers who signed up before the launch date and who helped us with testing and suggestions. If you have any questions and/or suggestions, feel free to contact us.

    https://cam2vanilla.com

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    Hello!
    Just did registration. Next week I will start my performances.

    This site looks very good if you compare with other site designs.

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    Default Re: Launching a new camsite - Cam2Vanilla

    So now you can only recieve up to 50% ? -_- Also - it's mentioned that different payment methods are available but there are not listed...
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    Quote Originally Posted by porcelaingirl View Post
    So now you can only recieve up to 50% ? -_- Also - it's mentioned that different payment methods are available but there are not listed...
    Payment methods are listed in the account settings. Currently we support Paxum and ePayments.

    As for the commission, we are working on some big changes with out level system, so there is a chance that the 70% commission will come back. I will keep you updated.

    This first month has been pretty slow for us, because our advertisement failed, so we've stopped it. We are working on some new major features on our site and we've got some great new advertisement deals. So basically we will be "relaunching" our site in the 17-18th of July

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    Default Re: Launching a new camsite - Cam2Vanilla

    So the first month for us, have been tough. The first advertising campaign failed and we didn't manage to get any decent traffic. But hey, you learn from your mistakes I guess. So now we've been talking with CrakRevenue, and we've made a deal, so they will do the advertising for us.

    So, about the changes to the site.

    I have rewritten the entire broadcasting page from ground up and I've added support for external encoders. This means, that no longer performers will be obligated to you the old flash encoder, which was slow and with really bad quality. Performers can use their favourite encoding software like OBS studio or Wowza GoEncoder for smartphones.

    We've added social network account linking. Currently you can link your twitter account with your cam2vanilla account and we will automatically post tweets to your twitter account when you go online, write a wall post or upload a photo. You can define your own tweets and you can even disable the auto tweeting if you want to.

    We've removed the level system completely and replaced it with a reward system. Now all the performers don't have to worry about their level decreasing and losing their commission. Simply if you complete 4 simple tasks on the site, you will get your maximum commission and it will stay that.

    The tasks are

    - Filled profile
    - Uploaded at least 3 photos
    - Linked Twitter account
    - Have at least one approved widget

    For each completed task the performer will get +1.8% (+2.6% if signed up before the 1st of June) There is one additional task which if completed will add commission for the next week, and that is the time spent online. So basically if the performer is online at least 14 hours for the week, in the next week the performer will get additional 1.8%/2.6% to their commission. Additionally we will reward our most loyal and best performers with even more commission bonuses.

    The rating system also got some changes. As previous the rating will be calculated mostly for the time spent online. For every hour online, the performer will get +5 points to the rating, but now every wall post, like or comment will give 1 additional point to the rating. The ratings are calculated every 3 hours. If the performer doesn't go online for at least a minute, since the last recalculation, the rating will drop by 3 points. Just to keep everything fare, the rating for every performer will be reset randomly every month.

    Some changes that will be coming after the 17th of July (estimated).

    We will be starting a new advertising campaign, together with CrackRevenue. The advertising campaigns will probably run between 9PM and 3AM (UTC) and in that time we will be paying a fixed hourly price 0.50$ for the first 10 performers online. I know that 0.50$ isn't much, but well at least it's something. You still can leave our site running in the background and splitcam with another site. If it will run well we will increase the price and performer count.

    Additionally the referral system will be getting some changes. As previous the performers will get 5% for every spent credit by the referred user, but now they will get 1-5$ (based on referred user count) for every first purchase. The users will also get some good first purchase bonuses.

    We really want you to know, that performers will always by our top priority, so all the chargebacks and refunds will always be on me, you don't have to worry about them. We will never tolerate users who demand performers doing stuff they don't want to, and those users will always be banned.

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    Default Re: Launching a new camsite - Cam2Vanilla

    Just a little announcement.

    Today (2nd of August) we will be relaunching our site. We've got some new advertising campaigns ready and we will be pushing traffic directly to performer rooms.

    Additionally we will start paying performers 0.50 EUR for every hour they spend online (from 21:00 UTC to 03:00 UTC). Just remember that only the first 10 performers who come online will be eligible to the hourly payment. If I will see interest in the hourly payment, I will gladly increase the price and eligible performer count

    Now the performers will get 1-2 EUR for every referred user who buys whichever credit package they want.

    0-4 referred users = 1 EUR
    5-9 referred users = 1.50 EUR
    +10 referred users = 2 EUR
    Additionally performers will get 5% of their referred user spendings and 5% of their referred performer earnings for a lifetime

    You can find your referral links in your dashboard. They will automatically redirect users to your chat room

    And of course, if I will see an interest in these referral bonuses, I will increase the prices

    So, feel free to check us out tomorrow. Stay awesome

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    Great news.

    I've increased the hourly pay to 1EUR for every hour spent online between 21:00 - 03:00 (UTC)

    For the weekend I will also increase the ad campaign, so there should be even more incoming traffic

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpeekaDievs View Post
    Great news.

    I've increased the hourly pay to 1EUR for every hour spent online between 21:00 - 03:00 (UTC)

    For the weekend I will also increase the ad campaign, so there should be even more incoming traffic
    What's the commission now for starting models? Also is hourly commission still a thing? If so how much are you paying now? Anyone sign up here? If so how's it going?
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    Quote Originally Posted by takiaya View Post
    What's the commission now for starting models? Also is hourly commission still a thing? If so how much are you paying now? Anyone sign up here? If so how's it going?
    Currently we up to 50% commission and yes hourly pay is still enabled. We currently pay 1 eur per every hour spent online. Loyal performers can even get up to 70% commission

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    This site is ghost town unless everyone gets on in the morning.

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