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    So tipping is a little more divisive than I thought it would be. I honestly tip most workers in the service industry. I think there is an expectation of service offered and since we don't have standardized pay, offering a tip is a way to "level" the playing field if you will. I don't see Best Buy or Car Dealers as even remotely similar and in fact they offer benefits that I assume most dancers don't get as dancers are 1099 or contract employees. Therefore tipping a good dancer is assisting her with healthcare, gym membership, Costco etc or whatever other benefits as well allowing her to contribute to future endeavors or retirement. Same thing with a waitress or bartender imo, just better looking legs and more smiles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    I think goth Barbie was referring to mr mikes quote of gameover. I don't think she was talking about mr mike.

    I question his post too.

    I don't get why some of the men here are comparing dancers to car salespeople and Best Buy salespeople. They are selling inanimate objects, they get paid salary, they are fully clothed, and they aren't charged fees to work there! Not the same.

    Plus these sales people make base salary and sales commissions and technically don't need tips. The "tip" is probably factored in to their commission. If they do go above and beyond (like lifting a 50 in in your truck in 90 degree weather) I'm sure some people have tipped/gifted them.

    Dear Gameover and Mustafa,
    I have a sexy new TV and Car I'd like to introduce you to. You both will have such a great time. Can even get you a hybrid if you nasty. Wait till you get a load of those magnificent parts. And guess what? Tipping not required.
    I disagree. In both cases I am doing business with two people who are being paid to perform a job function. The best buy employee agreed to work for a certain amount per hour to sell product for the store.

    A dancer has made an agreement with the club to pay a certain house fee, and/or portion of VIP/dance fees for the right to perform in the club. The club specifies the standard prices for dances or VIP, which you agreed to when you chose to work at that club. Those fees are a dancer's cost of doing business. When I go to best buy, they don't request that I pay more to help offset their A/C costs. That's already factored in to the cost they charge for the TV.

    In the same way, a dancer's fees are not my concern. Those fees are already factored into the price I am paying for the dances. For the price, I expect a sexy fantasy dance for which I pay the agreed upon price. If the dance is not sexy, I just won't buy further dances from the dancer. For me, the agreed upon price is for a sexy fantasy dance, so I won't tip extra for what I already purchased.

    I suppose I have become somewhat guarded against dancer wiles, since I have been going to clubs long enough to see many different dancer ploys to separate me from my money.

    I think a lot of guys tip extra hoping the dancer will go out with them. I have both dated dancers and had SD/SB relationships with them outside of the club. And frankly, it's been just too much drama for me, that I have no desire to pursue those now.

    I much prefer just finding a dancer I like and arranging an OTC arrangement with no additional responsibilities beyond each meeting. I have fun, they get paid, and I keep my regular relationships separate from the clubs. The strip club is a wonderful place for vetting future OTC hookups. I already get swarmed by dancers when I go to a club, and not tipping extra for a standard strip club lap dance certainly hasn't dampened the dancers' enthusiasm for me, in my experience.

    I don't begrudge a dancer from trying to maximize her earnings. If she can get guys to tip extra for a standard dance, more power to her.

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    I can see where my original post did make me sound a little bitter. I am not cheap and I do tip waitresses and bartenders wherever I go.

    Yes, there is the whole benefits thing that dancers don't get being independent contractors and not employees. In regards to car salesmen, last I knew they work on 100% commission. They don't have a salary or an hourly wage. They just get a percentage of the profit from each car sale they make, usually in the range of 25-35%. And when I say profit, that would not be the sticker price for the vehicle, either. Most car salesmen don't make sales simply just by approaching a customer and asking them "Wanna buy a car?". I've been to clubs where almost every dancer's approach is to just walk up to the customer and ask them "wanna dance?".

    In the past I have gotten dances with some that use the "wanna dance?" approach, and every time the dance was very tame, like they weren't into it. Those are the ones where I just pay for the dance and don't give them a tip. As a result I now politely turn away those that use the "wanna dance?" approach. I am more likely to buy dances from a dancer that will sit and talk to me for a little bit. It does not have to be very long, just 5 minutes is enough. I have found that the ones that will chat with me for a little bit will give me better dances. If the dancer does a very good job of convining me that she really enjoys dancing for me, that is enough for me buy several dances and give her a nice little tip afterwards.

    Being the customer, I see nothing wrong with choosing how to spend my money. I do bring a decent amount of cash when I go to a club, and I am willing to spend it. I just prefer to spend my money on the ones that I find to be both attractive and a good hustler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gameover View Post
    I disagree. In both cases I am doing business with two people who are being paid to perform a job function. The best buy employee agreed to work for a certain amount per hour to sell product for the store.

    A dancer has made an agreement with the club to pay a certain house fee, and/or portion of VIP/dance fees for the right to perform in the club. The club specifies the standard prices for dances or VIP, which you agreed to when you chose to work at that club. Those fees are a dancer's cost of doing business. When I go to best buy, they don't request that I pay more to help offset their A/C costs. That's already factored in to the cost they charge for the TV.

    In the same way, a dancer's fees are not my concern. Those fees are already factored into the price I am paying for the dances. For the price, I expect a sexy fantasy dance for which I pay the agreed upon price. If the dance is not sexy, I just won't buy further dances from the dancer. For me, the agreed upon price is for a sexy fantasy dance, so I won't tip extra for what I already purchased.

    I suppose I have become somewhat guarded against dancer wiles, since I have been going to clubs long enough to see many different dancer ploys to separate me from my money.

    I think a lot of guys tip extra hoping the dancer will go out with them.
    Fair enough however,

    You tip waitresses no? You tip pizza delivery? You tip your barber? I'm sure there are many instances where you tip for "what you already purchased"

    You literally acting like tipping a few dollars is going to sever your left nut or something.

    And according to you, you only tip for extras. But I bet you don't expect extras from the Best Buy salesperson or the the pizza delivery person or the barber or the waitstaff after you tip them.

    Just because a person agreed to something doesn't make it any less oppressive when a) no customers come through and the dancers leave in the red on occasion b) when club owners change the terms/fee increases with no warning/consulting/etc. Perhaps that's their only line of income or that's all the qualifications they have at the moment or that's the only club in the city.

    Amd you're misinterpreting what I said. I didn't say the customers should be responsible for dancer fees. If that's what I thought, the pity hustle would be used and I've posted in the past I'm against pity hustles. And the tip would be factored into the dance but it's not (especially clubs that force dancers to charge a nonnegotiable flat fee). Whereas I'm certain Best Buy factors in overhead in the cost of every single item.

    I'm saying offsetting the fees is one reason why dancers are very open to accepting tips (even on standard non extras dances). I'm also saying that male customers have a brotherhood of sorts with male owners/managers who are open to feedback/making changes to club rules if numerous customers suggest the same thing.

    You may have seen a lot in clubs but at the end of the day the women there are humans not just objects for your pleasure.

    And I don't think tips should be used as bribes for extras - but if people want to pay extra/get paid extra for extras then that's on them.

    And yes, some men tip solely out of generosity without expecting anything any return.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    Fair enough however,

    You tip waitresses no? You tip pizza delivery? You tip your barber? I'm sure there are many instances where you tip for "what you already purchased"

    You literally acting like tipping a few dollars is going to sever your left nut or something.

    And according to you, you only tip for extras. But I bet you don't expect extras from the Best Buy salesperson or the the pizza delivery person or the barber or the waitstaff after you tip them.

    Just because a person agreed to something doesn't make it any less oppressive when a) no customers come through and the dancers leave in the red on occasion b) when club owners change the terms/fee increases with no warning/consulting/etc. Perhaps that's their only line of income or that's all the qualifications they have at the moment or that's the only club in the city.

    Amd you're misinterpreting what I said. I didn't say the customers should be responsible for dancer fees. If that's what I thought, the pity hustle would be used and I've posted in the past I'm against pity hustles. And the tip would be factored into the dance but it's not (especially clubs that force dancers to charge a nonnegotiable flat fee). Whereas I'm certain Best Buy factors in overhead in the cost of every single item.

    I'm saying offsetting the fees is one reason why dancers are very open to accepting tips (even on standard non extras dances). I'm also saying that male customers have a brotherhood of sorts with male owners/managers who are open to feedback/making changes to club rules if numerous customers suggest the same thing.

    You may have seen a lot in clubs but at the end of the day the women there are humans not just objects for your pleasure.

    And I don't think tips should be used as bribes for extras - but if people want to pay extra/get paid extra for extras then that's on them.

    And yes, some men tip solely out of generosity without expecting anything any return.
    Sure, I tip those. Waitresses earn less than minimum wage. Their salary assumes tipping will occur.

    You are comparing someone who's wages are, say $5 per hour, with a dancer who earns $30 for a 3 minute song. For one hour of dancing, that's a theoretical maximum of $600/hour. Yes, yes, I know you don't dance continuously. But that waitress earns only about 25 cents in the same three minutes where you earn $30.

    I don't expect to lose a left nut tipping, but I did overtip once, and my left nut was sore for several days.

    I'm just saying that I think dancers are well compensated for removing their tops. I wish I got paid that well for taking my top off at the beach.

    I just think it is silly for guys to ask dancers, gee, should I tip a dancer? Like, what answer do you think you are going to get?

    As someone who has been to a strip club for a number of years, I'm just trying to contribute to my, as you put it, "brotherhood", to prevent my fellow man from wasting money tipping in a strip club. Dancers are already well compensated, and the quality of service you get from a dancer won't vary significantly depending on whether you tip or not.

    That said, if guys still want to tip, and you can convince them to do so, more power to you. But I must protect the brotherhood, and try to save those who can be saved

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    Booo .... "save" yourself but impeding on someone else generosity = hater.

    Wasting money tipping?!? It's not like they are spendIng their life savings or writing dancers into their wills - it's only a tip, a few extra dollars. I bet You'd toss a homeless person a couple extra dollars no questions asked.

    I wasn't comparing salaries, although there are some similarities but I bet some waitresses in high end restaurants/steakhouses could pull in nightly earning similar to exotic dancers, but your concept of "tipping for something you already paid for" and the fact you tip all the other humans in the service industry except dancers.

    Insert puzzled look emoji here.

    And you wishing you could make money taking your shirt off. Well you probably could at a male strip club or working chippendales or with a sugar mommy who finds you attractive. Plus, It's not just taking your shirt of that earns money. It's conversation, exuding sensuality, enduring the stigma, sharing an intimate part of yourself with a number of strangers. - Those vanilla salespeople don't have to tackle any of these challenges.

    Now I'm curious what area are your clubs and what industry/career you work. I bet majority of the men who walk through the club still make more than dancers so the tip is not going to kill them, it won't even put a dent in their wallet. The average stripper is making $200-$500/shift working 6 hours. At the max $500 for 6 hours that equals approximately $83/hr. Some make more, some make less. And Like you say, they are most likely not getting continuous customers every second of every hour.

    Your comments sound somewhat oppressive - like tuscl worthy content.

    But, If that's how you feel that's your opinion though. Carry on.
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    Certain situations I'll tip.

    If we're talking and having a great, fun conversation, I'll tip. If her dances are amazing (doesn't have to be extras), I'll tip. But if she's just hot, without any connection or personality I may keep buying dances, but I won't tip.

    This may sound crass, but I'm paying for her body and dance, and tipping for her personality. Basically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    Booo .... "save" yourself but impeding on someone else generosity = hater.

    Wasting money tipping?!? It's not like they are spendIng their life savings or writing dancers into their wills - it's only a tip, a few extra dollars. I bet You'd toss a homeless person a couple extra dollars no questions asked.

    I wasn't comparing salaries, although there are some similarities but I bet some waitresses in high end restaurants/steakhouses could pull in nightly earning similar to exotic dancers, but your concept of "tipping for something you already paid for" and the fact you tip all the other humans in the service industry except dancers.

    Insert puzzled look emoji here.

    And you wishing you could make money taking your shirt off. Well you probably could at a male strip club or working chippendales or with a sugar mommy who finds you attractive. Plus, It's not just taking your shirt of that earns money. It's conversation, exuding sensuality, enduring the stigma, sharing an intimate part of yourself with a number of strangers. - Those vanilla salespeople don't have to tackle any of these challenges.

    Now I'm curious what area are your clubs and what industry/career you work. I bet majority of the men who walk through the club still make more than dancers so the tip is not going to kill them, it won't even put a dent in their wallet. The average stripper is making $200-$500/shift working 6 hours. At the max $500 for 6 hours that equals approximately $83/hr. Some make more, some make less. And Like you say, they are most likely not getting continuous customers every second of every hour.

    Your comments sound somewhat oppressive - like tuscl worthy content.

    But, If that's how you feel that's your opinion though. Carry on.
    I'm not hating on anyone. I want dancers to thrive. I love strip clubs, or I wouldn't be here.

    That being said, America has lost a lot of good paying jobs, so alot of guys that earned much more money in the past, are now earning less. That 3 minute $30 dancer for you might cost the guy 1-2 hours of work. That $83 dollars an hour works out to $175,000 annually, and is certainly more than most men in a strip club earn per year.

    The implications being presented by some dancers is that if you tip well above and beyond the price of the dance, the dancer will "like" you or the dance will be "sexier". The dancer will certainly be fast to approach over-tipping customers because of the likelihood of earning more dollars, but that's the extent of the impact in most cases.

    Guys in strips clubs are thinking with the little heads, and are very vulnerable to a pretty half-naked girl dancing in front of them. I know from personal experience.

    I'm not trying to hurt the dancers. But I want the club to be a win/win for everyone, but the club is not a level playing field. Beer + Naked Girl + LIttle Head = Dented Wallet.

    Don't be greedy, let the poor guys go home with a few bucks in their pockets.

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    I can see it from both angles, and there are valid points from both sides.

    I myself have been going to clubs for close to 7 years and I have become immune to a lot of the hustle techniques that are out there. Therefore, I don't just dispense money like a walking, talking ATM. A girl has to work if she wants my money. If I don't feel the connection, I will let her down politely so she can go seek someone that may be willing to spend their money on her. That doesn't mean I am cheap. It just means that I'm not a sucker that's completely desperate for female attention. Going to the club for me is just for fun and entertainment.

    It just seems that at some of the clubs I frequent the girls don't understand that a little effort beyond just asking for a dance may yield better results.

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    I've never been "greedy". Asking for tips (10-20%) is far from greedy. I'm actually not a fan of dancers straight up asking for tips (unless the actions of the customer warrants it) because in service industry tip is not mandatory under most conditions. But if the customer is out of control intoxicated or pervy then tip is automatic.

    Dancing is not simply woman showing up, flashing tits, and leaving each night with hundreds. It is more work and effort than that. Like mentioned earlier it's sales, seduction, intimacy, energy, and some clubs pole skills. This right here is work however, I don't think a dancer should have to "work" like a slave and jump through hoops to satisfy tight walleted men to earn though.

    Greed is draining a persons bank account till they have nothing for themselves. Greed is self serving. I actually believe in win-win transactions.

    And I doubt the men posting here are poor Cause if they were I doubt they'd be on the internet or in the club.

    How did you come up with $175k/year? You're forgetting most dancers work part-time. Dancing income varies and only cities like Atl, Houston, vegas, New York, etc are dancers easily pulling in multiple six figures working part time.

    If they're not in these cities where strip clubs thrive and are accepted by local law, working part time, then they are most likely performing extras or some other adult related career or some other vanilla career to meet that 175k number you put out.

    Lots of cities are hit hard by the local ordinances (created to drive clubs/dancers out of business) which severely impact dancer earning to where many of them also have second incomes outside of dancing.

    Also deduct cost of self-employment taxes and benefits (health, disability, life insurance, retirement) and expenses (commuting to club, costumes, makeup, hair, nails, etc) from that number.

    I'm not a fan of scheming lazy dancers nor am I a fan of extreme miserly customers trying to get the most "bang for their buck" or see how hard they "work for a dollar"

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    I'm not hating on anyone. I want dancers to thrive. I love strip clubs, or I wouldn't be here.

    That being said, America has lost a lot of good paying jobs, so alot of guys that earned much more money in the past, are now earning less. That 3 minute $30 dancer for you might cost the guy 1-2 hours of work. That $83 dollars an hour works out to $175,000 annually, and is certainly more than most men in a strip club earn per year.

    The implications being presented by some dancers is that if you tip well above and beyond the price of the dance, the dancer will "like" you or the dance will be "sexier". The dancer will certainly be fast to approach over-tipping customers because of the likelihood of earning more dollars, but that's the extent of the impact in most cases.

    Guys in strips clubs are thinking with the little heads, and are very vulnerable to a pretty half-naked girl dancing in front of them. I know from personal experience.

    I'm not trying to hurt the dancers. But I want the club to be a win/win for everyone, but the club is not a level playing field. Beer + Naked Girl + LIttle Head = Dented Wallet.

    Don't be greedy, let the poor guys go home with a few bucks in their pockets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMike1952 View Post
    Very good point. One of the reasons I continue to drop by this site, even though I don't visit strip clubs as much, is because there really are a lot of thoughtful and insightful people here. (Harder to find those dancers when visiting the clubs).
    Because they're trying to work.

    P.S. Best Buy (and other service industry employees) work off spiffs. They push you towards a certain product in their sales pitch because they get a commission from selling certain products. That is their tip on top of their salary.

    Anyway, if the few extra bucks to let the girl know you appreciate her time and effort (like literally, people are saying $5 tips) are out of your price range maybe you should reconsider going to clubs since the drink is going to cost you more than that.

    Also, someone told strippers not to be greedy and let the guy go home with some money. Fair enough, but let's turn that around - you, customer, don't be greedy and let the girl go home with a little dignity and the ability to pay her bills a bit easier. Is it not greedy to expect a girl to go above and beyond for less than you paid on drinks? If the guy doesn't want to spend the money he brings, maybe he should bring less. It is not these women's responsibility to be your accountant; and if that is what you're looking for you oughta find a findomme who you'll sign all of your checks over to so she can give you a reasonable allowance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gameover View Post
    Sure, I tip those. Waitresses earn less than minimum wage. Their salary assumes tipping will occur.

    You are comparing someone who's wages are, say $5 per hour, with a dancer who earns $30 for a 3 minute song. For one hour of dancing, that's a theoretical maximum of $600/hour. Yes, yes, I know you don't dance continuously. But that waitress earns only about 25 cents in the same three minutes where you earn $30.

    I don't expect to lose a left nut tipping, but I did overtip once, and my left nut was sore for several days.

    I'm just saying that I think dancers are well compensated for removing their tops. I wish I got paid that well for taking my top off at the beach.

    I just think it is silly for guys to ask dancers, gee, should I tip a dancer? Like, what answer do you think you are going to get?

    As someone who has been to a strip club for a number of years, I'm just trying to contribute to my, as you put it, "brotherhood", to prevent my fellow man from wasting money tipping in a strip club. Dancers are already well compensated, and the quality of service you get from a dancer won't vary significantly depending on whether you tip or not.

    That said, if guys still want to tip, and you can convince them to do so, more power to you. But I must protect the brotherhood, and try to save those who can be saved
    I stopped reading at $600/hour lmao! Hold this L and just accept you don't know what you're talking about, neither do you have the comprehension to get this concept through your thick hollow skull. If you're broke just accept it and stay out the club, it's a luxury service not a necessity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gameover View Post
    That 3 minute $30 dancer for you might cost the guy 1-2 hours of work.
    On the flip side, that $30 dance he bought doesn't include the 45 minutes he spent "getting to know her" before he breaks his bank for that 1 dance...

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    ^^^nor does it account for the fact he's going to earn 7 times that right back if he shows up the very next day at work for a 7-8 hour shift.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    I've never been "greedy". Asking for tips (10-20%) is far from greedy. I'm actually not a fan of dancers straight up asking for tips (unless the actions of the customer warrants it) because in service industry tip is not mandatory under most conditions. But if the customer is out of control intoxicated or pervy then tip is automatic.

    Dancing is not simply woman showing up, flashing tits, and leaving each night with hundreds. It is more work and effort than that. Like mentioned earlier it's sales, seduction, intimacy, energy, and some clubs pole skills. This right here is work however, I don't think a dancer should have to "work" like a slave and jump through hoops to satisfy tight walleted men to earn though.

    Greed is draining a persons bank account till they have nothing for themselves. Greed is self serving. I actually believe in win-win transactions.

    And I doubt the men posting here are poor Cause if they were I doubt they'd be on the internet or in the club.

    How did you come up with $175k/year? You're forgetting most dancers work part-time. Dancing income varies and only cities like Atl, Houston, vegas, New York, etc are dancers easily pulling in multiple six figures working part time.

    If they're not in these cities where strip clubs thrive and are accepted by local law, working part time, then they are most likely performing extras or some other adult related career or some other vanilla career to meet that 175k number you put out.

    Lots of cities are hit hard by the local ordinances (created to drive clubs/dancers out of business) which severely impact dancer earning to where many of them also have second incomes outside of dancing.

    Also deduct cost of self-employment taxes and benefits (health, disability, life insurance, retirement) and expenses (commuting to club, costumes, makeup, hair, nails, etc) from that number.

    I'm not a fan of scheming lazy dancers nor am I a fan of extreme miserly customers trying to get the most "bang for their buck" or see how hard they "work for a dollar"
    Miss, I understand that dancing is hard work, and you sound very professional. I'm sure I'd enjoy your company in the club, even if you wouldn't enjoy mine. But the range of dancers you meet in a club is quite different from those you encounter on this web site. Many are quite ruthless in going after customer cash, and think nothing of lying and deceiving to empty the wallets of the customers. I think customers need to be hardened a bit to avoid being taken advantage of in the clubs. Because some dancers are almost predatory in their pursuit of a customer's last dollar, and I think they do harm to the dancer community as a whole.

    I'm just trying to provide advice that I think allows a customer to maximize his enjoyment, per dollar spent, just like you do when you spend your money. I'm not advocating "seeing how hard they work for a dollar", I'm just advocating spending your dollars wisely, and not get caught up in the moment and let the flashing lights, alcohol, and naked women making them spend their money foolishly.

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    It is not these women's responsibility to be your accountant; and if that is what you're looking for you oughta find a findomme who you'll sign all of your checks over to so she can give you a reasonable allowance.
    I agree that it's not a dancer's responsibility to be my accountant. Perhaps that's why we customers need to provide each other with financial advice based on past experiences.

    Quote Originally Posted by alibby View Post
    I stopped reading at $600/hour lmao! Hold this L and just accept you don't know what you're talking about, neither do you have the comprehension to get this concept through your thick hollow skull. If you're broke just accept it and stay out the club, it's a luxury service not a necessity.
    I understand that you won't earn that theoretical amount. But you ignored the point I was trying to make, and that was, while you are earning that $30 for 3 minutes of work, the waitress only earns 25 cents. I think dancers sometimes lose sight of the amount they earn for a single dance, relative to what workers in vanilla jobs do. And while you may not often, or ever, achieve the theoretical $600 in an hour, you are also not working for every minute of the hour like the waitress is, or for that matter, like your customers do. Our wallets don't magically fill with dollars, we work hard too. I'm not broke, and from your tone, I can imagine your approach is the old "wanna dance", followed by angrily stomping off when politely turned down. Insulting your customers is not a great sales technique.

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    Most dancers don't make 600/hour. This is the exact situation where if we had a penny for every time a customer thought we made thousands every night..lol

    We know we make more than someone would in a typical vanilla job, that's why we dance.

    And you're wrong on my approach, I know the quality of service I provide, I don't put in the bare minimum, from the hair, make-up, emotional labor, aches musceles at the end of every shift..I expect to be compensated adequately as we all should.

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    Interesting thought gameover

    And I did consider the fact that the men here have more experience as customers. I've only been a customer a handful of times so maybe you see something I don't or haven't yet. It was my believe that predatory hustlers were a very small percentage of dancers.

    I suppose if it were my own money and I went as a customer I would set a budget (based on what experience I'm trying to have), include tips in the budget, research the prices beforehand, and take cash (so I wouldn't be hit with ATM fees).

    I most likely would tip if the experience was pleasant only because I've worked service industry and I'd treat them how I'd want them to treat me if the role were reverse.

    *Even if I get lackluster service from waitstaff/people in service industry - I still tip (on the lower end) then report them to their manager so they can have feedback on how to improve.

    I do think you may be generalizing a bit because I see being ruthless, lying, and deceiving as something part of the "bait and switch hustle" or the "fake pity hustle". I don't see tipping after dances in that category - unless the dancer demands a tip and her performance was extremely lackluster, the tip was already factored in the price, etc.

    *If extras are performed or customer acts belligerent (which neither is my forte) then I think tip should be automatic.

    * I also think if you want to "save" someone, you save your relatives or close friends not strangers on the internet. And saving them from what? Not a life or death situation but from ....... tipping?
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    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    Interesting thought gameover

    And I did consider the fact that the men here have more experience as customers. I've only been a customer a handful of times so maybe you see something I don't or haven't yet. It was my believe that predatory hustlers were a very small percentage of dancers.

    I suppose if it were my own money and I went as a customer I would set a budget (based on what experience I'm trying to have), include tips in the budget, research the prices beforehand, and take cash (so I wouldn't be hit with ATM fees).

    I most likely would tip if the experience was pleasant only because I've worked service industry and I'd treat them how I'd want them to treat me if the role were reverse.

    *Even if I get lackluster service from waitstaff/people in service industry - I still tip (on the lower end) then report them to their manager so they can have feedback on how to improve.

    I do think you may be generalizing a bit because I see being ruthless, lying, and deceiving as something part of the "bait and switch hustle" or the "fake pity hustle". I don't see tipping after dances in that category - unless the dancer demands a tip and her performance was extremely lackluster, the tip was already factored in the price, etc.

    *If extras are performed or customer acts belligerent (which neither is my forte) then I think tip should be automatic.

    * I also think if you want to "save" someone, you save your relatives or close friends not strangers on the internet. And saving them from what? Not a life or death situation but from ....... tipping?
    I understand your point of view. I've already stated my reasoning in prior posts, so I won't repeat them here.

    Sure, the word "saving" is a bit dramatic. Just call it "tips" on "tipping", then.

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    I don't routinely tip for private dances. I only get them from my favorite, and I buy really long strings of dances, so she always does well when I visit her. I do, however, tip her generously when she's on stage. I like to make tipping fun. Customers at this club do very little stage tipping, so I can make things more enjoyable for both of us. I'll slip her a twenty, and she turns up the heat, so I'll do it again. Another fun thing we do is a dollar skirt. Typically she will pull he T-bar aside for the custy to put the tip in. I'll put dollar bills all around the waist band, and give her a ten or twenty to put in front. She looks pretty cute prancing around the stage $35 to $40 in wrapped around her. Then off to private for some hot dances. No extras, just super sensual. }:
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    The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones. -William Shakespeare
    Meaning that we really remember only the shitty experiences usually and not the good ones lol.
    The dancers are jaded from guys trying to finger our assholes for twenty minutes and the customers are jaded from girls using under handed tactics...

    At the end of the day we should all give each other a chance and the benefit of the doubt until we know the other is a broke perve or a scheming harlot lol

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    And for tipping you tip everyone in the service industry , this IS THE SERVICE INDUSTRY. So tip accordingly ...usually however you feel is appropriate based on the services you find important ...tipping is your personal preference ..




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    Quote Originally Posted by gameover View Post
    I disagree. In both cases I am doing business with two people who are being paid to perform a job function. The best buy employee agreed to work for a certain amount per hour to sell product for the store.

    A dancer has made an agreement with the club to pay a certain house fee, and/or portion of VIP/dance fees for the right to perform in the club. The club specifies the standard prices for dances or VIP, which you agreed to when you chose to work at that club. Those fees are a dancer's cost of doing business. When I go to best buy, they don't request that I pay more to help offset their A/C costs. That's already factored in to the cost they charge for the TV.

    In the same way, a dancer's fees are not my concern. Those fees are already factored into the price I am paying for the dances. For the price, I expect a sexy fantasy dance for which I pay the agreed upon price. If the dance is not sexy, I just won't buy further dances from the dancer. For me, the agreed upon price is for a sexy fantasy dance, so I won't tip extra for what I already purchased.

    I suppose I have become somewhat guarded against dancer wiles, since I have been going to clubs long enough to see many different dancer ploys to separate me from my money.

    I think a lot of guys tip extra hoping the dancer will go out with them. I have both dated dancers and had SD/SB relationships with them outside of the club. And frankly, it's been just too much drama for me, that I have no desire to pursue those now.

    I much prefer just finding a dancer I like and arranging an OTC arrangement with no additional responsibilities beyond each meeting. I have fun, they get paid, and I keep my regular relationships separate from the clubs. The strip club is a wonderful place for vetting future OTC hookups. I already get swarmed by dancers when I go to a club, and not tipping extra for a standard strip club lap dance certainly hasn't dampened the dancers' enthusiasm for me, in my experience.

    I don't begrudge a dancer from trying to maximize her earnings. If she can get guys to tip extra for a standard dance, more power to her.

    Nobody is saying you are REQUIRED to tip. Everyone has the right to be a douche.

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    1st off... Arrangements Are Tipping! Sugardaddy's are Tipping towards a baby's attitude, lifestyle, & emotional support, I've pad for plenty of Daycare.

    2nd... I'm a Teacher & Philosopher im here to Impart Knowledge. Many women want to jump into the sugardaddy/sugarbaby game but they dont know how. Im here to be a non-judgemental teacher and spiritual guide on taking a jump to the next level. If YOU dont want to listen and learn from a master like myself, then I don't know what to tell you honey bunch. but please dont be a "DONADOWNER"!!

    If you want to be a dancer your whole life then stay there, you are your own BOSS... The world is changing, I don't look at SA as another version of Craigslist or BP, I look at SA as another Version of Tinder or POF, the version in which women are compensated for their Time dating & putting on Makeup getting dressed and making guys feel like champions as opposed to getting free food free or getting smashed for free. If you want to go on Dates and get Free Food, once again thats your Perogative no one is going to stop you. But Once again, the world is changing, Porn sites are 9.95 for unlimited material, Tinder is offering men opportunities to Hookup without spending any money. There are more options.

    Also im trying to be truthful... SA is Fantasy, Fetish, Role Play, Dating meetup forum. To be a successful SugarBaby, and get good tips, a woman has to be willing to engage in mens fantasies. Licking the Vag is just fantasy.

    You should be thanking me for this knowledge that I am imparting on you.


    Quote Originally Posted by DonaDiabla View Post
    Sorry but do we really need to know that you love licking vagina? I mean what was the point of even mentioning that in this thread about tipping? Also, thanks for the heads up on SA....you highlight several great reasons for avoiding sugar baby sites . I saw that you mention that several times in other threads and I just feel that it could just be another version of craigslist to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxxGothBarbie View Post
    ^ These replies are exactly why I started ripping jerks off in the club when I danced. I made dam sure I got my money PLUS a tip which was actually me overcharging for a dance to ensure I got my money for dealing with guys like you. You need to learn respect for women & secondly stop acting so entitled. I mean srsly you are the ones that HAVE to pay a woman for sex bc no real woman in her right mind would lower herself or her panties to someone like you in the real world LOL.
    No, you started ripping jerks off because you wanted to rip them off. The rest of that was just a convoluted rationalization to make yourself feel justified in doing it.

    As I've always been consistent about in my 7+ years of posting here, I usually never criticize how dancers earn. Run whatever hustle you want short of making explicit false promises and you'll never hear a peep from me. Truth be told, most men in strip clubs already have significant economic, age and life experience advantages over most of the strippers that they deal with. Hustles and other tricks of the trade just help to even the playing field a bit.

    But this is one of the few things that I believe are just outright wrong. You and the other girls that pull this stunt are the reason why dancers so often end up in debates with customers over dance counts, including those girls who aren't playing those games. Net-net, what you and others like you do make it worse for everyone. It also makes some guys leary about buying lapdances at all, which also helps nobody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LongDongSilverBBC View Post
    1st off... Arrangements Are Tipping! Sugardaddy's are Tipping towards a baby's attitude, lifestyle, & emotional support, I've pad for plenty of Daycare.

    2nd... I'm a Teacher & Philosopher im here to Impart Knowledge. Many women want to jump into the sugardaddy/sugarbaby game but they dont know how. Im here to be a non-judgemental teacher and spiritual guide on taking a jump to the next level. If YOU dont want to listen and learn from a master like myself, then I don't know what to tell you honey bunch. but please dont be a "DONADOWNER"!!

    If you want to be a dancer your whole life then stay there, you are your own BOSS... The world is changing, I don't look at SA as another version of Craigslist or BP, I look at SA as another Version of Tinder or POF, the version in which women are compensated for their Time dating & putting on Makeup getting dressed and making guys feel like champions as opposed to getting free food free or getting smashed for free. If you want to go on Dates and get Free Food, once again thats your Perogative no one is going to stop you. But Once again, the world is changing, Porn sites are 9.95 for unlimited material, Tinder is offering men opportunities to Hookup without spending any money. There are more options.

    Also im trying to be truthful... SA is Fantasy, Fetish, Role Play, Dating meetup forum. To be a successful SugarBaby, and get good tips, a woman has to be willing to engage in mens fantasies. Licking the Vag is just fantasy.

    You should be thanking me for this knowledge that I am imparting on you.
    WOW. I don't feel like getting involved in picking apart this entire thing, but I just could not believe the cocky attitude you're sporting at the end of your statement, mister "non-judgmental". You should apologize to Dona, seriously. Check yourself. Damn.

    Truth be told, most men in strip clubs already have significant economic, age and life experience advantages over most of the strippers that they deal with.
    FFS

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