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    Default Recap of the Seattle busts at TER

    http://projects.seattletimes.com/201...titution-bust/

    I wasn't aware the TER founder committed suicide. What a sad, misguided policy. Trafficking is terrible. Sex work is not. Making all sex work into trafficking is actually far more harmful.
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    It is the "victim" business. Whenever you can find a victim, you can find a way to profit.

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    Several years worth of work for what? A few days of Community Service and some suspended sentences. Good Job Guys!! Great work! I just have a feeling that those girls are not any safer... Showing ID and putting faces to names would make me feel very very safe. If something bad did happen you had a way to track these guys down.

    Now what do you have? They are back at Square one. The streets of seattle are much safer now.

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    ^^Exactly. I'm glad all the violent crimes are solved so they can go after consenting adults.
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    They did not bust The Erotic Review (TER), they busted The Review Board (TRB). There is a difference. Yes it is terrible that the harassment drove TT to commit suicide. To be honest I could see trouble coming in the last couple of years of TRB's existence with the emphasis on the Korean micros in Bellevue. The City of Bellevue is not nearly as tolerant as the City of Seattle is about those things.

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    Let's not pretend he was a good guy. Terrible harrassment? is a stretch. If it was a dark web site & you could buy drugs off of it & it got busted regularly would you all it harassment? Prostitution is illegal in the U.S.

    He has been busted several times of the years for way more than just TER. Harassment & blackmail of providers. Don't act like he was some innocent guy with good intentions. He was NOT. He used that site as a power play over the women who used it & so did many of the guys on there. They busted more than just consenting adults in Seattle but actual sex slavery going on.

    There is NO defending those men or TER.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emale View Post
    They did not bust The Erotic Review (TER), they busted The Review Board (TRB). There is a difference. Yes it is terrible that the harassment drove TT to commit suicide. To be honest I could see trouble coming in the last couple of years of TRB's existence with the emphasis on the Korean micros in Bellevue. The City of Bellevue is not nearly as tolerant as the City of Seattle is about those things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam38g View Post
    Let's not pretend he was a good guy. Terrible harrassment? is a stretch. If it was a dark web site & you could buy drugs off of it & it got busted regularly would you all it harassment? Prostitution is illegal in the U.S.

    He has been busted several times of the years for way more than just TER. Harassment & blackmail of providers. Don't act like he was some innocent guy with good intentions. He was NOT. He used that site as a power play over the women who used it & so did many of the guys on there. They busted more than just consenting adults in Seattle but actual sex slavery going on.

    There is NO defending those men or TER.
    Maybe not, but the tools they're using, the way they're treating people on both sides, are not helping anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahuba View Post
    Maybe not, but the tools they're using, the way they're treating people on both sides, are not helping anyone.
    I read the article, many of that inner group were being pimps. The guy who ran that group asking men to pick up girls & bring them some place. Asking them to transport women for the act of prostitution or the promotion of it gets into the Mann Act. Renting them apartments to work out of & getting a cut of the profits or trading it for sex.

    One woman in that article talked about being raped & held captive by a member of that group. I disagree with the statement of arresting those men doesn't help anyone.

    Those men were actively targeting & promoting sex slavery with the Korean women who were brought here illegally & then had to work off those debts by working as prostitutes. Way to easy to take advantage of women in that situation. Arresting men who were using their illegal status & being in debt to sex traffickers make them horrible & predators.

    The guy who committed suicide, did he care if one of them got raped or killed? Did he report those sex slaves to the proper authorities? No, he just sent them more men to use & abuse them. Where was his compassion for those women? Those men were a bit more than just hobbyist.

    None of the women were arrested & offered social services if they needed help. Tell me how fucking 10 men a day, everyday for years & working here illegally helped those Korean females?

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    I read the article and I came up with the following conclusion. What those men did is indeed human trafficking. If anything, those men were let off very easy for what they did.

    I have nothing against the idea of paying someone for sex if there is consent on both sides. If a woman willingly will accept money from a man to have sex with him without another person having an influence, there should be nothing illegal about it. Other countries have made it legal, including our neighbors Canada and Mexico.

    The fact is, stories like the one being talked about here are way too common in the US and society as a whole immediately thinks that is what is going on whenever there is a discussion about paying for sex.

    Outside of rural counties in Nevada, I don't think the US will adopt any form of legalized prostitution nationwide any time soon.

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    I have no problem with trading sex for money, there are countries where it is legal. In the U.S. there are those few counties in Nevada.

    What I've a problem with is men defending those men in Seattle via that TRB but the TER isn't much better. If it goes on with one board, not a big leap to imagine the men posted on both sites. Those were smart men in Seattle, some of whom worked for some of the biggest tech companies in the world. We only know for now what went on in that area. Scaling it to be bigger for those types isn't very hard, so they can make even more money & exploit the most vulnerable.

    Prostitution legalized in the U.S. nationwide, not in our lifetimes. Not when women's equality & Civil Rights are disappearing so fast under the Republican rule. Those Korean women used to be able to get citizenship due to how & what went down. Now, I am sure they will all be deported back to where they came from & their lives made even more miserable. Now, the U.S. is helping human traffickers punish those who seek help.

    Those sites are not set up by stupid men, they are set up by intelligent men who worked in tech field. The owner knew the laws, he still did it. So ALL of them knew the risk if they got caught. All of them know there is no such thing as no trails left when it comes to the internet too.

    Years I heard men talk how if a girl got caught it was her fault. How she deserved it. How it came with the territory so don't complain & don't give up all the men you committed those crimes with too. They all expected the women to accept the consequences & protect their clients.

    Now the shoe is on the other foot. Seattle decided to go after the men & arrest them. They let the women go without any charges. Doesn't feel so good, does it. Now those men will have trouble getting jobs, places to rent just like the women who got caught have for decades.

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    Wow, they go after men too? It's always been the women getting busted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fbsm_girl View Post
    Wow, they go after men too? It's always been the women getting busted.
    Yes, they are & about time too.

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    If it was trafficking, they deserve everything they get. What I am against is conflating all sex work with trafficking.
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    Trafficking my ass. These guys got such small punishments because, as more information came to light, it was eminently clear that the girls were willing participants. This includes the Korean girls, who flew there by themselves on their own dime, set their own rates and boundaries, decided who they would see and otherwise freely roamed around the U.S. as they saw fit.

    There are a number of more detailed articles on this, but IMHO this one paints a fairly complete picture:

    http://reason.com/archives/2016/09/0...ex-trafficking

    This was a morality bust, pure and simple. The prosecutor supported his bogus claim of trafficking by stating that anyone who is paid for sex is a victim. I bet that those Korean girls, who were likely making several hundred to $1,000+ per day AFTER their cut to these dudes for screening, apartments, etc., felt far more victimized by the police than they did by the guys who were paying them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    Trafficking my ass. These guys got such small punishments because, as more information came to light, it was eminently clear that the girls were willing participants. This includes the Korean girls, who flew there by themselves on their own dime, set their own rates and boundaries, decided who they would see and otherwise freely roamed around the U.S. as they saw fit.

    There are a number of more detailed articles on this, but IMHO this one paints a fairly complete picture:



    This was a morality bust, pure and simple. The prosecutor supported his bogus claim of trafficking by stating that anyone who is paid for sex is a victim. I bet that those Korean girls, who were likely making several hundred to $1,000+ per day AFTER their cut to these dudes for screening, apartments, etc., felt far more victimized by the police than they did by the guys who were paying them.
    Thank you Rick. I always like to hear both sides of the story. This version contradicts the assessment I got from the original article. I feel as though maybe both articles are leaving out some facts in order to better support their side of the argument.

    One thing that I obviously do agree with is that it is way too easy to go after people involved in webistes and forums that are intended to make interactions safe among everyone involved. The ones who trully are involved in trafficking do everything they can to keep their operations anonymous and secure, and that makes it almost impossible for authorities to crack down on those who are indeed doing harm.

    In the end, our government is mostly to blame. If their agendas weren't focused on depriving consenting adults what they should legally have the right to do, maybe they would actually do what our neighbors, Canada and Mexico, have done, and have some regulated form of legalized prostitution. If it works in countires with populations the size of Canada and Mexico, why can't it work here in the USA?

    Then again, it is legal in rural counties in Nevada. If they adopt the same kind of regulations nationwide, wouldn't everyone be better off?

    There are too many misunderstandings about what trafficking really is. That is why there will never be a system in the USA for legalized prostitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mustafa View Post
    Thank you Rick. I always like to hear both sides of the story. This version contradicts the assessment I got from the original article. I feel as though maybe both articles are leaving out some facts in order to better support their side of the argument.
    Fake News... News has always served the agenda of the Government... I bet there is not 1 Establishment News Organization that has covered this stort objectively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LongDongSilverBBC View Post
    Fake News... News has always served the agenda of the Government... I bet there is not 1 Establishment News Organization that has covered this stort objectively.
    International news usually reports US stories fairly. Also, please don't use the term "fake news" it kind of makes me want to kick you in the throat while simultaneously vomiting the last bit of meat I ate in the 1990's. News has served the agenda of the gov't in other societies, in the US, it has been more of a cable-ratings thing until recently that we have a certain cheeto colored "hero" of a subset starting a state news channel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gia2608 View Post
    International news usually reports US stories fairly. Also, please don't use the term "fake news" it kind of makes me want to kick you in the throat while simultaneously vomiting the last bit of meat I ate in the 1990's. News has served the agenda of the gov't in other societies, in the US, it has been more of a cable-ratings thing until recently that we have a certain cheeto colored "hero" of a subset starting a state news channel.
    Although I agree with most of what you said... International news doesnt report on "Escorts Social Meetups" in Seattle.

    Example European News Story:

    American women and men who had taken Safety to a New Level by providing safe places for Escorts and their Clientele to meet and hang out. Has been Busted by the Feds. Facing Fines, Embaressment & Probation the alleged Group Founder committed suicide, rather than walk through the Dog and pony show orchestrated by entrenched political monetary interests.

    The feds and local police feel that Rundown Motels, street walking, pimps and Shady Internet sites are a much better way to justify their Large Wasteful Budgets, than promoting safe consenting women and their clients to a safe environment to meet party and engage in dancing and buying drinks and eventual hooking up for a an agreed upon fee.

    The Local Mayor; who will soon be running for congress, came out and grossly mischarachterized the event as an "Event that Supports Human Trafficking", and went on to say "We will be Viligent and stamp out this Evil upon society".

    End of European story.
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    I didnt see this story on the; BBC, RTN, DeutchWels, or NHK.
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