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    So I've been dancing for going on two months now. I mostly enjoy it, but I'm just not making money like I had hoped. I've had a few really good nights, but the majority of my nights are just ok and I make my bare minimum or just under it or I come out in the negatives. There will be nights when the club is fairly busy, but I just can't sell dances or rooms. Last night was one of those nights - I sold one lapdance.

    I am truly at a loss for what I'm doing wrong. I have combed this forum for advice on selling dances and I've put it to use. I've listened to the how to videos on youtube. I've read general articles and pieces of advice about how to close a sale. I've taken notes on what to say to sell dances and keep them on my phone to look at during breaks. I don't sit with customers for a long time if I've established they're not buying a dance. I always bring up VIP, even before the couch dances. I've changed my look since I started since a lot of other dancers told me I would make more money - I wear a wig and my club recently went back to the gown rule so I've been wearing sexy clubwear type dresses that make me look more "expensive".

    I get rejected for dances far, FAR more often then I'm able to sell them. I don't "wanna dance???" guys either, I do sit and chat for a few songs (depending on how slow it is) before I bring up dances. But most of the time, I hear the old "maybe later" (which means no), "I don't do dances, I just come here to drink a beer and watch", or "that's too expensive, no way!" when I bring up VIP. I then move on to chat with another customer only to hear the same.

    Last night for example, I approached EVERYONE (like I normally do) or as many people as I could get to and I could only sell one couch dance. I had one guy come to the stage to tip me, I told him he should get a LD from me, he said "yeah totally! i'll be waiting when you get off stage." my set ends (we only do two song sets), I go find him and he says "ohhh sorry, I just called for an uber and it's on the way, so I gotta go!" Another group of guys came in and one actually asked me about the VIP options, I explained them to him, and he says "ok cool! let me go talk to my buddy. don't worry, we got you! we'll definitely do something." a few minutes pass and i make my way over to their table only for them to start saying "oh forget about all that, what are you doing after this? why don't you come over to my place?" There's just so many timewasters and it drives me insane!

    It's really disheartening. I've only been dancing a short while so I don't have any regulars. I've given my snapchat information to a few guys (I don't give out my number) to let them know when I'm working but I've had no repeat customers really. Some of the other girls seem to think there are too many girls on some nights, and I think that could be it. On the nights that I'm not doing well most of the other girls who don't have regulars are in the same boat so it's not just me.

    For some background info, I guess most would consider my club "upscale", or at least it tries to be. House fees are anywhere from $35-$55, not including tip out to the bouncer and DJ. Couch dances are $30 a song and the club takes $20. It is topless/pastie and a lot of customers complain about it being too "strict" - customers are not allowed to touch us on the floor, we can only accept tips in our garter, etc. There is almost never a cover. It also has a restaurant and serves steak so a lot of people come in just for the food especially during the day. A lot of patrons say it feels more like a nice bar that happens to have dancers more than an actual strip club. It is also totally extras-free, or at least as far as I know. There are cameras in every private room and I have witnessed a few girls get fired on the spot when my boss spotted them providing extras on the camera.

    I have never danced anywhere else so I have nothing to compare my current club to anything, so I'm not sure how typical the house fees and rules are. Apologies for the long rambling post, but if anyone could offer some perspective I would greatly appreciate it. I actually do like my club, the other dancers are nice and management is very professional but I'm strongly considering trying to get hired at a nude club closer to my home.

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    Default Re: Getting really frustrated and I'm not sure what the problem is

    Hi I'm sorry you are dealing with this. Please don't be discouraged. Your club sounds lovely but might not be the right fit for you.

    Maybe try the club closer to home on your off nights but don't burn your bridges with this club. If the nude club ends up working out better for you you can gracefully transition to the nude club.

    I always did alright in upscale clubs but I never quite hit the hustle as good as I do in dives and mid-tier clubs. So dont worry shop around. Sometimes a change of scenery is all you need

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    Default Re: Getting really frustrated and I'm not sure what the problem is

    If other girls aren't making money I wouldn't take it too personally.

    It's August and especially if the club has that reputation ("bar that happens to have dancers") + those prices ($30/couch dance is pricy IMHO) it's a recipe for a really difficult sell. The "Cheers" of clubs thing only works IME if dances are $10-$15. It also sounds like most of those customers are young guys, no? Those types are generally broke to begin with.

    Is there another club you can try? Maybe a lower tier club where you can sell more in volume and maybe with less frustration?
    "People jack off with the left hand and point with the right."

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    Default Re: Getting really frustrated and I'm not sure what the problem is

    August is the shittiest month of the year.
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    I'm so sorry you're going through this. It can be disheartening when you're new and starting out and you keep hearing "no" for an answer.

    A good thing to research is the Law of Attraction. Therr are threads about it in Hustle Hut. LOA works well for me and I use it to attract good spending customers.

    At first when you are new, you're going have to weed out spenders from the crowd. Keep working and eventually you'll build a client base. You'll learn who the time wasters are and then you'll know to avoid them.

    And 30 is a lot for one lap dance. Maybe try the nude club. But don't entirely write off this one. It could be the club, or it could be the vibe you're giving off. LOA helps. And try a different club. Summer months are slower but there's no reason to be scraping by like this. I'd try another club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selina M View Post
    If other girls aren't making money I wouldn't take it too personally.

    It's August and especially if the club has that reputation ("bar that happens to have dancers") + those prices ($30/couch dance is pricy IMHO) it's a recipe for a really difficult sell. The "Cheers" of clubs thing only works IME if dances are $10-$15. It also sounds like most of those customers are young guys, no? Those types are generally broke to begin with.

    Is there another club you can try? Maybe a lower tier club where you can sell more in volume and maybe with less frustration?
    Yeah, I live in Western MD and the club I currently dance at is just outside of baltimore. I'm actually closer to WV, and for some reason there's an abundance of clubs there. I'm definitely going to audition at one of the bigger ones and see how that goes for me.

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    Default Re: Getting really frustrated and I'm not sure what the problem is

    It sounds like a combination of things. For one, I don't think your BS meter works yet. You just don't know when someone is wasting your time or telling tall tales about "totally" getting a dance later. This unfortunately comes with time. I think you're also spending too much time with each customer to sell a single dance. I also think it may be the club and you should try the other. Good luck!

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    Default Re: Getting really frustrated and I'm not sure what the problem is

    ^ yes that. Exactly.

    'I'm just getting here but maybe later' means come try again in an hour.

    'I promise I'll get a dance later/I think I might do that VIP room you mentioned/Don't worry we'll take care of you but come back later!' Are all bullshit. The only thing they're good for is entertainment value if you go demand they pay up (read: not ask them again, but tell them, and call them out on being liars and time wasters). So you can make money off those sometimes but it requires basically bullying them and I don't think you're quite there yet.
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    They're taking 20$ of a 30$ dance? Just jeez, so all that and you only get 10$ and STILL have to pay house fees? So you have to get like over 200$ from customers before you really start to break even? For sure try auditioning at some other clubs. You'll feel better if you can get 200$ from customers and actually get to take half of it home.

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    $30 is not a lot for a dance. They should NOT be taking that much from your dances.

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    $20 is an unreal amount to be taking from dances. A club that takes a huge cut shouldn't be charging you house fees on top of that.

    You'll get more skills in time but honestly if you're only keeping $10 a dance anyways i'd work almost anywhere else... Even at an awful $10 a song dive you'd keep all your money and probably sell more dances because of how cheap they are.

    I hate clubs with no cover also. If you don't have/won't spend the $7 or whatever to come in you shouldn't be there anyways.

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    ^^ no cover is a really bad sign. The strippers are the attraction they ought to be willing to pay to see the show not see some ass on thé side with their steak and baked potato.

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    Default Re: Getting really frustrated and I'm not sure what the problem is

    Okay you lost me when you said dances are $30 and club takes $20

    That's a problem right there.

    Could be the management/owners are milking the dancers and when they do this the main ones profiting are the cutthroat hustlers and the extras hustler.

    May need to find a new club or see if management would be open to a new pricing structure (if enough dancers complain it's possible)

    Also never let dudes or dancers see you getting string of no's. And trust they are watching you hustle. After a couple of no's go to the bathroom/dressing room or somewhere off the main floor to regroup mentally and also to make it appear as if you're in VIP.

    When all else fails you have to literally tell fuckers "get up!" (Signal them to stand up) and say "You're coming with me" if for some strange reason they have the audacity to challenge you then you challenge their manhood and give them address to the gay bar down the street.
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    Default Re: Getting really frustrated and I'm not sure what the problem is

    You have to change clubs. You keeping 10 and them taking 20 is way too much. No cover isn't a good sign either. Maybe later and not now means ,,I have no money to spend ", at least from my experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selina M View Post
    ^ yes that. Exactly.

    'I'm just getting here but maybe later' means come try again in an hour.

    'I promise I'll get a dance later/I think I might do that VIP room you mentioned/Don't worry we'll take care of you but come back later!' Are all bullshit. The only thing they're good for is entertainment value if you go demand they pay up (read: not ask them again, but tell them, and call them out on being liars and time wasters). So you can make money off those sometimes but it requires basically bullying them and I don't think you're quite there yet.
    Yeah, but the only problem with the "maybe later" line is that while sometimes it is genuine, I'll leave and by the time I've come back, another dancer has approached this person and they end up getting dances with them, so they're out of money by the time I get back to them.

    Quote Originally Posted by questella View Post
    They're taking 20$ of a 30$ dance? Just jeez, so all that and you only get 10$ and STILL have to pay house fees? So you have to get like over 200$ from customers before you really start to break even? For sure try auditioning at some other clubs. You'll feel better if you can get 200$ from customers and actually get to take half of it home.
    Pretty much, yeah. On Fridays and Saturdays house fees are $55, not including $10 to the dj and $5 to the bouncer, and we they still take half on the VIP rooms and 2/3 on couch dances. There IS some sort of system where if we sell enough dances we don't have to pay fees but I'm not sure how that works or what the required amount is, it's never happened to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJa View Post
    $20 is an unreal amount to be taking from dances. A club that takes a huge cut shouldn't be charging you house fees on top of that.

    You'll get more skills in time but honestly if you're only keeping $10 a dance anyways i'd work almost anywhere else... Even at an awful $10 a song dive you'd keep all your money and probably sell more dances because of how cheap they are.

    I hate clubs with no cover also. If you don't have/won't spend the $7 or whatever to come in you shouldn't be there anyways.
    A few of the other girls have complained about the lack of a cover as well. A cover might be easier on the dancers for house fees and it might attract people who are willing to spend money.

    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    Okay you lost me when you said dances are $30 and club takes $20

    That's a problem right there.

    Could be the management/owners are milking the dancers and when they do this the main ones profiting are the cutthroat hustlers and the extras hustler.

    May need to find a new club or see if management would be open to a new pricing structure (if enough dancers complain it's possible)

    Also never let dudes or dancers see you getting string of no's. And trust they are watching you hustle. After a couple of no's go to the bathroom/dressing room or somewhere off the main floor to regroup mentally and also to make it appear as if you're in VIP.

    When all else fails you have to literally tell fuckers "get up!" (Signal them to stand up) and say "You're coming with me" if for some strange reason they have the audacity to challenge you then you challenge their manhood and give them address to the gay bar down the street.
    lol. I'd do that but I'm scared of someone leaving a bad review somewhere or complaining to management.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elle:) View Post
    You have to change clubs. You keeping 10 and them taking 20 is way too much. No cover isn't a good sign either. Maybe later and not now means ,,I have no money to spend ", at least from my experience.
    Another excuse I hear quite often is "I don't ever get dances, they don't do anything for me." when I bring up the subject. Cut to an hour later and that same guy is being led to the back by another dancer. lol it's like, why lie to my face dude?

    This past week has been a bit better for me. Pretty much the only way to make money at my club is by selling VIP rooms. If you don't sell at least one room, you're pretty much going home broke. After like two weeks of not selling any rooms I have been more fortunate and have managed to sell at least one my last few shifts, so that's been good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElleMae View Post

    Another excuse I hear quite often is "I don't ever get dances, they don't do anything for me." when I bring up the subject. Cut to an hour later and that same guy is being led to the back by another dancer. lol it's like, why lie to my face dude?
    I used to get this loads too. At some point I stopped asking for dances and just started asking to let me have some fun with them. Works a bit better, sometimes just rewording your sales pitch can have a big impact.

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