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    Wow, so a lot of area clubs facing closure


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    Yeah a host at a club I work at told me about this. Apparently they've been trying to do this for a long time. Wonder what this will mean for the remaining clubs.

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    Default Re: NYC's 60/40 rule

    I think laws like this are pretty common in a lot of places

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    If all these clubs close, the remaining clubs won't be able to handle the influx of
    Girls and customers. There just isn't enough room.

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    whacckkkkkk i feel like blaming this on chris christie somehow lmaoo




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    Some of The ones that are def going to remain open are Scores, the RIck's 3, and Hustler. I feel like now is the time to get auditions in at those clubs...ugh.

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    Legal stress in this industry is the worst! When I worked in Toronto they were always threatening to change the bylaws . To all the NYC girls, solidarité, and good luck! In my experience the clubs have endless legal budgets and will keep things tied up in court forever.

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    Shit... it's probably going to be even tougher to get hired in any of the clubs that will remain open.

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    In Canada we won at the Supreme Court. Hopefully they do decide to appeal. Hopefully while they appeal the clubs are allowed to remain open as they were here.

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    Nyc clubs are already saturated as is...imagine with the ones that are gonna be left. Hot mess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanessa_mtl View Post
    Legal stress in this industry is the worst! When I worked in Toronto they were always threatening to change the bylaws . To all the NYC girls, solidarité, and good luck! In my experience the clubs have endless legal budgets and will keep things tied up in court forever.
    Well back when I was a baby stripper in the 90s is when they began this legal fight. Long before the sky high rents and the Corporate takeover of Manhattan and Times Square. So it has run two decades already. A lot of clubs have come and gone a lot of girls have made money and moved on. This is the end of the fight. I'm impressed they held these greedy mofos back this long!

    http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article...-strip-clubsnY


    The decision culminates an effort begun by Mayor Rudy Giuliani in the mid 1990s to rein in the industry, which proliferated in places like Times Square and became a symbol of the urban decay that once gripped the city.

    "We are pleased with this decision," a New York City Law Department spokesman said. "The court agreed that the city acted reasonably and lawfully to stem the widespread circumvention of zoning regulations intended to protect our quality of life."

    Five of six appellate judges ruled in favor of the ban, with one abstaining. Erica Dubno, a lawyer who represented the adult industry, said her clients were weighing whether to bring the case to the U.S. Supreme Court, the only body that could overturn the ruling.

    Several prominent strip clubs, including Rick's Cabaret, Scores and the Hustler Club, will remain unaffected by the court ruling because they possess special adult entertainment licenses.

    According to Ed Anakar, director of operations for Rick's Cabaret, which runs three clubs in Manhattan, about eight city clubs have that license. He estimated there are roughly 10 others currently operating under the 60/40 rule. They will now face closure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanessa_mtl View Post
    In Canada we won at the Supreme Court. Hopefully they do decide to appeal. Hopefully while they appeal the clubs are allowed to remain open as they were here.
    I doubt they will because these corporate clubs benefit from the independent clubs closing. Back in the 90s it was a slew of these hardscrabble guys who owned one or two locations, Mom and Pop operations. You girls wouldn't believe what Ricks looked like back then. It was soooo old school with one long stage against the wall, behind the bar, like an old time saloon. I wish I had taken pics. It was typical of the time. Pussycat Lounge, and so many others were these small dark spots business guys would duck into. It was not glamorized or talked up on radio, depicted in videos. It was a very underground job/lifestyle so it made sense to band together. There was a vibe and ethos of solidarity and us against the world back then that doesn't exist now. Now, those owners are dying off and are woefully outgunned by the bigger, self interested clubs. The owners and girls are generally from other states and feel no connection to the club/town s,o why fight.
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    Yes, def no camaraderie between clubs. ^ In The clubs that are to remain open, the staff wont shut up about it. They believe their clubs will do better if X club gets shut down which I don't necessarily think is true. Some guys will just retire from clubbing if their club gets shut down. Girls that can't get hired or don't want to work at one of the remaining 8 clubs will start working outside and take their client base with them. It's going to cause a mass panic where girls will be out of a job and everyone will be scrambling to find the right fit club. I mean it is the beginning of the end of stripping in NYC for many girls. There just won't be enough space for them unless were going to go Vegas style and have 300 girls a shift but there is just not enough room in many of the clubs for that many entertainers. 100 is already a lot for the big clubs such as Ricks and Sapphire, I could not imagine where they are going to put 300+. Adding to that, there aren't enough VIP rooms to accommodate all that clientele and their entertainers so girls will have to resort to doing JUST dances if they can find a spot to sit the customer on busy nights, kind of how it's like in December x 100. These 8 clubs may think they are so LUCKY but then they will start their work on them. Maybe it will take two decades , maybe not but the point is these prudes don't want strip clubs in THEIR city and they will do anything in their power to shut them ALL down. Get ready for the raids and legal harassment in the last remaining 8!

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    Default Re: NYC's 60/40 rule

    is this only in manhattan? or all the boroughs?

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    I believe only Manhattan but like I said, if and when they get their way, they will start looking to shut down the other clubs too.

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    Oh wow ArielBriel it really does suck the clubs can't see that what's in the industry's best interest is in their best interest. Don't they realize when there are no clubs there is no market for strippers. Like Boston, there's lots of money in that city but only two clubs that share a wall- which is an effective way of ghettoizing the industry. Despite all the money in that city it's not a place strippers can get rich from what I've heard. If strippers stop being in the customers consciousness he's going to stop frequenting strip clubs rather than googling which clubs are still open and hiring a car just to get to one... That's really small minded of the club owners to speak that way. The article described that the club shared representation- I just assumed that meant they shared an agenda.

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    Are clubs like flashdancers, New York dolls and private Eyes part of the unaffected ones? Or the ones like Lace or Penthouse? There's so many other clubs..

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    This is worrisome because this exact reason is why Tens got shut down back in 2010.
    http://www.nyc.gov/html/law/download...eZoningWin.pdf

    Pertaining your question, Dancingroo, if a club has a steakhouse or any other kind of restaurant where dancing topless is NOT permitted, the club is more than likely operating under the 60/40 rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by itsthelala View Post
    is this only in manhattan? or all the boroughs?
    They are pushing to do this in the outer boroughs as well. There were club closures years ago of clubs outside approved zones. They can tweak those zones according to the last 20yrs of community growth like new schools having opened too close to a club.

    Ariel is giving y'all good info. The rich developers in the city have a long term plan to flip as many neighborhoods into family friendly zones for the richest transplants from all over THE WORLD.
    A bit of background: NYC at the turn of the 20th century was stuffed on purpose with as many poor immigrants as possible for the Industrial Revolution. That lifestyle is over now. In the 21st century they want the best meaning richest from all over the world to revitalize the city. No more free-for-all attitude toward businesses and classes. The dropping of DACA is a glaring example of the big shift from the old economy to the new one. We need less people in general and less poor people/cheap labor specifically.

    Wealth will continue to be shifted from the middle class to the upper class and those Mom and Pop operations will be "squashed like cockroaches" as Kevin O'Leary says. It's truly a class war right now. So either target the city clubs with an upscale look and approach or prepare to shift to the suburbs.
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    Wouldn't clubs get around some of this by becoming bikini clubs? I know in some parts of the country clubs can forgo an adult entertainment license by being a "restaurant with gogo dancers".

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    ^right like Atlantic City scores you gotta wear pasty and I still did ok there and was able to sell rooms ...wouldn't be so bad ...customers will still come I think




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    i think you have to wear pasty in all of jersey but idk i could be mistaken
    That's why I'm blaming this on chris Christie lols




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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadia_ View Post
    i think you have to wear pasty in all of jersey but idk i could be mistaken
    That's why I'm blaming this on chris Christie lols
    Jersey is all bikini liquor clubs (technically we aren't suppose to wear pasties- full coverage only) or nude byobs.

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    What would happen to Sapphires if this was to go into effect? Someone told me today that Sin City was just shut down..

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