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    Default What do you think makes a successful club?

    So I've been talking with a waitress who is friends with the owner of my club. She's been using that to lobby for improvements. I was just wondering what you girls thought. I'm sure we've all had an idea at some point or another like "Man, if I ran this place I would XYZ"

    If you owned a club, what would you do to make it successful? What about your current club would you tweak to make it better?

    By successful, I mean:
    • The girls make reasonably consistent money (i.e., a bad night is not a freaking awful <$100 night)
    • It's busy enough for that AND for the club to make $$ off bar sales and cover
    • Girls and support staff are happy; not resenting each other; no drama; etc.



    So far we've already talked about:
    • Replacing the intimidating burly male staff that handle taking room $$ sales with a cute college girl
    • Utilizing only said girl + the waitresses to come tell us time is up (since they actually try to upsell another round, vs. the bouncers who just pop in and gruffly say "Time's up")
    • Having house fees make more sense; right now it's $45 between 7 and 10; there's often little money until almost 10, so no incentive for girls to come in any earlier, creating the vicious cycle of even fewer customers
    • Firing extras girls (because they are seriously killing morale and causing hot, clean dancers to leave)


    And... go!
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    - Good lighting in the dressing room. Plenty of space in the dressing room.
    - Smoking outside only, not every dancer wants to stink or covered in cheap perfume used to mask that stink.

    - DR has its own bathroom and 2 showers, make it mandatory that girls with bad hygiene have to shower or be sent home. Lowers club morale.

    - Give a 'thank you gift' for girls under contract after a certain amount of time. Like a spa treatment certificate, paid salon visit, or a free costume for working there regularly every 6 months. The longer they're there, the better the gift. Raises morale and their attitude at work.

    - A suggestions box for dancers in the DR.

    - Fruit bowl to keep the dancers fed but not bloated/'take-out' stinky breath/ or too full.

    - A 'crash' room in the back with maybe two single beds for dancers that are too drunk to go home or w/e and can 'pay' back by dancing a shift the next day or a fee.

    - Contract girls can attend a dance class once a week at the club when it's closed. It's a good self investment for the club.

    - A club that is cleaned every week. Hire some cleaners that work $50 an hour. The state of
    the club pulls in a certain clientele and that effects the dancers. Thus effecting the club. Why haven't they figured this out yet?!

    - A DJ that doesn't deliberately play 'bad' songs in order to get tipped to not. They should be put on salary and tipped when they are asked to play a specific song, otherwise they should not be so passive aggressive. (One DJ played a Bjork song and it was sooo awkward to watch the girl try and dance to it).

    - Shoe rentals. Having a variety of shoes get expensive and take up so much space. Good investment for club and options for the dancers.

    - 'Toy' machines in the DR but thongs for $1 inside the little capsules instead. Great for accidents, emergencies, etc.

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    Diverse management who can't be bought

    collecting and using feedback from dancers, dj, staff, etc.

    Dead shifts should have internet cafe with pole (to practice/earn money while live streaming) and surveillance of the front room (so dancers can run out that motherfucker soon as whales step their pinky toe over the threshold)

    Full length mirrors around poles and in dance room so dancers can see how well (or not so well - and work on that) they move.

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    Just charge a flat, reasonable house fee-don't take a cut out of the dances and definitely don't do both! Girls won't stick around if you take too much of their money. I worked at a club in Wisconsin that charged a house fee AND took a cut out of your dances and it sucked.

    Provide a clean dressing room with a refrigerator and microwave and plenty of lockers to cut down on theft, and so the dancers can bring their own food don't have to order fattening food all the time.

    Only hire dancers who look good. By this I mean, clean costumes, hair, makeup and nails done and looking good, not too overweight, etc. I'm not saying all the dancers need to look like Playboy Playmates or Victoria's Secret models, and everyone has different tastes, but clubs should have standards and not just hire anyone with a vagina. lol When I started out dancing, I was broke, but I still made sure I looked nice. I bought cheap outfits online and you can get cute bra and thong sets from Wal-Mart, Target, etc. I did my own hair and nails. It doesn't have to cost a lot of money to look nice.

    Charge a reasonable cover charge for the area you are in (i.e. Vegas clubs and New York City clubs can get away with charging a higher cover charge and drink prices than Bum Fuck, Idaho.) Some strip clubs in rural towns don't charge a cover charge at all, but I don't think this is a good idea because it attracts cheapskates.

    If dances are say, $20, have a special on a slower night like a Monday or Tuesday like 3 dances for $50.

    Don't let the dancers get too drunk.

    Fire dancers who break the rules (i.e. giving extras), but don't make the club so strict that the dancers aren't having fun or feel like they're walking on eggshells. Fire dancers who are bitches and purposely cause a lot of drama and are mean to other dancers and create a hostile work environment (they're usually not making much money for the club anyway because they are too busy causing drama and being immature).

    Let the dancers dance to the music they want to, within reason, providing it's not scaring away most of your customer base. (i.e. Too much ghetto rap scares away old white dudes with money most of the time.)

    I think the rewards for dancers who have been at the club a long time is a really great idea since there is so much turnover in this business!






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    Quote Originally Posted by blondhottie View Post

    Only hire dancers who look good.
    Omg. This right here!

    Dudes come for the fantasy woman, not the woman looking like shes fresh out of the clink.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RunawayNymphet View Post
    - 'Toy' machines in the DR but thongs for $1 inside the little capsules instead. Great for accidents, emergencies, etc.
    This is such a great and creative idea! Better yet, one of those claw machines!

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    Not allowing rules to slide. Keeping rules consistent and enforced regardless of the dancer, the season, and the staff. Which is tough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blondhottie View Post
    Only hire dancers who look good. By this I mean, clean costumes, hair, makeup and nails done and looking good, not too overweight, etc. I'm not saying all the dancers need to look like Playboy Playmates or Victoria's Secret models, and everyone has different tastes, but clubs should have standards and not just hire anyone with a vagina. lol When I started out dancing, I was broke, but I still made sure I looked nice. I bought cheap outfits online and you can get cute bra and thong sets from Wal-Mart, Target, etc. I did my own hair and nails. It doesn't have to cost a lot of money to look nice.
    THIS!
    High end clients have taste. Don't dress like a 17 year old going to a rave and expect not to be treated as such. Appeal affects the reputation of the club.
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    Put all staff members (except dancers) on a salary and eliminate the ridiculous mandatory tip out culture. I feel like I'm being pimped out every time I'm forced to give a tip to someone who did literally nothing for me. I don't mind tipping those who went above and beyond to help me make money, but why are you entitled to a tip if you did not help me in any way, shape, or form?

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    Quote Originally Posted by trustfundkiller View Post
    Put all staff members (except dancers) on a salary and eliminate the ridiculous mandatory tip out culture. I feel like I'm being pimped out every time I'm forced to give a tip to someone who did literally nothing for me.
    This is a HUGE change that I think would go a long way. That and everybody who mentioned adjusting house fees.
    If I thought back to all the things I bitch about when I'm having an "I hate dancing" week, 75% of it is probably the staff and their tip outs, and that they're making more money than the dancers that week.

    Cuts are INSANE. Sat night, between house & the room cuts, the club made $130 off me PLUS the drinks my customers were forced to order.
    The day before at another club, that has no good grounds to charge what they do to us given their location and clientele, it cost me $70 in house + dance cuts to work. It's bananas. They wouldn't HAVE a club without girls!

    I hate feeling pimped too. Every time I sold another room on Sat, the bouncers kissed my ass more and more, in hopes of an additional tip (they already get $10 a piece per girl). I *loathe* that feeling of everyone knowing what I made and being a kiss-ass in hopes of getting a piece.
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    - Ooh I also love the idea of cameras in the DR that let us see the club, thanks Miss AP!

    Double purpose: 1) customers don't come in to a club full of girls moping or on their cell phones in the corner 2) I am in a much better mood & more tolerant of the slowness if I can read a book or shoot the shit with the girls back there, rather than having to stare into the dead club or being bothered by the non-spending barflies

    - Snacks and water/Red Bull/coffee maker would be fantastic. My club keeps a fruit bowl but really honestly that doesn't help, an apple ain't gonna fix hunger IME, and it's kinda gross everyone's hands in there. Granola bars or something maybe. I really resent being charged $5 for a Red Bull too. It costs them $2
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    My current club does a lot of things right .. Its not perfect but honestly, what club is?

    - Staff is not allowed to ask for tips from dancers. There is no mandatory tip out.
    - We keep 100% of our earnings.
    - Low fees. $20 before 9 and $40 after nine. You get back $20 after every stage show. Its not a stage club so we're up there once or twice at most and most girls would rather be on the floor instead of on stage. Every stage show is paid 20 bucks.
    - You can come whenever you want and leave whenever you want.
    - No schedules but if you do want to be on a schedule you are paid $60-100 for a six hour shift.
    - VIP rooms are very open so extras become pretty obvious.
    - The customer pays us directly, no VIP host.
    - The waitresses come around the VIP asking if anyone wants drinks and informally keep an eye out on whats going on. No gruff bouncer yelling times up.
    - They're picky about who gets hired but still keep some diversity in terms of body shape/size/race/age etc.
    - Very little interaction with the bouncers/management/other staff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Layla.00 View Post
    My current club does a lot of things right .. Its not perfect but honestly, what club is?

    - Staff is not allowed to ask for tips from dancers. There is no mandatory tip out.
    - We keep 100% of our earnings.
    - Low fees. $20 before 9 and $40 after nine. You get back $20 after every stage show. Its not a stage club so we're up there once or twice at most and most girls would rather be on the floor instead of on stage. Every stage show is paid 20 bucks.
    - You can come whenever you want and leave whenever you want.
    - No schedules but if you do want to be on a schedule you are paid $60-100 for a six hour shift.
    - VIP rooms are very open so extras become pretty obvious.
    - The customer pays us directly, no VIP host.
    - The waitresses come around the VIP asking if anyone wants drinks and informally keep an eye out on whats going on. No gruff bouncer yelling times up.
    - They're picky about who gets hired but still keep some diversity in terms of body shape/size/race/age etc.
    - Very little interaction with the bouncers/management/other staff.
    Sounds like my dream club!

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    Quote Originally Posted by trustfundkiller View Post
    Sounds like my dream club!
    It's a pretty sweet place but not perfect by no means. The owners a spoiled daughter of some rich guy who inherited the business. The GM is a roid head who regularly has hormonal outbursts. There's not enough champagne rooms and they're often booked all night. I make all of my money from the regular VIP. Canadian customers don't tip. The club is on the smaller side so it reaches capacity pretty quickly.

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    This is a great thread. The current bone I have to pick with my club in Montreal is all these stupid burlesque girls with their terrible 1950's burlesque music. When your 50 year old customer complains the music here makes him feel old, you know it's a real problem!

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    Honestly ... letting the Hells Angels run it...

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    These ideas are great ! I may repeat some already listed buh here it goes!

    -Diverse dancers who are top notch in respects to their look, outfits, nails, hair, attitude, etc.. & diverse in terms of short, tall, skinny, plus size model type, white, black, asian, latina, indian, native, mixed, all body shapes, girl next door, super model type, bombshell, exotic.. etc . I emphasize diversity because all too often a certain club is always known for a certain type of dancer with a sprinkle of this or that. I think appealing to every mans fantasy would be great for the dancers, the club & the customers .

    -One reasonable fee that is the house fee & no cuts from VIP/ Champagne rooms or lap dances..

    -This may be corny buh I always thought it would be kool to have a talent show once a year lol . This would be awesome for regular dancers & customers.. Great way for customers to fall more in love with their fav dancer & open their wallets even more cause now they really feel like they "know" you. Or maybe fall in love with a new dancer..

    -Healthy foods & fruits in the DR for dancers & cases of bottle water for dancers

    -Showers in DR

    -A gift or cash prize to whoever sells the most rooms & dances every month.

    -SEXY music only. We may like heavy metal rock or gangster rap in our own time buh music is more powerful than we think & the music can easily affect the clubs vibe. There's sexy music in every genre- rock, hip hop, pop, R&B, dance, etc...

    -Mandatory sales training for newbies & mandatory dance classes for all dancers twice a month . I am sorry buh this IS show biz after all & some dancers are so uninspiring.. the dance classes aren't for the technical training whether that is pole work or floor work buh more for building character that will be great for the stage.. learning pole work or floor work is only a plus..

    -For safety reasons, dancers parking spaces should be separate from customers parking spaces & bouncers should be obligated to escort all dancers to their car & wait for them to pull off until going back inside the club.

    -Lap dance rules should be enforced! If it isn't a contact club then NO contact whatsoever! If it is then the contact allowed should be explained to all dancers. Contact should only mean caressing each other buh all private parts (vagina, anus, breasts & mouth) should be off limits to touching, kissing & licking.. I am tired of seeing dancers making out with the customers or getting their breasts sucked on. The prices should differ as well . A table dance (air dance) should be $20 a song, no contact lap dances should be $25 a song, & contact lap dances $30 a song. Higher if nude club.

    -The staff should all be women... the managers, waitresses, bartenders, hostess, coat check, door girl, HELL even the DJ lol . Why not hear a sexy voice introducing the next talent to the stage & seducing you with her voice to "empty those wallets". The bouncers should be men though .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaylenn View Post
    -A gift or cash prize to whoever sells the most rooms & dances every month.

    -Mandatory sales training for newbies & mandatory dance classes for all dancers twice a month . I am sorry buh this IS show biz after all & some dancers are so uninspiring.. the dance classes aren't for the technical training whether that is pole work or floor work buh more for building character that will be great for the stage.. learning pole work or floor work is only a plus..

    -For safety reasons, dancers parking spaces should be separate from customers parking spaces & bouncers should be obligated to escort all dancers to their car & wait for them to pull off until going back inside the club.

    -The staff should all be women... the managers, waitresses, bartenders, hostess, coat check, door girl, HELL even the DJ lol . Why not hear a sexy voice introducing the next talent to the stage & seducing you with her voice to "empty those wallets". The bouncers should be men though .
    Girl, yes! All of that!

    Personally, I would charge a cut of room sales and that's it, then set a cap on the roster of girls & every month go through room sales. Those that aren't selling X number/month have their contracts terminated, making room for new girls.

    Re: the DJ being a woman, I was told it's because "Men don't respond well to a woman's voice telling them what to do." Yeah, because I see them obeying so well when the male DJ tells them to tip
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    Quote Originally Posted by SnuffleUffleGrass View Post
    Honestly ... letting the Hells Angels run it...
    IME, NOT letting the hell's angels run it. They're a gang of scary racists. At the last club I worked at they owned a girl was shot on stage.

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    Fairer cuts out of room sales: The club not raking into their pockets 3/4ths of what the customer is charged would be a super, super start.

    I know this is unrealistic for a place like NYC, Vegas or any other big dancer mecca, but limiting the number of dancers working would be ideal for the dancers. Less dancers, not more. I worked at a place where there were imposed caps per shift of dancers allowed to work. Such a policy sucks big time for customers and would most likely cause the club to fail quicker than later. At the same time though it keeps dancer morale up. More and more beautiful women everywhere with a la carte menu of unlimited options as far as women are concerned can cause males to act more unruly and entitled than they would otherwise.

    But then again, if the club employs more dancers as an extra source of revenue to compensate for dips in business during off seasons, more dancers makes sense from a corporate perspective.

    I also think any place where women are selling their sexuality in one form or another should have a woman in charge, not a bunch of old white dudes with money who decide to go into the strip club business as an additional revenue. All men should be chased out of this business. It's ridiculous that they are in charge in the first place. This includes Hell's Angels...lol

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    A successful club would have a steady stream of customers who come to buy dances,and at least tip the girls on stage. It would not matter what time of day, or which day of the week you came to work, there would be decent customers there.


    The club itself would be reasonably clean, and have a fun atmosphere.


    They would hire decent looking girls who take care of their bodies. I don't understand why some clubs hire a ton of girls instead of less girls who are all attractive yet diverse, so we have a variety for the men who come in. Yes they make $$ off of housefees, but if they actually had hotter girls instead of a lot of mediocre ones, they would have more men in there, and the $$ they make from liquor/dances/rooms would outweigh the housefee $$.


    To me these are simple common sense things, but it's hard to find a club that has all of these things.
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    No schedules
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    No club exclusivity

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