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    Does anyone else think of the karmic ramifications of dancing, particularly at gentlemen's clubs where a lot of us need to sell fantasies...sometimes lie... to get customers to spend??

    I think about this all the time. Especially when I have nights that I have those customers who I know WONT spend unless I am "vague" about possibly giving them my phone number or possibly going to see them after work. I usually keep my answers very vague and make it known they need to spend money on me at work and then "Well after the club closes I have to go change, and then check out and wait in line and its going to be AT LEAST 45 mins. before I get out of here, we are walked out by security too so I can't meet with you but maybe after that.... "
    Like those guys, those stubborn ones that usually see escorts and of course they are married guys usually and just generally pieces of shit. So its like, why should I feel bad? Sometimes I still do tho...

    And sometimes when I notice a lot of phonys or liars coming into my personal life, I start to think.... "is this my karma for lying in dancing??"

    This is why I prefer 'wanna dance/make it rain' clubs cuz 97% of the time I don't need to deal with this, but at gentlemens clubs its more common...
    How do you girls feel about this?? any insight or maybe ways you like to 'clear your energy' when dancing??

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    i feel you, girl . i certainly believe in karma and it has crossed my mind that all the lying is not doing much for me karmatically. then again, i like to view this job as an acting job more than anything else. do you think actors create bad karma for "lying" / portraying someone who they are not? i guess one could argue that in the case of a tv actor, everybody is well aware that they are only playing a role, but then again - wouldnt people be aware of it in a strip club, too? how many times do guys ask you "so what is your real name?" or how often do you hear someone say "oh come on, that was a lie, wasn't it" - i do all the time. it indicates that they, too, are AWARE that you are merely portraying a fantasy.
    as for the more blatant lies, could you be even more vague?
    if someone asks me to meet them after work and i know they wont buy dances if i say no, i will say shit like "lets talk about it over a lapdance" or "lets see what happens" or "you can give me your number and i will call you if i feel like it".

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    I don't feel bad. A strip club is a fantasy experience & that extends to verbal excitement.

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    Absolutely not. What about their karma for using women for sex, lying and cheating on their wives? What about thier karma for perpetuating rape culture, patriarchal norms, their karma for being unconscious of their male privilege and not listening to and abusing women and children and other men? Don't forget that these men deserve every "lie" (it's a fantasy, not a lie) we feed them and they deserve to have their wallets drained by us. WE are their karma. WE are doing the world a service by giving these men our time, attention, beauty, expertise, and taking their money in exchange.

    You create your reality! 100% If you feel guilty about what you are doing, your reality will reflect that 100%!!

    I am doing these men a service. Their entire lives are more blessed and beautiful because I spoke to them, let alone touched them. They have been absolutely graced by my presence so much that they desire to pay me for it, again and again.

    Think about it this way: should actors and showpeople feel guilt for "lying" to their audience? Does the audience feel ripped off after a show because it "wasn't real"? No, but that's what we are: we are showpeople. You go to the movies to be entertained, you go see a band for the experience, not to take the actors/ musicians home with you. You don't assume that they made that movie/ set just for you, and then feel entitled to their bodies. You are richer for the experience of the entertainment, THAT is the only reason you went to be entertained.

    These men will try to make you feel guilty for hustling them because they have been taught from birth that women owe what we are selling them for free. These men might feel entitled to us and misunderstand the fact that we are a fantasy, but that is NOT our problem in any capacity. That's just the patriarchy in action, telling men that they are entitled to our emotional, physical and mental labor for free. Your guilt is a product of the patriarchy! We are selling a fantasy, and any customer who abuses their male privilege by demanding our free labor, consciously or unconsciously, deserves to have all of their money taken by us and much, much more.
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    I love this entire post. ��

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    I do agree that MOST of the customers that we all hustle are just dirtbags that deserve it anyway... I once had a regular I hustled homeless (seriously... he was also going thru a horrible divorce and his wife took all of his businesses too), but as I got to know him and the pity party he tried to play with me with his wife being horrible during the divorce and just everything he was losing and then for a while I felt kind of bad because I was like... "dude I have seriously hustled this guy homeless..hes coming into the club, has no place to live, hasn't showered and will still spend $900 on me.. " he obviously even ran out of that extra money to spend and eventually stopped coming in. He was also a huge coke head and I learned that he had kicked his wife in the face and also regularly cheated on her with prostitutes.

    So, lets just say after learning who he truly is, I don't feel bad for hustling him as much as I did.

    He now gives me free pedicab rides downtown because thats the kind of job he ended up getting in the end lol. It's pretty hilarious actually if I randomly run into him.
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    But I have also had moments in dancing where I have just felt bad or wrong about agreeing to something or basically being a con artists with certain regulars... it's just such a blurry line. You can try and brush it off as "oh its just fantasy these guys know that"; but the reality is A LOT of girls date regulars, sleep with guys from work and go home with guys; so no..... I think its less of a fantasy to many men than ever now a days with how many extras go on, and all the rest etc etc.

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    I don't think it's bad karma. The strip club is a fantasy experience and these men know what they're signing for when they walk through the door. You aren't preying on the innocent ...they are making a conscious choice to be there.

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    I'm always up front, it's not worth the hassle for me to lie about extra things going on honestly...
    Dress to kill the wallet.

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    All I'm really saying is i think its a blurry line sometimes between reality and fantasy and what directly impacts our personal karma or not..

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    So don't lie directly about meeting them afterwards because since many girls do in fact do "afties", they often do believe you and that's when you either lose a customer for good, they complain about you, or they wait for you outside like a weirdo lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arielbriel View Post
    So don't lie directly about meeting them afterwards because since many girls do in fact do "afties", they often do believe you and that's when you either lose a customer for good, they complain about you, or they wait for you outside like a weirdo lol.

    Thats where I'm saying the lines can be blurry... some guys say they will spend $300 to talk to you for a bit and then they wanna meet or exchange numbers or whatever and so I usually play dumb or am vague, I never AGREE to do anything, I leave everything as a possibility. Especially if the guy will spend another 1k for another 1.5 hrs of my time just talking at work if he thinks he can talk me into meeting him later, I always say it's something I don't do..but my morality lines grow vague after the first 1k... I guess it's always a customer by customer decision on how to tailor things...

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    I always say at this point, no I'm sorry I'm not a prostitute like super blunt, and they're like Omg of course not... of course you don't just fuck anyone with a dolllar... but don't you like me, and then I'm like of course I'm turned on I'm still a human, I'm really in this bitch, LOL... so we can be friends and see how well we get along, never say never, vs. Yes daddy I want 3000roses please. There's definitely a fine line between leading them on/exhchanging info, and creating a situation where they're expecting you in their hotel room or waiting in the Street for you!!!

    But Babb is right. Men want everything all the time. They feel entitled to it. It's not your job to own or acknowledge that entitlement. Your problem is basically that you're a kind person in a cruel world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babb View Post
    Absolutely not. What about their karma for using women for sex, lying and cheating on their wives? What about thier karma for perpetuating rape culture, patriarchal norms, their karma for being unconscious of their male privilege and not listening to and abusing women and children and other men? Don't forget that these men deserve every "lie" (it's a fantasy, not a lie) we feed them and they deserve to have their wallets drained by us. WE are their karma. WE are doing the world a service by giving these men our time, attention, beauty, expertise, and taking their money in exchange.

    You create your reality! 100% If you feel guilty about what you are doing, your reality will reflect that 100%!!

    I am doing these men a service. Their entire lives are more blessed and beautiful because I spoke to them, let alone touched them. They have been absolutely graced by my presence so much that they desire to pay me for it, again and again.

    Think about it this way: should actors and showpeople feel guilt for "lying" to their audience? Does the audience feel ripped off after a show because it "wasn't real"? No, but that's what we are: we are showpeople. You go to the movies to be entertained, you go see a band for the experience, not to take the actors/ musicians home with you. You don't assume that they made that movie/ set just for you, and then feel entitled to their bodies. You are richer for the experience of the entertainment, THAT is the only reason you went to be entertained.

    These men will try to make you feel guilty for hustling them because they have been taught from birth that women owe what we are selling them for free. These men might feel entitled to us and misunderstand the fact that we are a fantasy, but that is NOT our problem in any capacity. That's just the patriarchy in action, telling men that they are entitled to our emotional, physical and mental labor for free. Your guilt is a product of the patriarchy! We are selling a fantasy, and any customer who abuses their male privilege by demanding our free labor, consciously or unconsciously, deserves to have all of their money taken by us and much, much more.
    This! I love it!

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    Customers aren't people. If you're going to have this moral dilemma go join a religious order. This is a job like any other. Karma, my half Mexican half Irish ass. There's no karma when it comes to customers. There's predators and prey.
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    Things like stealing money out of his pocket/using his credit cards to do purchases he isn't aware of, or dumping some sort of drug(that he didn't agree to do) in his drink to black out... things like that, to me is bad karma.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyanka View Post
    Things like stealing money out of his pocket/using his credit cards to do purchases he isn't aware of, or dumping some sort of drug(that he didn't agree to do) in his drink to black out... things like that, to me is bad karma.
    Agreed. Stuff like that is messed up.
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    Let me put this another way....high end Restaurants don't feel guilty about mark ups for wine liquor and luxury food items..the restaurant charges for hospitality and atmosphere plus service.

    A dancer is a beautiful woman doing something for the customers that not just anyone else can do. She earns her $$$ & often pays high overhead costs to do so. I don't see where she is doing wrong.

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    No. I dont believe in karma like that anyways and even if I did I dont feel like im doing anything wrong that would be deserving of "bad karma". Besides if you never actually say yes to meeting them after work or whatever thats their problem for taking anything as a yes. Its their fault for being dissapointed if they thought maybe meant yes.

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