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    Default Re: Net Neutrality Regulations REVIEWED and SCUTTLED

    I've seen lots of people attacking Comcast on twitter. Comcast saying they won't be charging for every little thing & the replies are just hilarious. Like then why did Comcast & all the others pay lobbyist to get NN removed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PinkPopcorn View Post
    So by undoing Obama's net neutrality the internet becomes pay to play and we're all fucked because even if WE can afford good internet our customers may not be able to?

    Am I getting this?
    There are several issues is that bigger sites can pay to have faster upload speeds than other sites. Example Live Jasmin can load super fast, where as a smaller site like SM be way slower. Customers will stop going to SM & just go to LJ.

    They also want to do with FCC regulations with news media. Right now a new media corporation can NOT own the tv station, the Radio station & the news paper all in the same regional area. Then the locals would only hear one side of a story, imagine if Fox News owned all those media outlets. NOW on top of it, all their sites loaded faster than CNN. Then people would only hear Fox News version of things. Control over the media leads to dictatorships.

    They also want to let more foreign ownerships of our news media outlets. So if a rich foreign leader who was rich bought out all the news media in that country, then they can control the narrative. If they can slow down other websites & news online too............

    Imagine if Breitbart had control of all the news media online, radio, tv, newspapers. Nor would I want CNN/Time Warner to be bought by AT & T, then AT & T with their mobile, tv empire can create only ONE narrative & none of hear the other sides opinion. At & t is also the cable company for many Americans. There would be no balance & only one person who owned it all controlling everything we watch, hear & read. It would be too easy for one person to control the world through mass media.

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    https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/...n-Court-140800

    With the FCC slated to ignore the public and vote anyway to repeal net neutrality on December 14, many may wonder what happens next. After the expected 3-2 vote to kill the popular rules, the repeal will likely be posted in the federal register sometime in January. That will be the green light for numerous lawsuits against the FCC that will be filed by both consumer groups, and the smaller companies and competitors who'll likely be harmed by eliminating meaningful oversight of some of the least competitive, and least liked, companies in America.

    And the FCC has its work cut out for it in court.

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    Default Re: Net Neutrality Regulations REVIEWED and SCUTTLED

    So.. Cliffs Notes, are you saying the net neutrality will be safe?
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    Default Re: Net Neutrality Regulations REVIEWED and SCUTTLED

    According to the article, the changes won't be going into effect any time soon, due to lawsuits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam38g View Post
    Like then why did Comcast & all the others pay lobbyist to get NN removed. Power Corrupts, Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely.
    Well, those lobbyists just don't pay for themselves now do they?

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    Ok..
    If you all want to help make sure we keep NN..
    Go tohttp://www.gofccyourself.com


    *Click on the 17-108, (Restoring 'net freedom) click on + Express in blue

    *Be sure to hit 'enter' after you put in you name & email, you may also have to move the cursor too

    *in the comment section write, "I strongly support net neutrality backed by Title 2 oversight of ISPs

    This did NOT work on my phone for some reason, so I had to do it on a regular computer

    *make sure you hit submit at the end!

    Please, share this, as much as possible!

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    Default Re: Net Neutrality Regulations REVIEWED and SCUTTLED

    Get ready to fight, people. This is it. This is only the beginning. When I say fight I don't mean protesting either, because protesting and calling and writing letters doesn't do shit.
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    Someone explains to me, please. What is "net neutrality"? one article says it's about the ISP provider can't limit the user bandwidth, another article says it's about censorship...
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    Quote Originally Posted by baer45 View Post
    Someone explains to me, please. What is "net neutrality"? one article says it's about the ISP provider can't limit the user bandwidth, another article says it's about censorship...
    It's both. Imagine that you cable provider decides that they will drop half the channels they previously offered. Now you must go to a new provider--IF there are other providers in your area. Once you get out into the country, you can't grab wifi from many businesses, govt offices, etc. So either you get it at your home or you don't get it at all.

    Imagine you cable provider decides to jack up the price of half the channels because the other half PAID the cable provider to keep offering them on the cheap.

    Worst of all imagine your cable provider decides they won't offer certain competitive sites at ANY price. In this case, some providers have money in cable and offering ISP buuuut Hulu competes with Showtime and they want to stop offering it in the hopes that Hulu will die. Or they offer HBO and make tons off of it so they decide to stop offering Netflix in the hopes Netflix will die.

    Forget about Porn, and cam sites if they decide to make the internet "Family Friendly". No more Stripperweb for those on standard vanilla ISPs.
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    So the idea was to keep the Net Neutral by offering anything the consumer wants to enter into their search engine. No funky tolls or censorship for sexual reasons, political reasons, etc.
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    Default Re: Net Neutrality Regulations REVIEWED and SCUTTLED

    There's also a similar thread in Cam Conn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist View Post
    It's both. Imagine that you cable provider decides that they will drop half the channels they previously offered. Now you must go to a new provider--IF there are other providers in your area. Once you get out into the country, you can't grab wifi from many businesses, govt offices, etc. So either you get it at your home or you don't get it at all.

    Imagine you cable provider decides to jack up the price of half the channels because the other half PAID the cable provider to keep offering them on the cheap.

    Worst of all imagine your cable provider decides they won't offer certain competitive sites at ANY price. In this case, some providers have money in cable and offering ISP buuuut Hulu competes with Showtime and they want to stop offering it in the hopes that Hulu will die. Or they offer HBO and make tons off of it so they decide to stop offering Netflix in the hopes Netflix will die.

    Forget about Porn, and cam sites if they decide to make the internet "Family Friendly". No more Stripperweb for those on standard vanilla ISPs.
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    Theoretically, the darknet could provide internet access if they can go completely off grid. That would be one way to keep net neutrality--the govs cannot touch completely untraceable access. With wind and solar power being so cheap and having many billionaires on the side of keeping net neutrality, it is completely viable to have someone like Elon Musk, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerburg, Richard Branson and/or Jack Ma take the internet off grid and become true philanthropists and save democracy.

    With cryptocurrency, it is all even more untraceable and untouchable to build infrastructure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hyori View Post
    Theoretically, the darknet could provide internet access if they can go completely off grid. That would be one way to keep net neutrality--the govs cannot touch completely untraceable access. With wind and solar power being so cheap and having many billionaires on the side of keeping net neutrality, it is completely viable to have someone like Elon Musk, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerburg, Richard Branson and/or Jack Ma take the internet off grid and become true philanthropists and save democracy.

    With cryptocurrency, it is all even more untraceable and untouchable to build infrastructure.
    In the US the Internal Revenue Service is making moves to collect data on the people who struck gold using bitcoins. Many of those people did not declare that income and now the government is coming for them. https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyph.../#141294a9259a

    Now going forward things will not be as untraceable as it once was. Today it's coinbase and soon before you know it all e-wallets will be forced to hand over information. New startups who have real value attached to their coins and tokens will get squeezed and slapped with all sorts of regulations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhatGirlDynomite!!! View Post
    In the US the Internal Revenue Service is making moves to collect data on the people who struck gold using bitcoins. Many of those people did not declare that income and now the government is coming for them. https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyph.../#141294a9259a

    Now going forward things will not be as untraceable as it once was. Today it's coinbase and soon before you know it all e-wallets will be forced to hand over information. New startups who have real value attached to their coins and tokens will get squeezed and slapped with all sorts of regulations.

    The whole point of using bitcoins is because it's uncontrollable. It's not controllable by the central banks...and it's secured. I've heard the first bitcoin heist a few days ago, that means bitcoin is not as safe as they claimed.
    If IRS can trace the bitcoins then bitcoins serve no purpuse and the value will drop dramatically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baer45 View Post
    The whole point of using bitcoins is because it's uncontrollable. It's not controllable by the central banks...and it's secured. I've heard the first bitcoin heist a few days ago, that means bitcoin is not as safe as they claimed.
    If IRS can trace the bitcoins then bitcoins serve no purpuse and the value will drop dramatically.
    It wasn't the first time a mining service was robbed. Plenty of other bitcoin mining companies have been hacked and it's never been completely secure. The way the IRS is currently trying to collect info is by demanding that Coinbase an ewallet give up info for previous traders who sent more than $20,000 to them. Ewallets are the go between the block chain and the banks. In the past bitcoin may have been a viable option for collecting funds and creating transactions, but now it's probably better to use it as an investment vs. currency.

    The point I was trying to make here in this thread before this goes too off topic is.. using cryptocurrencies on a new internet aren't really a solution for the problems we may face here in the US, after losing net neutrality.

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    There's still hope and not all is lost. I wasn't derailing the thread, I was just trying to see alternatives and I think seeing other viable options are very relevant to this topic.

    Consumers don't realize the power they have. If ISP's start charging for access to sites, do you really think people are going to pay for it? ISP's will go out of business! People are not going to pay for access to YouTube and Facebook. It's already bad enough that once thriving news companies can't even make money charging for online subscriptions. The ISP's are fucking morons.

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    Please don't edit my post. I've noticed my posts are being edited and I don't really know why. Please let me know why my posts are being edited as I would like to know. This isn't being hostile, I honestly have no idea why. I also find it unfair and over moderated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hyori View Post
    There's still hope and not all is lost. I wasn't derailing the thread, I was just trying to see alternatives and I think seeing other viable options are very relevant to this topic.

    Consumers don't realize the power they have. If ISP's start charging for access to sites, do you really think people are going to pay for it? ISP's will go out of business! People are not going to pay for access to YouTube and Facebook. It's already bad enough that once thriving news companies can't even make money charging for online subscriptions. The ISP's are fucking morons.

    We're not going to lose the internet.
    I wasn't trying to say that you were derailing the topic, I was referring to myself. And also wanted to point that here in the US the government is gearing up to have a greater ability to monitor even the alternatives. I'm not saying people shouldn't talk about it, but you should be aware of all the complications involved. Block chain technology was far ahead of most governments but now they're trying to play catchup. The same government agency here in the US (FCC) that voted against net neutrality are also involved in deciding what happens with Crypto. So yea, there's a definite connection especially if isp's decided to block blockchains and ewallet services. Right now the IRS doesn't have full access to all crypto companies but it can happen once "they" are done making deals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hyori View Post
    Please don't edit my post. I've noticed my posts are being edited and I don't really know why. Please let me know why my posts are being edited as I would like to know. This isn't being hostile, I honestly have no idea why. I also find it unfair and over moderated.
    Hyori you say this wasn't meant to be hostile but then go on to say its unfair and over moderated. Today all I did was respond to something you wrote. It's a message board and I can do that. I think you may have gotten a few signals crossed? In the past I've explained to you why I've either deleted or moved a post or thread. I've also have told you that if you had an issue you could always send me a message. Why you decided to take this stance is mind boggling. If you want to discuss it more then please send me a private message because now things really are off topic.

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    Time for the Internet 2.0, I guess Now there's a million dollar idea!

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    There is talk on reddit about public broadband and all the possibilities. I think it would be fantastic! The Internet 2.0 would be free, faster and robust because actual profit would be used to improve infrastructure instead of filling up share holders fat greedy wallets. The FCC only helped to fuel the creation of these ideas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hyori View Post
    There's still hope and not all is lost. I wasn't derailing the thread, I was just trying to see alternatives and I think seeing other viable options are very relevant to this topic.

    Consumers don't realize the power they have. If ISP's start charging for access to sites, do you really think people are going to pay for it? ISP's will go out of business! People are not going to pay for access to YouTube and Facebook. It's already bad enough that once thriving news companies can't even make money charging for online subscriptions. The ISP's are fucking morons.

    We're not going to lose the internet.
    It is not considered likely that ISPs will try to charge end users. What is more likely is that the ISPs will have greater freedom to pick and choose which content providers can use their bandwith and for what price.

    As anyone here who reads the Dollar Den sections knows, my political leaning are generally far to the right, but not on this issue. I am very concerned about the monopoly power that broadband providers hold in many markets and what that will mean for our access to innovative content. ISPs will be able to pick and choose what we are allowed to see and at what speeds, which bothers me not only as a consumer, but also as a small business owner. Even existing services like Netflix and Hulu could be held hostage. At the very least, the cost of popular services that we could enjoy could get a lot more expensive as the service providers will need to past the additional access costs along somewhere.

    I would feel differently if a small number of ISPs did not have such control over our collective Internet access, but as it currently stands, they do.

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