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    I need some comments and opinions from dancers on an idea -

    I am thinking about creating a virtual reality strip club. A person would put on their VR goggles in their home and enter a virtual reality strip club. It would be a very big and nice club with many dancers on stage and dancers on poles (we could even offer a selection of clubs with different themes and music). Then, when the player has picked out his favorite dancer, he could go into the VIP room with her and he get a virtual reality lap dance. The strip club itself would probably be created from computer graphics and animation, but, the VIP room experience would be a VR video with a real dancer. It is not a live video. The lap dances are pre-recorded, but, they feel live on the VR goggle. (Eventually, it may be possible to have live VR lap dances, but, that would require very sophisticated hardware and software that I do not have right now.)

    I only know of one business that is doing something similar to this, and, I believe I can do it better. Lap dances would be very cheap (like $2 per dance) and could get progressively sexy (but, not hard core pornographic). The lap dance videos would change every week (new costumes, new dances, etc.) to keep things new and fresh so the customers keep coming back. Making it interactive would be a challenge (because, it is not live), but, there could be a little interaction, like having options that trigger different video clips to make it seem interactive, for example, - press 1 to tell the dancer she is beautiful, press 2 to touch her bottom, press 3 to touch her boobs, etc. (in the VR headset you see a hand that appears to be your hand touching the dancer's body). Each option would trigger a different video with the dancer "responding" to the option selected.

    As ladies that are already in the adult entertainment industry, what do you think of this idea? Do you think it will be a success or a failure? Do you think dancers would be interested in signing up to do these videos? (I know that dancers generally do not like to be video recorded and this would be accessible world wide.) As far as compensation for the dancers, there could be one of two compensation structures - (1) small royalty payment every time a customer pays to watch their lap dance video (it would be a small amount per dance, about half a dollar, but, it could add up quickly depending on the traffic), or (2) a fixed payment per each hour of video. Which payment structure would be more attractive to dancers? If you would prefer a fixed payment, what would be your minimum asking price?

    Any other ideas or suggestions? I thought about adding some 'stripper drama' scenes in the club as entertainment, etc.
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    I’m not sure that guys would pay per lapdance, for a simulation with no *real* interaction, personalized conversation, etc. You’d have to make all the girls enticing enough and have high quality recordings to get customers to keep spending.

    Would girls be interested in being recorded? If you pay them well, sure. IMO, you’d be better off asking camgirls, many of whom have stripping experience.

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    This will happen, but to get it started you’ll need the complicity of a lot of players. Probably better if you own the club first.
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    Actually,this niche idea would be great if your had either your own stripclub or physical cam studio. However, your prices seem a bit too cheap for VR. I mean why only 2 dollars per dance? That would be weird for most strippers and cam models to get. Also, what would be your hiring requirements? Have you started working on the marketing?Also, would you paid per min or would you be offering paid memberships? What are the cuts for the performers? So many questions and not enough proper information. Come back after working more on this project.
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    @DonaDiabla

    Good questions!

    Quote Originally Posted by DonaDiabla View Post
    Actually,this niche idea would be great if your had either your own stripclub or physical cam studio.
    I live in Houston where there are already too many stripclubs. Setting up a virtual strip club would cost a fraction of the price of a real one, and, if successful, would be a lot more profitable. It would also be a lot of fun, because, it would ride on the cutting of technology.

    A cam studio is a good idea, but, very expensive, so it may be 'stage 2' of the project, after revenues start pouring in. A decent VR camera can cost about $15,000, and, we may need a dozen of then for peak times. We'd also need a large place that can be divided into a dozen small 'VIP rooms'.

    Quote Originally Posted by DonaDiabla View Post
    However, your prices seem a bit too cheap for VR. I mean why only 2 dollars per dance? That would be weird for most strippers and cam models to get.
    I think if it is cheap enough, a guy (or girl) may buy 10 lap dances and end up paying $20 each time he (or she) visits. Maybe I should make it $5 per lap dance - pasties and bikini bottoms, and, $10 per lap dance fully nude (a little dirty, but, no overt sex acts). VR porn costs about $20 per month, so, we would have to stay competitive with that. I don't think anyone would pay more than that when real lap dances cost $20.

    Quote Originally Posted by DonaDiabla View Post
    Also, what would be your hiring requirements?
    Hiring requirements would depend on customers' requests. We would start off with a diverse set of beautiful girls and see where expansion is necessary to meet demand. E.g., if Asian girls are very popular, we would hire more Asian girls, etc. Also, we would cater to different fantasies, like, some dancers could dress in thigh high leather boots and behave very dominant, and, others could behave very submissive and wear a schoolgirl uniform, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by DonaDiabla View Post
    Also, would you [pay] per min or would you be offering paid memberships? What are the cuts for the performers?
    I was thinking about making it like a real strip club - free to come in, walk around, etc., but, private lap dances cost money on a per dance basis. First dance is mild, and each dance progresses to become a little sexier.

    As far as the cut for the performers, that was my question and one of the main reasons for posting this thread. I asked, "As far as compensation for the dancers, there could be one of two compensation structures - (1) small royalty payment every time a customer pays to watch their lap dance video (it would be a small amount per dance, about half a dollar, but, it could add up quickly depending on the traffic), or (2) a fixed payment per each hour of video. Which payment structure would be more attractive to dancers? If you would prefer a fixed payment, what would be your minimum asking price?"

    Quote Originally Posted by DonaDiabla View Post
    Come back after working more on this project.
    The point of posting this thread is to get some industry research and ideas to help me fill-in those details.

    Compared to a real-life strip club experience -

    The downside of a VR SC:
    (1) its not real (but, then again, neither is the act you get from a real dancer),
    (2) you do not FEEL a real dancer on your lap, and
    (3) there is very little interaction with the dancer (unless the lap dance is live in real time, and this becomes more like a VR camming),

    The upside of a VR SC:
    (1) very convenient; you do not have to leave your home,
    (2) very cheap,
    (3) very good VISUALS cause your brain/imagination to fill in the gaps missing with the other senses, otherwise, no one would be interested in watching porn. (The graphics of VR are already amazing and the technology is rapidly developing), and
    (4) you can masturbate during an erotic lap dance to reach a full climax compared to (none-extras) lap dances that can leave you sexually frustrated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahuba View Post
    This will happen, but to get it started you’ll need the complicity of a lot of players. Probably better if you own the club first.
    I have no interest in owning a real club, but maybe, I could find a club to partner with on mutual marketing, sharing dancers, etc. I would have to find a smaller independent SC, so, that I don't have to go through the many corporate and legal layers.
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    jack0177057,
    You such an great idea but I have some suggestions.

    1.Hire some alternative,plus size, and more women of color besides Asian. Why? Because since this is VR, customers are more willing seek out these girls since they can't be judged like how they are at the regular strip clubs.

    2. Maybe get girls who are private dancers, cam models, and private performers.

    3. Work with these girls as partners instead of employees.

    4. Charge 5 dollars per dance.

    5. Have an great marketing and advertising team.

    Good luck


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    @DonaDiabla

    Good questions!



    I live in Houston where there are already too many stripclubs. Setting up a virtual strip club would cost a fraction of the price of a real one, and, if successful, would be a lot more profitable. It would also be a lot of fun, because, it would ride on the cutting of technology.

    A cam studio is a good idea, but, very expensive, so it may be 'stage 2' of the project, after revenues start pouring in. A decent VR camera can cost about $15,000, and, we may need a dozen of then for peak times. We'd also need a large place that can be divided into a dozen small 'VIP rooms'.



    I think if it is cheap enough, a guy (or girl) may buy 10 lap dances and end up paying $20 each time he (or she) visits. Maybe I should make it $5 per lap dance - pasties and bikini bottoms, and, $10 per lap dance fully nude (a little dirty, but, no overt sex acts). VR porn costs about $20 per month, so, we would have to stay competitive with that. I don't think anyone would pay more than that when real lap dances cost $20.



    Hiring requirements would depend on customers' requests. We would start off with a diverse set of beautiful girls and see where expansion is necessary to meet demand. E.g., if Asian girls are very popular, we would hire more Asian girls, etc. Also, we would cater to different fantasies, like, some dancers could dress in thigh high leather boots and behave very dominant, and, others could behave very submissive and wear a schoolgirl uniform, etc.



    I was thinking about making it like a real strip club - free to come in, walk around, etc., but, private lap dances cost money on a per dance basis. First dance is mild, and each dance progresses to become a little sexier.

    As far as the cut for the performers, that was my question and one of the main reasons for posting this thread. I asked, "As far as compensation for the dancers, there could be one of two compensation structures - (1) small royalty payment every time a customer pays to watch their lap dance video (it would be a small amount per dance, about half a dollar, but, it could add up quickly depending on the traffic), or (2) a fixed payment per each hour of video. Which payment structure would be more attractive to dancers? If you would prefer a fixed payment, what would be your minimum asking price?"



    The point of posting this thread is to get some industry research and ideas to help me fill-in those details.

    Compared to a real-life strip club experience -

    The downside of a VR SC:
    (1) its not real (but, then again, neither is the act you get from a real dancer),
    (2) you do not FEEL a real dancer on your lap, and
    (3) there is very little interaction with the dancer (unless the lap dance is live in real time, and this becomes more like a VR camming),

    The upside of a VR SC:
    (1) very convenient; you do not have to leave your home,
    (2) very cheap,
    (3) very good VISUALS cause your brain/imagination to fill in the gaps missing with the other senses, otherwise, no one would be interested in watching porn. (The graphics of VR are already amazing and the technology is rapidly developing), and
    (4) you can masturbate during an erotic lap dance to reach a full climax compared to (none-extras) lap dances that can leave you sexually frustrated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post
    I need some comments and opinions from dancers on an idea -

    I am thinking about creating a virtual reality strip club. A person would put on their VR goggles in their home and enter a virtual reality strip club. It would be a very big and nice club with many dancers on stage and dancers on poles (we could even offer a selection of clubs with different themes and music). Then, when the player has picked out his favorite dancer, he could go into the VIP room with her and he get a virtual reality lap dance. The strip club itself would probably be created from computer graphics and animation, but, the VIP room experience would be a VR video with a real dancer. It is not a live video. The lap dances are pre-recorded, but, they feel live on the VR goggle. (Eventually, it may be possible to have live VR lap dances, but, that would require very sophisticated hardware and software that I do not have right now.)

    I only know of one business that is doing something similar to this, and, I believe I can do it better. Lap dances would be very cheap (like $2 per dance) and could get progressively sexy (but, not hard core pornographic). The lap dance videos would change every week (new costumes, new dances, etc.) to keep things new and fresh so the customers keep coming back. Making it interactive would be a challenge (because, it is not live), but, there could be a little interaction, like having options that trigger different video clips to make it seem interactive, for example, - press 1 to tell the dancer she is beautiful, press 2 to touch her bottom, press 3 to touch her boobs, etc. (in the VR headset you see a hand that appears to be your hand touching the dancer's body). Each option would trigger a different video with the dancer "responding" to the option selected.

    As ladies that are already in the adult entertainment industry, what do you think of this idea? Do you think it will be a success or a failure? Do you think dancers would be interested in signing up to do these videos? (I know that dancers generally do not like to be video recorded and this would be accessible world wide.) As far as compensation for the dancers, there could be one of two compensation structures - (1) small royalty payment every time a customer pays to watch their lap dance video (it would be a small amount per dance, about half a dollar, but, it could add up quickly depending on the traffic), or (2) a fixed payment per each hour of video. Which payment structure would be more attractive to dancers? If you would prefer a fixed payment, what would be your minimum asking price?

    Any other ideas or suggestions? I thought about adding some 'stripper drama' scenes in the club as entertainment, etc.
    Sounds Interesting

    Yeah I concur the $2 per dance seems a bit low since they are getting adult entertainment (even if it is virtual) it could be a bit higher price I think

    If I were a model I would take an upfront flat fee then a royalty each time it's viewed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonaDiabla View Post
    1.Hire some alternative,plus size, and more women of color besides Asian. Why? Because since this is VR, customers are more willing seek out these girls since they can't be judged like how they are at the regular strip clubs.
    Great idea. I LOVE Latina and Black girls, specially curvy ones! I also LOVE alternative girls, e.g., goth girls, emo girls, heavily tattooed girls, etc. The more variety, the better.

    The amazing thing about creating a PC virtual environment is that you are only limited by your imagination. We could create an entire city district with a dozen of SCs. Each club could cater to a different taste - different theme with different kinds of girls, music, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by DonaDiabla View Post
    2. Maybe get girls who are private dancers, cam models, and private performers.
    I like this idea! But, how do I got about it? Do I just bring it up to girls when I am at the club? What would be the best way to make my 'presentation' to them?

    Quote Originally Posted by DonaDiabla View Post
    3. Work with these girls as partners instead of employees.
    I like this idea very much. It would be great to have a business partner who is a dancer, cam girl, etc. (or former dancer, cam girl, etc.) Having a partner like that would be very valuable because of all the insight and business acumen she would bring to the table. The only issue is that a partner has to be willing to make sacrifices, i.e., invest money and/or time in a start-up to reap the rewards later, when the startup becomes successful. So, if I found a dancer, cam girl, etc., with the same vision as mine, who is willing to invest her time to reap rewards later, it would be worth sharing ownership of the company. However, if a cam-girl gets paid standard rates by the hour every time she records a video, and she does not take any risks, and makes no investment in the company (I do not consider getting paid standard rates for your work to be an investment), it is not fair to give her a slice of the ownership pie. It all comes down to whether a girl is willing to put some 'skin in the game' (like cutting her rate in half, deferring payment, etc. - in exchange for a partnership interest). I suspect most of the girls will want their full money up front.

    Another option is, if she buys her own VR equipment and sets up a studio (the VIP room) in her house or apartment, then, she has 'skin in the game' and deserves a partnership interest or we could set up franchises that way.

    Quote Originally Posted by DonaDiabla View Post
    4. Charge 5 dollars per dance.
    I think that is reasonable.

    Quote Originally Posted by DonaDiabla View Post
    5. Have an great marketing and advertising team.
    I agree, but, this costs a lot of money, so I have to start out with inexpensive creative marketing. I have some good ideas, but, I can't give them away in a public site like this.

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    Good luck
    Thanks! I appreciate your comments and ideas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    Sounds Interesting
    Thanks!

    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    If I were a model I would take an upfront flat fee then a royalty each time it's viewed.
    I like this idea. What kind of fee for about 3 hrs of recording per week? (About 8-10 lap dances, each one a little sexier than the last one.) What kind of royalty?
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