
Originally Posted by
jack0177057
I'm certainly not saying I condone the bad acts that have brought down so many high-profile 'alpha' men, but, it shocks me that people are shocked about this bahavior. We live in a culture that celebrates high-testosterone 'alpha' men - athletes, entertainers, politicians, high-powered CEOs, etc. The same testosterone that makes them aggressive in their professional fields also makes them aggressive in personal interactions. A man who is celebrated for being a tough negotiator that does not take 'no' for an answer in business, is probably also this way in his pursuit of women. I'm NOT talking about sexual assault; I'm talking about chasing women - he could view his aggressive chase as being 'persistent' and she could view it as sexual harassment.
Do we need to do more to protect women? - What are the feminist saying about this? Woman already have the powerful legal remedy of filing sexual harassment lawsuits, and this can be quite substantial (million dollar lawsuits), but, it seems women are afraid(?) to pursue a claim.
Or maybe, it is raw ambition that prevents them from asserting their rights. Can you have it both ways; can you say - I don't want to expose these douchebags now, because, they might be my ticket to climbing high up in the world of corporate America, media, entertainment, politics, etc.,... but, just you wait,... 20 or 30 years from now, I'm going to expose everything with a vengeance and destroy them!
I think a lot of women who go work for these aggressive 'alpha' men should have known what to expect and should have prepared themselves better. Like, if I go work for a diva (pop star, celebrity, etc.) and she treats me like shit, nobody is going to sympathize with me, because, everyone know that is to be expected from a diva. I made the choice to work for a diva, so I subjected myself to her abuse. If you work for a diva, you can expect to be treated like garbage now and again, and, you need to draw the line where you will say enough-is-enough, even if it means losing your job. I'm sure that the diva-types are also sexually aggressive, like your alpha-male bosses, but, no guy is going to come forward and admit that he was sexually harassed by a diva.
What is sexual harassment in this new world? Is bringing flowers to a girl in the office grounds for termination and a destroying someone's killer? What about this hypo: Guy brings a girl in the office flowers and she agrees to go out with him on one date. They have drinks at a bar and the dude says something a little sexual, like, he mentions that he has a water bed and mirrors on the ceiling over the bed. After the date, he asks her out on a second date several times, but, she keeps making excuses that she is busy. Finally, she gets tired of him asking her out and reports him to HR for sexually harassing her. She just wants them to tell him to stop approaching her, but, they overreact and fire him'for cause', which means he is not even entitled to collect unemployment. Harsh? Or, justly deserved?
What do you think?
1) Do women need more protection in the workplace? Like what?
2) Do women need to be stronger in the workplace and stand up for themselves?
3) What is the difference between expressing a romantic/sexual interest vs. sexual harassment? Should you ever express interest in someone you work with?
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