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    Christ sexual harassment in the clubs is pretty much endemic.

    Curiously enough, the very worst manager I ever saw as far as grabbing the girls was female. She'd just walk right up and pull the classic Trump 'grab them by the pussy' move, in front of the entire club. I saw this numerous times, usually she'd feel their breasts as well. She also liked to say 'If it's a girl it doesn't count.', meaning that it was entirely OK for her to bang any dancer she wanted, because she wasn't a man.

    But then every time she wound up fucking one of the dancers, there'd be drama and the dancer would leave, just as will happen so often in clubs with dickheads as managers.

    Anyway just throwing that out there.


    This thread has been reported, and I'm very close to closing it. But there's some great points being made, amongst the problem posts.

    Jack, I understand where you are coming from, but since this is a female industry forum, your thread was bound to get some bad reactions.

    Everyone try to be cool, or I will close the thread to avoid further drama.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScarletKitten View Post
    This is nothing new, Jack. Your posts here are not enlightening. I've heard all this garbage before.

    Yeah, women should stand up for themselves, HOWEVER- please consider the power play in sexual assault situations. People don't speak up because their career would be threatened, or like Miss.ap said above, shock is a very real thing that happens. Like a car crash. Sometimes you can't react immediately. I mean seriously, why do we need to explain this to you? Are you really that dense?

    Men get sexually assaulted and shocked and feel powerless as well. Did you hear what happened to Terry Crews? Big, tall, muscular guy felt completely powerless that he was sexually assaulted. Yeah, we should all stand up for ourselves and "be prepared for battle" yada yada.....in theory, sounds like the perfect plan.....until it actually happens to you and there are variables at play that make it difficult or impossible to fight back/ speak up....etc.

    Not to mention....that fighting off sexual assault constantly is fucking exhausting and sometimes you just want to stop fighting. But you could never understand that because you've never been a female or a stripper so.....

    kindly stfu.

    There is no need to blame any victims here. Just stop. Fucking stop and sit down.



    I'm actually a decent looking guy and when I was living in California around 2006 I had (and still do) men and women approach me and tell me that I'm handsome or good looking. Had talent scouts approach me in public to do extra work in Hollywood .... Whatever...

    Well I was friends with this one legit model and she told me to use her agent and I sat on that info for like a year and one day i said why not try for the heck of it.. I'm in L.A. right?

    Long story short, this well known agent I visited in W Los Angeles was a masculine gay man and he cleverly tried to set a situation up where I could possibly get work if I had sex with him on the spot. He was so slick about it where he was taking pictures of me and luring me from his office to his home all while telling me how he could help my career that I didn't even care about to begin with. Was just looking for side money as an extra and get the SAG card or whatever.

    Anyway, when I refused the same guy who paid for my meal and talked to me for hours at his private home turned ice cold and didn't say a word to me from his house to dropping me off at the bus stop because at the time I didn't have my own car. I'm convinced getting into Hollywood in a big way regardless if you're male or female you have to have sex with someone or they will blacklist you.

    For years I heard how sick people run Hollywood and I would often wonder why actors and actresses who seem to have it all are all bent out on drugs and alcohol and it's probably due to the things they had to do or things that happened to them along the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luckyguy09 View Post
    For years I heard how sick people run Hollywood and I would often wonder why actors and actresses who seem to have it all are all bent out on drugs and alcohol and it's probably due to the things they had to do or things that happened to them along the way.
    Read a book about JFK that was saying he regularly got new Hollywood starlets to bang him, or else their careers would never take off. I wasn't there, but not being a huge Kennedy fan & knowing his rep otherwise, I'm inclined to believe it.

    But that's far from the only reason for the substance abuse. Actors, artists, writers, etc. tend to have issues with that already, sad to say. Though an artistic type that's been sexually blackmailed would no doubt tend to be even worse!
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    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    You are not shocked because you relate to entitled males. You are not shocked because instead of expecting better behavior of males you are dismissive of this behavior and telling women we should just expect predatory behavior from all men.
    Knowing that we live in a fucked up culture that spoils rotten certain people (athletes, actors, singers, CEOs, etc.), hands them everything on a silver plate and, at best, gives them a little slap on the wrist when they misbehave,... and knowing that stupid people worship them, idolize them and kiss their ass,... and then act so damn surprised that these people are not Gods, but demons ---- having this knowledge that these spoiled rotten human beings have a sinister side to them - DOES NOT MAKE ME DISMISSIVE of their behavior. I know enough to stay away from egotistical narcissistic spoiled individuals, and if I MUST deal with people like that, I expect the worst from them.

    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    Yes having self-defense skills are beneficial but that is nothing for the predator with a gun/knife/etc who shoots/stabs/etc immobilized you in some manner before you can lay hands on him.
    The incidents we are talking about (recent headlines news about celebrities and politicians) do not involve weapons. If you want to talk about weapons, then, personally, I believe every woman should carry mace and a gun for their protection. I also believe women should train to use these weapons, because, without proper training, they could end up being used against you or you could hurt an innocent bystander. But, guns are another debate.

    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    This is one of the dumbest thing you have said all day. Tell that to the toddlers/toddlers parents when a rapists rapes them. Tell that to the parents of 6 year old in India gang raped who died of her injuries.
    It is only dumb, because, you are changing the conversation. Again, the incidents we are talking about (recent headlines news about celebrities and politicians) do not involve toddles. (Toddlers are defenseless? I had no idea!) In the case of children, parents, teachers, guardians are responsible for their protection. Moreover, if we learned anything at all from the Catholic Church scandals, it is that you can trust NO ONE with your kids, not even a priest. Parents need to continuously monitor their neighborhoods to see if there are any predators living nearby. They also need to ask a lot of questions about the teachers and school procedures, etc. They can never feel entirely 'safe' about leaving their kids with someone, even a relative. They must be ON GUARD at ALL TIMES. Parents have a HUGE responsibility as parents to protect their babies, and if they cannot be EXTREMELY VIGILANT ALL THE TIME in this regard, they should not have kids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luckyguy09 View Post
    Anyway, when I refused the same guy who paid for my meal and talked to me for hours at his private home turned ice cold and didn't say a word to me from his house to dropping me off at the bus stop because at the time I didn't have my own car. I'm convinced getting into Hollywood in a big way regardless if you're male or female you have to have sex with someone or they will blacklist you.
    I am not surprised at all by this, and, that does not mean that I am dismissive of it.

    There is another potential villain in all this and that is - the individuals who (voluntarily) use sex to get ahead. They encourage sexual predators and create the sense of entitlement. As an analogy, I've heard many dancers complain on this board that extras dancers cause a menace for non-extras dancers in the club. First of all, the non-extras dancers feel pressure to do things they are not comfortable with in order to compete, and second, the customers will start expecting all dancers to perform extras, and be very disappointed with clean ones.

    Ian McKellen, star of “Lord of the Rings” and “X-Men,” said that when he started his career in the early 1960s, some women applied for theater jobs with photographs marked with a special message to the directors, "DRR", which meant, directors’ rights respected, which meant that sex was part of the deal. If you are a clean attractive actress, how can you compete with an attractive actress that gives head? Should these women (or men) that offer up sex to get the job be prosecuted on prostitution charges? Or, is a woman (or man) free to do whatever she wants with her body, including offering it up in this manner, even though it gives her an unfair advantage and causes collateral damage to other women?

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0c65287ac068f
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    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post
    I am not surprised at all by this, and, that does not mean that I am dismissive of it.

    There is another potential villain in all this and that is - the individuals who (voluntarily) use sex to get ahead. They encourage sexual predators and create the sense of entitlement. As an analogy, I've heard many dancers complain on this board that extras dancers cause a menace for non-extras dancers in the club. First of all, the non-extras dancers feel pressure to do things they are not comfortable with in order to compete, and second, the customers will start expecting all dancers to perform extras, and be very disappointed with clean ones.

    Ian McKellen, star of “Lord of the Rings” and “X-Men,” said that when he started his career in the early 1960s, some women applied for theater jobs with photographs marked with a special message to the directors, "DRR", which meant, directors’ rights respected, which meant that sex was part of the deal. If you are a clean attractive actress, how can you compete with an attractive actress that gives head? Should these women (or men) that offer up sex to get the job be prosecuted on prostitution charges? Or, is a woman (or man) free to do whatever she wants with her body, including offering it up in this manner, even though it gives her an unfair advantage and causes collateral damage to other women?

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0c65287ac068f
    It does sound like you are being dismissive because rather than simply say something like "damn that's unreal some of these males are sexually aggressive and should learn some boundaries" you come up with every scenario - unrelated to the topic at hand - to make excuses for the predators.

    It seems You are looking for some sort of reassurance that males are wrongly accused or that males are protected from abuse or whatnot. That's understandable. It doesn't matter what gender, race, economic status, etc. sexual abuse/assault is never okay.

    However, there is a DISPROPORTIONATE rate of females, low economic status, and youth being assaulted sexually compared to adult males.

    Why is that Jack?

    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post
    Knowing that we live in a fucked up culture that spoils rotten certain people (athletes, actors, singers, CEOs, etc.), hands them everything on a silver plate and, at best, gives them a little slap on the wrist when they misbehave,... and knowing that stupid people worship them, idolize them and kiss their ass,... and then act so damn surprised that these people are not Gods, but demons ---- having this knowledge that these spoiled rotten human beings have a sinister side to them - DOES NOT MAKE ME DISMISSIVE of their behavior. I know enough to stay away from egotistical narcissistic spoiled individuals, and if I MUST deal with people like that, I expect the worst from them.
    I see what you are saying Jack. BUT I believe your viewpoint is also enabling.

    If I knew a dude was egotistical, narcissistic, spoiled. No I would not deal with a person like that. However narcissist - many of them are covert and highly manipulative - and you don't realize they are narcissists until AFTER they have gained your trust, you have married them, had a child with them, started a business with them, started working for them, etc.

    For me instead of expecting the worst from people (which is somewhat enabling imo), I'd expect consequences and law enforcement for criminals regardless of their financial/social status.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post
    Knowing that we live in a fucked up culture that spoils rotten certain people (athletes, actors, singers, CEOs, etc.), hands them everything on a silver plate and, at best, gives them a little slap on the wrist when they misbehave,... and knowing that stupid people worship them, idolize them and kiss their ass,... and then act so damn surprised that these people are not Gods, but demons ---- having this knowledge that these spoiled rotten human beings have a sinister side to them - DOES NOT MAKE ME DISMISSIVE of their behavior. I know enough to stay away from egotistical narcissistic spoiled individuals, and if I MUST deal with people like that, I expect the worst from them.
    Again, why are you demonizing a certain group of people, just because of their success? No, these people do not have everything handed to them on a silver plate. Do you have any idea of how hard some of the athletes and other successful people have worked to get to their level and stay there? Many of these people spend a significant amount of time and money helping other people who are less fortunate. Angelina Jolie probably spends as much time doing charitable work as she does acting.



    Here's George Clooney's response to be considered 'elite':
    https://www.salon.com/2017/09/26/geo...-donald-trump/
    Here’s the thing: I grew up in Kentucky. I sold insurance door-to-door. I sold ladies’ shoes. I worked at an all-night liquor store. I would buy suits that were too big and too long and cut the bottom of the pants off to make ties so I’d have a tie to go on job interviews. I grew up understanding what it was like to not have health insurance for eight years.
    This doesn't sound like he was handed everything on a silver plate.

    Just like any large group of people, you can find some who are assholes among many successful athletes, entertainers, and business-people. It doesn't mean they are all bad and it doesn't change the fact that there are plenty of regular people who sexually harass or sexually assault others.

    Telling women to stay away from these people will do nothing to solve their problems with sexual harassment because there are countless men who aren't successful athletes or movie stars, who still have little respect for women. There is no reason for women to avoid opportunities, just because they would be dealing with someone who is very successful in their field. If she does take an opportunity where she works with someone in the categories you described, it is the responsibility of that person to not sexually harass or assault her, not the responsibility of the female to avoid that person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post
    Knowing that we live in a fucked up culture that spoils rotten certain people (athletes, actors, singers, CEOs, etc.), hands them everything on a silver plate and, at best, gives them a little slap on the wrist when they misbehave,... and knowing that stupid people worship them, idolize them and kiss their ass,... and then act so damn surprised that these people are not Gods, but demons ---- having this knowledge that these spoiled rotten human beings have a sinister side to them - DOES NOT MAKE ME DISMISSIVE of their behavior. I know enough to stay away from egotistical narcissistic spoiled individuals, and if I MUST deal with people like that, I expect the worst from them.
    Jeez. No offense but you sound like those hysterical people I always see online who are obsessed with the idea that famous, successful people are all literally purely evil devil-worshippers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post
    I am not surprised at all by this, and, that does not mean that I am dismissive of it.

    There is another potential villain in all this and that is - the individuals who (voluntarily) use sex to get ahead. They encourage sexual predators and create the sense of entitlement. As an analogy, I've heard many dancers complain on this board that extras dancers cause a menace for non-extras dancers in the club. First of all, the non-extras dancers feel pressure to do things they are not comfortable with in order to compete, and second, the customers will start expecting all dancers to perform extras, and be very disappointed with clean ones.

    Ian McKellen, star of “Lord of the Rings” and “X-Men,” said that when he started his career in the early 1960s, some women applied for theater jobs with photographs marked with a special message to the directors, "DRR", which meant, directors’ rights respected, which meant that sex was part of the deal. If you are a clean attractive actress, how can you compete with an attractive actress that gives head? Should these women (or men) that offer up sex to get the job be prosecuted on prostitution charges? Or, is a woman (or man) free to do whatever she wants with her body, including offering it up in this manner, even though it gives her an unfair advantage and causes collateral damage to other women?

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0c65287ac068f
    As much as I like to come to SW to VENT about shitty customers...not all of mine EXPECT stuff, and I work in a extras club. I've had plenty of NICE & GENEROUS guys ASK what is ok and not, bc they don't want to cross my boundaries. Those are decent human beings, and don't use the strip club environment excuse to act like a piece of shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyanka View Post
    I was never attracted to the alpha types. I'm the alpha up in this bitch.
    Best reply in the thread.

    She takes the power for herself, and takes shit from no man.


    Anyway, more than enough said on the subject. It makes as much sense as a woman going to a male oriented forum and posting how guys just need to avoid manipulative women.
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