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    It's getting ridiculous now. One of these articles says 4 clubs shut down, but now it's more. 1-2 are reopening, but with draconian new rules--the pedestal dancing, etc.

    I remember about two years of very similar shit in Daytona, it was fucking ridiculous. Like Daytona, certain elements of the Nola city government are hell bent on turning a known hard partying city into a 'Family Vacation Destination' (not sure what the term they are using in Nola is, but it's basically identical, arbitrary, forced morality).

    https://injusticetoday.com/broken-co...e-aa62006df96b

    http://www.nola.com/politics/index.s...rip_clubs.html
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    I've been following on IG. They can't even touch THEIR OWN butts or boobs? I hate these puritanical state govts. Good news is that the protesting has been loud
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    Might the clubs have to move way outside of the city limits? This is what strip bars in California have to do...

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    I can’t see Nola ever rebranded as family friendly- people go there to party. They need to take care of real problems- like poverty and violence before worrying about “their image”. They are using the adult Industry as scapegoats instead of doing actual solving problems. The city has so much violence! I remember my friends tipped the cab drive $40 to make sure I made it in my room okay. maybe they should use resources to help the vulnerable people of New Orleans that need help (eye roll). I sure the citizens appreciate the resources being used to harass adults in socially sanctioned venues for adult entertainment (double eye roll) rather than deal with real crimes in the city.
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    I seen way more ass n tits on Burbon or wherever the street they get wild for Mardi Gras......And this is just.....it's injustice is what it is.

    Why should women be allowed to shake ass and get half ass naked for FREE (no scratch that .02 beads) but when it comes to women profiting in a safe environment then there is a 'problem'???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ifyouseekamy View Post
    I can’t see Nola ever rebranded as family friendly- people go there to party. They need to take care of real problems- like poverty and violence before worrying about “their image”. They are using the adult Industry as scapegoats instead of doing actual solving problems. The city has so much violence! I remember my friends tipped the cab drive $40 to make sure I made it in my room okay. I’m thinking maybe they should use resources to help the vulnerable people of New Orleans that need help (eye roll). I’m citizens appreciate the resources being used to harass adults in socially sanctioned venues for adult entertainment (double eye roll) rather than deal with real crimes in the cuty
    I guess the critics claim strip clubs equate to 'prostitution' and 'drugs' and maybe violence as we've seen those stories of idiots shooting up strip clubs.

    If this has some weight to it then that shit is the GREEDY owners who hire any and everyone. Strip clubs owners/managers need to be more discerning about how they run a legal business and who they hire/admit entrance to. Can't let every tom, dick, harry, and bubbles up in that mf

    And why is New Orleans on every cotdamn episode of First 48???

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    The dancers of Nola are not taking this shit without a fight:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.8a5133bf5017
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    Interesting excerpt from that article:

    "The closures and protests came after a year-long investigation by the Times-Picayune on NOLA.com that was published in October, following more than a dozen visits to 10 strip clubs where lewd acts similar to ATC reports published in 2015.

    The paper interviewed trafficking victims and dancers, trafficking experts, law enforcement and club officials and reviewed hundreds of records. They reported that Bourbon Street and its notorious party atmosphere feeds an ecosystem of pimps funneling prostitutes to nearby hotels, using strip clubs as recruiting grounds for women and hubs for johns on the lookout for sex.

    “While there has been no evidence that clubs knowingly employed dancers who were victims of human trafficking, victim advocates and law enforcement officers say the trafficking opportunity arises from a constant presence of pimps promoting prostitution on Bourbon Street, and in some cases demanding that women under their control use private rooms in clubs for sex,” the paper wrote.


    Advocates who follow the sex industry have pushed back against the report. Melissa Gira Grant, author of “Playing the Whore” and who has written about sex work as a freelance journalist, has said that the report and law enforcement both have blurred the distinction between forced prostitution, voluntary sex work and exotic dancing, challenging the assertion sex and human trafficking are a facet of strip clubs.

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    Also interesting:

    "Dancer Reese Piper said the closures, explained by authorities as a way to blunt illegal sex work, may have the unintentional consequence of forcing strippers into the trade after losing out on revenue."

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    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    I guess the critics claim strip clubs equate to 'prostitution' and 'drugs' and maybe violence as we've seen those stories of idiots shooting up strip clubs.

    If this has some weight to it then that shit is the GREEDY owners who hire any and everyone. Strip clubs owners/managers need to be more discerning about how they run a legal business and who they hire/admit entrance to. Can't let every tom, dick, harry, and bubbles up in that mf


    And why is New Orleans on every cotdamn episode of First 48???
    We all know drugs and sex are widely available not just at strip clubs. It’s the only legal argument they have other than to say “I don’t like when people get naked for money.” That wouldnt hold up in court. It’s using legal jargon to manipulate people into thinking they are spending their time and money on a worthy cause.

    Similar to Christain culture getting involved in the LBGT community, their only valid claim is “I think it’s gross and I don’t like it”. That’s a valid opinion, but the Christians try to claim “it causes harm to society” to legitimize it.

    It causes harm to the community is like the go to scapegoat power move for Christians

    It’s Iceland it’s legal to sell sex, but it’s illegal to buy it. I don’t think that’s right, but they should go after Pimps instead the dancers. We all know without any other way to make money the girls will turn to escorting- most likely in a less safe environment.

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    First of all, I'd have expected some of those clubs to have been closed down some time ago... by the Sanitation Department and OSHA Some of those joints were very literally falling apart.

    True, NOLA has far worse problems with REAL crime, real vice, real violence, real poverty in general. An effort to "clean up Bourbon" is just so much window dressing. Nobody's forced to go to Bourbon St., someone who does not like the vibe there can choose to head to Frenchmen's or Decatur or the Warehouse District or any of a bunch other locations. And the authorities even admitted they were unable to make any trafficking case, just standard drugs and prostitution. so it may even be a way of justifying the effort expended. Because if there's a problem with pimps...then goddamnit go after the pimps. The cops know who they are.

    At least I hope the ATC agents enjoyed all the Stevies and the "club handshakes" they described in their reports.

    (BTW, the truth is that technically, under Louisiana law, it is NOT ok to flash for beads. It is "tolerated" in the middle of the mass party scene in NOLA just because there are no resources to enforce it. Similarly, the contact and exposure rules under State law are far more restrictive than what was the standard practice. Just that for a while people were content to let NOLA be NOLA.)

    The clubs that apparently passed at the time were Penthouse Club, Gentleman's Quarters, Larry Flynt Hustler Club, Big Daddy's and Kama Sutra Cabaret. Two national corporate giants (anyone look up the campaign donation disclosures? ) and a couple of indies. And of course Big Daddy's survives, everyone knows nothing goes on in there except you get ripped off.

    The local Olano group (Temptations-Lipstixx-Stilettos-Scores) got decimated - it seems the first two properties did not have long to live anyway and this was the last nail. The bafflingly expensive NOLA Rick's and its downscale Sporting Saloon outpost also got cracked down upon. Settlements were reached and these four remaining places will reopen under one "probation". Dixie Div(e)as though seems to be finally done.

    IF and that's a huge IF, all that is happening is an example being made of some people who would not play ball with TPTB, it may end up heralding just a consolidation. However, we know for sure there must be quite a few interests who glance covetously upon Bourbon Street to turn it into a corporately controlled BourbonLand themed attraction, still dedicated to ripping off the Drinking Classes but under the guise of carefully focus-grouped "hip" bars and music venues. And who cares how the "Quarter Rats" are supposed to make a living, look at how many more lovely tax dollars and campaign contributions the new crew will bring in...

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    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    but when it comes to women profiting in a safe environment then there is a 'problem'???
    Right there, M'lady, is the problem. Right now did you know Repubs are turning back laws on things like abortion and enforcement of EEOC laws. It's a New Day, ladies. We will be partying like it's 1899 by the time they get done with us!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ifyouseekamy View Post
    It’s Iceland it’s legal to sell sex, but it’s illegal to buy it. I don’t think that’s right, but they should go after Pimps instead the dancers. We all know without any other way to make money the girls will turn to escorting- most likely in a less safe environment.
    Where in the world did you get that one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    Melissa Gira Grant, author of “Playing the Whore” and who has written about sex work as a freelance journalist, has said that the report and law enforcement both have blurred the distinction between forced prostitution, voluntary sex work and exotic dancing, challenging the assertion sex and human trafficking are a facet of strip clubs.
    Exactly. This is the problem with calling Stripping "Sex Work" and pretending there is no distinction. The cops could not make one single case of human trafficking. All those raids and no women having sex in the VIP yet for those looking to press their bs agenda, there is an insistence that there's gotta be prostitution.

    Best thing we can do as industry professionals--yeah, I said that-- is to be clear with ourselves and others about what is and isn't going on at work. We're sexy entertainers. Even in the raunchiest clubs they could not make a case for trafficking so......at some point we have to stop calling this Sex Work. Let's find another way to be supportive of those who actually have sex at work and stop playing like we're doing the same job or are even under the same umbrella.
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    I have a theory that the raids had more to do with money laundering & the "adult" aspect was secondary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ifyouseekamy View Post
    I can’t see Nola ever rebranded as family friendly- people go there to party. They need to take care of real problems- like poverty and violence before worrying about “their image”. They are using the adult Industry as scapegoats instead of doing actual solving problems. The city has so much violence! I remember my friends tipped the cab drive $40 to make sure I made it in my room okay. maybe they should use resources to help the vulnerable people of New Orleans that need help (eye roll). I sure the citizens appreciate the resources being used to harass adults in socially sanctioned venues for adult entertainment (double eye roll) rather than deal with real crimes in the city.
    NOLA will probably become like San Francisco, a tourist destination with all the seedy weird shit happening at private residences and at high dollar hotels. "Out of sight...out of mind."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist View Post
    Exactly. This is the problem with calling Stripping "Sex Work" and pretending there is no distinction. The cops could not make one single case of human trafficking. All those raids and no women having sex in the VIP yet for those looking to press their bs agenda, there is an insistence that there's gotta be prostitution.

    Best thing we can do as industry professionals--yeah, I said that-- is to be clear with ourselves and others about what is and isn't going on at work. We're sexy entertainers. Even in the raunchiest clubs they could not make a case for trafficking so......at some point we have to stop calling this Sex Work. Let's find another way to be supportive of those who actually have sex at work and stop playing like we're doing the same job or are even under the same umbrella.
    *disclaimer - I don't think there is anything wrong with those consenting adults who sell time (or more) for money -

    But anyhow, I do think in some peoples mind there is no distinction. You could literally be working in hooters and be called a pr*stitute.

    I Actually got in a debate with conservative family members who, upon mentioning local strip clubs, was like 'you know that's pr*stitution right?"

    I'm like .... wtf?

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    I’ve just used sex work as an inclusive term. I agree it’s very different from prostitution. I’m just a performer in the same way cam girls are performers. I still think I get the same amount of shame and blame as a sex worker. I have a lot of the issues with the police blaming me if I get a stalker, discrimination, and the fear of being outed.

    Yes, I agree they are different, but the stigma doesn’t really care what degree I use my sexuality to profit, so I’ve used the term sex worker to identify myself and probably will continue to do so. There’s research done on sex work than there is in on dancers, so I’m not sure exactly how to explain all the discrimination without it.

    Most often Hollywood paints us all the same-except Jennifer Aniston in we’re the millers. Compared to all the Hollywood movies about strippers I identify with her the Mostar far as personality and despite her being a good person, people treat her like a stripper.



    I'm like .... wtf?

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    Another group speaking up:

    http://titsandsass.com/activist-spot...n-new-orleans/


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    The dancers of Nola are not taking this shit without a fight:

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