New technology in cams... yay or nay?

[NatalieCentro]

Heya, everyone!

How do you feel about the latest advances in technology and their influence on camming? Excited? Upset?

I guess the ones I can think of would be
- Teledildonics (may the person who came up with the word burn in hell), but I'm talking about Levense, OhMiBod, Kiroo
- Virtual Reality and gear for it

Am I missing anything? Has AI attacked cams yet?

[KatyBoleyn]

AI is coming. Currently a Dutch company can simulcast 1000+ instances of an AI "doll" its been using to ferret out child molesters. The virtual child speaks and reacts to commands and questions, fooling the viewer long enough to trace the connection. Its only a matter of time before that tech becomes main stream. It will bite into the cammodel market hard, but it won't eliminate it.

Remote control vibrators increase income. For our program we're trying to work out how much we'll be subsidizing them for our own models next year. We've seen anywhere from a 10 to 80% increase in earnings when cammodels use them. I wouldn't have believed it until I saw the numbers myself, and thought they were gimmicky.

VR excites some people...but I'm not sure it will be a standard. It makes me nauseous and I just don't like the feeling of being totally disconnected from the world. Then again, we don't even use smartphones in our household. VR games haven't quite found their footing on Steam yet, but everyone is trying. The interfaces and game play are slowly getting better. While this may (and somewhat has) become a thing in porn, the cost for a VR recording/broadcasting rig would need to come down substantially for regular cammodels to make use of them.

[BlueBunny]

Disclaimer: I get no pleasure whatsoever from vibrators. Part one of this technology is obviously popular as decided by the buying market (men) because OMB and the sort are everywhere now, including on private based sites like Streamate. I am personally very sadden by this trend because it likely skews male perception even more out there as to what a sexual encounter should be like. It's instant gratification as many other aspects of our society, and that is not a positive thing long term. I know porn is entertainment, but (personal experience bias here) I've also been married to a porn addict, and let me tell you, it is not fun to be a human feeling like a sex doll in someone else's pleasure experience. These "lost" men are real and out there. They have no idea that good sex is more than just a hard penis going in and out of someone. I wish all this tech would just die and people connected more with their minds before engaging in mutual masturbation. That sort of "fake"/perceived intimacy would likely lead to a lot more pleasure for the client than the current "vending machine" model (insert token, female convulses in waves of pleasure). Anybody can masturbate and orgasm. Humans have intrinsic needs that go beyond an orgasm, and I really don't think any technology will be able to satisfy that need (maybe advanced AI sex robots one day, but seriously, the human species is doomed if men decide to love robots instead of their kind). Pleasure is processed in the brain and has both physical and psychological components. I don't think any technology can surpass the pleasure humans can feel from perceived intimacy with another, because intimacy is a psychological component, not a physical one, and technology so far can only influence our senses, not our thoughts. Conclusion: Some of this tech is good for money now, sucky for the future of real relationships between sexes. We keep developing tech because people's emotional needs aren't being met. Ironic vicious circle?

[hyori]

I just want to rent out my hologram or control a male masturbation machine remotely for bdsm sessions to torture subs.

[Sam38g]

I put in for that 3dVR teldon webcam several months ago, guess they aren't done with it yet. It should be fun. I bought 3 3dvr domains.

360 doesnt work for webcamming

But 3dVR of my bouncing boob videos & web cam sessions have me excited.

Cam4 is supposed to have VR but other than their spokes person who uses it on there?

[Sam38g]

Computer or sex drone dolls dont need them. Already there are girls who sit there with a blank bored look in their eyes, answering every question like a robot with zero emotions.

Now there are hackers who have programs & plenty of recording of a cam girl to pretend to be her.

Robots can't do sales. It's going to be like a automated phone system
"If you'd like it in English stay on the line, if you want Spanish please press 8"
"Press 1 for tits"
"Press 2 for ass"
"Please hold while we get you a live operator to assist you".

BEEEEEEEEEEPPP!
"If you speak English just stay on the line, if you speak Spanish please press 8".

Maybe one of one, but it is a whole different skill set to handle 20 then 300 to even 5000 men in free chat. Last week on CB I had 2500 guys in my room, that scrolling screen of chat moves pretty fast. How is the AI or Robot going to be able to answer all the questions, keep it entertaining & get sales? All that while juggling tits to tips.

[JessRyan]

I'm getting tired of my lovense toy (lush) From the moment I opened the box, it randomly shuts off..I have to pull it out and turn the fuckin' thing back on. It distracts from my room all the time. updated my laptop and can't get by the 'set up" where I have the scan the code...to where???? it says to my account on my app...but there's no account in my app? jesus H
just not worth the trouble anymore.
VR? I'm not sure. Not everyone can afford $$ stuff.

[NatalieCentro]

Thanks to everyone who pitched in, very good insight!

Whatever happened to the boom of camming over cell phones? Last I remember someone got bitten by a shark (publicity stunt was what everyone seemed to think this was about, although I have no opinion) and then it kind of just died? Or did I miss something?

[NatalieCentro]

Disclaimer: I get no pleasure whatsoever from vibrators. Part one of this technology is obviously popular as decided by the buying market (men) because OMB and the sort are everywhere now, including on private based sites like Streamate. I am personally very sadden by this trend because it likely skews male perception even more out there as to what a sexual encounter should be like. It's instant gratification as many other aspects of our society, and that is not a positive thing long term. I know porn is entertainment, but (personal experience bias here) I've also been married to a porn addict, and let me tell you, it is not fun to be a human feeling like a sex doll in someone else's pleasure experience. These "lost" men are real and out there. They have no idea that good sex is more than just a hard penis going in and out of someone. I wish all this tech would just die and people connected more with their minds before engaging in mutual masturbation. That sort of "fake"/perceived intimacy would likely lead to a lot more pleasure for the client than the current "vending machine" model (insert token, female convulses in waves of pleasure). Anybody can masturbate and orgasm. Humans have intrinsic needs that go beyond an orgasm, and I really don't think any technology will be able to satisfy that need (maybe advanced AI sex robots one day, but seriously, the human species is doomed if men decide to love robots instead of their kind). Pleasure is processed in the brain and has both physical and psychological components. I don't think any technology can surpass the pleasure humans can feel from perceived intimacy with another, because intimacy is a psychological component, not a physical one, and technology so far can only influence our senses, not our thoughts. Conclusion: Some of this tech is good for money now, sucky for the future of real relationships between sexes. We keep developing tech because people's emotional needs aren't being met. Ironic vicious circle?

I really want to separately thumbsup to this topic... relationships got pretty screwed up by the crappy sex people see in porn. It's not even limited to men - lots of young women think that's the point and don't know any different... and it's sad.

[DancesWithSloths]

How about offering an opinion yourself, Natalie? Otherwise it looks like your organisation is trying to get free data, instead of paying to hold a focus group.

[NatalieCentro]

Thank you Dances.

No data digging other than my trying to catch up on what I missed out on, I guess... sorry if it sounded that way. I didn't seek any profit in starting this thread. I fell out of the loop for a while - maternity leave and futher taking up the hosting job. Cool as it may be, I miss you people and thought I'd pop in and catch up and get a feel for what's going on.

Here're my thoughts on tech in adult in general and cams in particular:

Prologue
I'm a big party pooper when it comes to new technology and its implementation. I won't believe it till I see it happen. I, like KatyBoleyn, get nauseous when I try to watch VR. First-person shooters give me virtigos after 10 minutes, which I blame on astigmatism, and I never watch periscopes or live things on FB because even if they don't give me a headache from the shaking I very rarely find them interesting. I even think video guides require too much attention - I'd rather read text if I have the option. All this is just background info so you know what kind of person's opinion this is.

1) I think VR may not be such a great deal as people say in cams - as someone said who wants to see the back of a cam room? 180 VR even isn't such a great big deal as agian - when the shots are set up right you want the focus to be on the entertainer - not on the corner with unrelated furniture.

2) I do, however, think that 3D technology is here to stay and that sooner or later 3D cams will slowly but surely take over, like they did in most movies and in a ton of other places. Phones with 3D cameras, TVs that broadcast it etc. - the signs are there even for a non-believer like myself. It'll take as long as it takes to make the hardware more affordable and easy to get.

3) I met guys from Kiroo when there were just getting off the ground and to be honest have very little faith in teledildonics. The chance of having person A with conrol device/app B and model C with toy/device D all in one place, especially at the time when this was all so new, simply sounded way too unlikely to me. But they and their competitors did well in marketing and it now is a part of most cam platforms. While some models decide against using remote-operated sex toys, seems like they're here to stay and will continue to improve their technology and therefore market share. So there I was wrong since the numbers are all here to prove it to me - it does increase profit and it is commonly used today.

4) AI in porn scares me on general premises. First off, because (gah, confessions here) - if I watch erotic content, I'll do it not to see the hot performer. What turns me on is emphathy with the female performer: feeling what she's feeling. I really don't care what they look like - sorry for being frank. Why it's so hard to find content that's worth the time... if it's fake it'll take me seconds to tell and nothing will come of it... excuse the pun. I believe AI may kill off the remains of stuff that was still tolerably watchable. Second, it scares me because it will even further distance poeple from realizing that intimacy is what matters in sex - what I thumbed-up above - there really aren't enough men these days who understand and value true sex. In cams, I don't think AI will take over, but it'll knock off a chunk if it gets launched large-scale enough and that worries me.

5) Camming via phones sounded like fun when it first came out but again it takes away from the 1-on-1 experience in a way that I can't even call that sort of connection "camming". It's more of periscope/snapchat type interaction that also sells which is cool but again has only supplemental or limited influence on what cams are about.

6) What I think is an important focus for technical advances is quality of the stream, reducing lags and issues and just general maintenance to make the process smoother and more enjoyable for everyone involved. However, you can't make headlines with stuff like "our cams run smoothly" and so not enough companies are plunging their R&D budgets on just that, sadly.

Epilogue
I know technology keeps going and snowballing towards what seems from afar as a bright future (or the light at the end of the tunnel, depeding on whether one thinks the glass is half-full, half-empty or not there at all). All in all, it's interesting to see new startups, new projects and new endeavors spring up. Means the world keeps going.

P.S. None of my ideas here are truths - only opinions. I could be and most probably am wrong on some of these or all of them.

[KatyBoleyn]

I just had a random thought on the "teledildonics" thing. I don't think its about sex or sexuality at all. I'm of the honest opinion that if it were tiny electroshocks instead of vibrations, customers would tip the same or more just to zap you. They just want to feel like they're effecting someone else in a tangible way, and more than a good portion like the sadism element.

[PhatGirlDynomite!!!]

I just had a random thought on the "teledildonics" thing. I don't think its about sex or sexuality at all. I'm of the honest opinion that if it were tiny electroshocks instead of vibrations, customers would tip the same or more just to zap you. They just want to feel like they're effecting someone else in a tangible way, and more than a good portion like the sadism element.

Wait do they have that now? Interactive zappers?

[DonaDiabla]

Personally, I am truly happy about the A.I and camming by phone developments. I will never use any remote control toys nor VR webcams as cam model. So, I think they are pretty neat but I could really care less about using either VR or remote control toys. AI in the adult industry is perfect for someone like me. I already cater to doll and robot fetish guys. Including sexy AI models into my work would be great offering that I will charge a lot for. Of course, I will charge a lot more for them to appear on cam by themselves as well.Guys already jack off to my avatars already.....adding Artificial intelligence is not much of stretch. However, AI models might just appear to both doll and fembot niches. Camming by phones will be pretty fun because I could be more mobile with my customers.But, I am not worried about the effects on traditional camming. All of these things will
only appeal to niche markets.

[NatalieCentro]

Personally, I am truly happy about the A.I and camming by phone developments. I will never use any remote control toys nor VR webcams as cam model. So, I think they are pretty neat but I could really care less about using either VR or remote control toys. AI in the adult industry is perfect for someone like me. I already cater to doll and robot fetish guys. Including sexy AI models into my work would be great offering that I will charge a lot for. Of course, I will charge a lot more for them to appear on cam by themselves as well.Guys already jack off to my avatars already.....adding Artificial intelligence is not much of stretch. However, AI models might just appear to both doll and fembot niches. Camming by phones will be pretty fun because I could be more mobile with my customers.But, I am not worried about the effects on traditional camming. All of these things will
only appeal to niche markets.

Now that's a take I didn't even condider for AI... intersting!

Also, holograms seem like a good futuresque development. Don't know how far these are form making it into cams but this looks like it will deliver a whole new experience.

[Sam38g]

Well, only if we can be paid to zap them as a fem dom kind of thing

I liked the Kirro Idea but it has been proven their software was NOT safe & easily hacked. So both customers & ladies who used identities and such are at risk.
They would encode videos i made while using it so that the guys could watch & feel it on their device, but how does that work when the toy is not connected to the camera and how is what I do data put in. They only would allow the videos to be sold on their site. I could not have that tech on other sites.

I cant remember exactly, but was not to happy with that contact & who owned the content. The percentage they gave to the performer was great, but you didn't get any money for selling the male part of the device to your customers.

Only place I could use it on a cam site was F4F signed up to it, cammed a few times. The percentage isn't great & could never figure out how to use the Pearl & F4F at the same time.


Love the concept, the implementation not so much.

For the most part, sex toys with apps to be loaded onto your phone want access to way to much data on it. Seems way to many stories of them easily being hacked, don't mean to make allegations but that just seems a bit too convenient. Especially when they want access 24/7 to your audio. Why do they need to listen to me 24/7.. same shit with Facebook. I consider Facebook to be evil.

Over being datamined by all these different companies porn or not.