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    Title says it all. I am not gonna ask where these clubs are just wondering if they even exist. Seems like everywhere around where I live and 100s of miles in various directions has gone quite far downhill. Makes a newbie wanna get out of the industry really and this is very demotivating. I "do well" comparatively everywhere I go, but this just isn't meeting the amounts I want to make.

    Is everywhere on a downhill trend in this industry? Are there any places on an uphill trend? I am wondering if I should get out before I "get stuck" doing this shit.

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    The industry has been in decline for a long time and anybody who says it isn't is either stupid or in denial with delusional positivity. Usually it's the latter but the former seems to be infiltrating our ranks and hastening the demise of our already fragile ecosystem.
    That being said, we're not dead YET. There's still money to be made but you have to adapt or die. That's the way it is. Don't be in such a hurry to exit the boat. Travel dance, explore your options and have a backup plan.
    Me personally I think we're getting nuked in the War of the Bad Haircuts so it doesn't matter.
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    ^ War of bad haircuts lol!!!!!


    I've noticed a trend of strip clubs in rural America being re-modeled & re-vamped BUT the returns are lesser than past decades. I don't have time for wacky stories but suffice to say,.......


    ......If you're willing to treat stripping as an occupation and focus on profits, you can still do well.

    The top strip clubs I know of on the East Coast still are making crazy mad money BUT they are strict with hiring standards and a lot of the $$$$$ profit margin comes from high end liquor sales, not really the dancers or the club itself.

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    I didn't start early enough (began in 2011) to really a fully informed statement but I'm sure since the recession that yea it's gotten worse, just like every other industry.
    There's still money to be made of course, there always will be in the sex industry. But it's not just waltzing in and expecting to sip champagne and giggle in VIP all night without hustling or thinking outside the box. (Not saying that's what you're doing,but the majority of newbies bail when they realize it's hard work emotionally physically and mentally, it's not twirling around a pole and walking out with thousands every night. No such thing as a free lunch). You need to have an edge on your competition, know how to get in these guys heads, and provide an experience. It's not easy money.
    The clubs that attract big spenders are particular with hiring, and for good reason. I've found the big money is in cultivating regulars/whales and exploring other venues in the sex industry
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    Let's put it this way...in 2006, girls would bitch if they "only" made 400 a night. I was clearing between 800-1000 regularly then. Now, you're lucky to leave with 300.

    It may be because I'm older and burned out. I don't look old (ppl still guess me for way younger) but like I said, I'm tired.

    Clubs are dead now, compared to what they used to be. Money was more consistent. My regulars from 13 years ago are still coming to see me, and thank God because they're your bread and butter. Not a high turnover of customers like there used to be. I'm about to change careers bc the club scene is going downhill. Yes, there is still money to be made, but I really don't feel like competing with girls who make out/date/fuck customers as a way of gaining competitive edge. That isn't what dancers, strictly dancers, do.
    Wish I had a more upbeat answer for you. It's an industry-wide thing I guess.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LoveyDovey View Post
    Let's put it this way...in 2006, girls would bitch if they "only" made 400 a night. I was clearing between 800-1000 regularly then. Now, you're lucky to leave with 300.

    It may be because I'm older and burned out. I don't look old (ppl still guess me for way younger) but like I said, I'm tired.

    Clubs are dead now, compared to what they used to be. Money was more consistent. My regulars from 13 years ago are still coming to see me, and thank God because they're your bread and butter. Not a high turnover of customers like there used to be. I'm about to change careers bc the club scene is going downhill. Yes, there is still money to be made, but I really don't feel like competing with girls who make out/date/fuck customers as a way of gaining competitive edge. That isn't what dancers, strictly dancers, do.
    Wish I had a more upbeat answer for you. It's an industry-wide thing I guess.
    I've noticed the Average Strip Club Customer is more demanding. & The stalker problems I've faced in the past 8 years have gotten far more disturbing due to social media + Google......Like, the strip club seems to be a social war zone. Years ago when I was a newbie baby dancer, the strip bar was a giant joke that you hid from your parents.

    Honestly being a stripper was the smartest move I ever made in my life. However today it's more hazardous than it was in the heyday of stripclubs (1970s-90s.)

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    Whats the range that you want to realistically make? Each dancer is also very different. I worked with girls who would bitch about only making 500 a shift, they weren't happy until they were closer to a grand. They always had that expectation and goal. They weren't afraid to start high (bring up VIP first and work your way down) and ask for tips/more. they were relentless hustlers, I never saw them sitting in the back, chilling out drinking with customers, or continuously out on a smoke break. Whereas I was more than satisfied with 500 a shift, and didn't have the balls and outgoing personalities they did. Other girls wouldn't even clear 200.


    Honestly the girls who sit and whine in the dressing room clear the floor for the rest of us to clean up
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    Long-time lurker here.

    I work at a well-known club in Miami for over 5-6 years but been dancing longer. I've notice every year, it's getting harder. It's seem like more and more customers/men aren't incline to spend at the strip club other then a cheap ass beer and just there "hanging out." A lot of the girls said that it's the Cuban girls, which flooded the club scene here, that is hurting the business by sucking and fucking customers in the champagne room. But to me, I think it's a generational thing.

    The Internet change the game.

    Free porn sites. Dating/hook-up apps. Social media. Men today have more options than before and as well spending less to no money to see a girl naked. I've hearing from younger guys how spending money at a strip club is just "stupid and lame" and "let just go there, have a drink and look at pussy for free," Aghhhh. Gets me annoyed when I hear it, especially in the club. The worst part is that the older white male are being phrased out as I've been seeing them less and less in the club and more of the "ghetto" crowd coming in. With the new "generation" of customers coming in to fill-in, the dancers of the future are going to have a hard time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tempest666 View Post
    The industry has been in decline for a long time and anybody who says it isn't is either stupid or in denial with delusional positivity. Usually it's the latter but the former seems to be infiltrating our ranks and hastening the demise of our already fragile ecosystem.
    That being said, we're not dead YET. There's still money to be made but you have to adapt or die. That's the way it is. Don't be in such a hurry to exit the boat. Travel dance, explore your options and have a backup plan.
    Me personally I think we're getting nuked in the War of the Bad Haircuts so it doesn't matter.
    I am not ready to quit just yet, and yes I will travel some more before I hang up the heels. I am just not too crazy about stripping right now. I am learning and seeing all kinds of shit traveling. A lot of it is rather discouraging. I am about to drive somewhere a tad far tomorrow that I already booked a place at and I'm on all types of antibiotics and rather sick. But on the bright side I'll have fun shit to do there lol Might as well as I don't know how long this illness will have me out of commission.

    Quote Originally Posted by anastasia_ View Post
    Long-time lurker here.

    I work at a well-known club in Miami for over 5-6 years but been dancing longer. I've notice every year, it's getting harder. It's seem like more and more customers/men aren't incline to spend at the strip club other then a cheap ass beer and just there "hanging out." A lot of the girls said that it's the Cuban girls, which flooded the club scene here, that is hurting the business by sucking and fucking customers in the champagne room. But to me, I think it's a generational thing.

    The Internet change the game.

    Free porn sites. Dating/hook-up apps. Social media. Men today have more options than before and as well spending less to no money to see a girl naked. I've hearing from younger guys how spending money at a strip club is just "stupid and lame" and "let just go there, have a drink and look at pussy for free," Aghhhh. Gets me annoyed when I hear it, especially in the club. The worst part is that the older white male are being phrased out as I've been seeing them less and less in the club and more of the "ghetto" crowd coming in. With the new "generation" of customers coming in to fill-in, the dancers of the future are going to have a hard time.
    I really love your post. It echoes what other girls who have been in this industry are telling me, and even some of the customers are saying this also, so I believe this must be the truth. I just love how you worded it.

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    Default Re: Are there clubs that haven't gone downhill?

    I haven’t worked long enough to comment on changes in the industry but I notice girls saying this kind of thing in clubs where it’s still possible to make a grand a night.

    Maybe it’s not as easy as it once was but it’s still very much a possibility. Around here (greater Toronto area) the smaller city/town clubs have down hill or have switched to extras only but in the city girls can still bank.

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    Default Re: Are there clubs that haven't gone downhill?

    all the clubs in my area have def gone downhill but you can still make money. day shift is basically over which is sad cos I loved working days

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    Quote Originally Posted by anastasia_ View Post

    . The worst part is that the older white male are being phrased out as I've been seeing them less and less in the club and more of the "ghetto" crowd coming in. With the new "generation" of customers coming in to fill-in, the dancers of the future are going to have a hard time.
    YES! Less older men are coming to the clubs now. If the club is filled with young ghetto guys , older men with money feel intimidated to come in. I wonder if older men are content with just watching online porn, since their generation had to pay for it...maybe they appreciate it more...
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    Default Re: Are there clubs that haven't gone downhill?

    I think one issue that has yet to be be addressed is societies changing attitudes about sex and stripping. There is far less stigma against stripping than there was 10-20 years ago. That in itself is amazing but it also means there are more girls willing to give stripping a try. And those who do have more liberal views about sex. It is not just Cuban girls who are willing to do more for less money.

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    There is less stigma? I dunno, I've experienced plenty of stigma.

    I think maybe there is less stigma of women giving it away for free, whether it be full-service or just for lookie-loo. But when you turn around and put your hand out, then we have a problem. Too many entitled men who want it and don't want to pay, even if just to look. We've got hip-hop artists dressing up as strippers and making it look cool. We've got waitresses doing the same to draw in business and making it stay-all for below-minimum wage plus tips.

    With that, stripping is no longer risque. What's the use of a strip club but to go in and make fun of the strippers trying to make money off of what other women are giving away for free?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasmine22 View Post
    YES! Less older men are coming to the clubs now. If the club is filled with young ghetto guys , older men with money feel intimidated to come in. I wonder if older men are content with just watching online porn, since their generation had to pay for it...maybe they appreciate it more...
    I think of it as the current issue with Harley-Davidson Motorcycles is facing, and as well, with other current trends.

    See, their core consumers, who are tend to be older white males, are getting older and are ready or now retired - so now, they're penny-pinching. And the next generation of consumers to replace them aren't inclined with their overpriced motorcycles.

    That's how I see with strip clubs. The older generation of consumers, Gen-X, who are replacing the older-older generation aren't willing to buy for dances and rooms. As well, with young males of today that have more options than before. The chubby/creepy guy who doesn't get female attention of the past, is now getting free porn and getting dates here-and-there and as well other cheap options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeroSugarMonster View Post
    There is less stigma? I dunno, I've experienced plenty of stigma.
    I am not saying at all that the stigma is gone or things are good or fair. But if you wanted today to quit stripping and run for mayor or congress it would be totally possible to do that and be open about the fact that you used to strip. Yes it would make things tough and some people would judge. But 20+ years ago being open about your ex-stripper life was a like wearing a scarlett letter.

    Quote Originally Posted by anastasia_ View Post
    That's how I see with strip clubs. The older generation of consumers, Gen-X, who are replacing the older-older generation aren't willing to buy for dances and rooms. As well, with young males of today that have more options than before. The chubby/creepy guy who doesn't get female attention of the past, is now getting free porn and getting dates here-and-there and as well other cheap options.
    Totally agree. I think the younger guys who are actually willing to spend to spend are going to go to places like seeking arrangement. I think part of it too is the clubs fault.

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    it's way less stigmatized and it's mainly because of the media. with the growing glamorization and fascination with sex work, every desperate girl is considering it. esp with how hard it is to pay for school now and get a job right after you graduate. and with all this shit making it seem like you can be a sugar baby without fucking old men, be average looking with no experience and get paid thousands to escort right off the bat, or be a stripper without grinding on grandpa boners.. a lot more girls are going out there and trying it. they think they're gonna just look pretty and dance while money falls from the sky cuz they're a "boss bitch" like the girls on IG.

    but most of these girls fail when they realize it's hard and not that glamorous. so the ones who DON'T give up frequently end up having to turn to giving cheap extras/OTC to get by. which means there's a lot more girls doing a lot more for less.

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    For those who remember Melonie, she had a theory that the bottom tier dive clubs and the upper tier gentleman's clubs would survive, while the mid-tier clubs would go belly up. I believe that, though I'm not sure where that leaves earning potential for the girls.

    There are 3 clubs in my city where one can make good money ($300 - $1200) a night without having to do some form of extras - it largely comes down to how management runs them & treats customers. The guys are comfortable coming and don't feel skeezy or ripped off.

    There's a 4th that's busy most of the time but the earning ceiling is much lower (dive bar where $10 dances are basically it, nobody goes to the $20 area). Again though, it's busy cause management and support staff are great to the customers.

    The other 10-15 clubs? Nada. The ones that have business, to make that kinda cash you have to at least be grabbing dick if not more. They're now relying on gimmicks with food and $2 drinks to bring customers in - and what kind of customers are you going to get by *giving away* steak and lobster?
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    Agree with all of this. I work with a woman that has been dancing since the 90s. She always tells this story how she got pulled over one night on her way home from work and was in tears. The cop asked why and she explained she was upset because she only made $200! ...Which was basically unheard of. She blames free porn and girls getting their tits out at the bar for free... lol

    I've only been doing this for going on 9 years and in that time frame it has definitelyyyy gone downhill. As much as I hate the idea of an office job I am also glad my second degree gives me the option to not have to deal with club bullshit all the time or at all if I really decide I am done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selina M View Post
    For those who remember Melonie, she had a theory that the bottom tier dive clubs and the upper tier gentleman's clubs would survive, while the mid-tier clubs would go belly up. I believe that, though I'm not sure where that leaves earning potential for the girls.
    She was right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by random stripper View Post
    Title says it all. I am not gonna ask where these clubs are just wondering if they even exist. Seems like everywhere around where I live and 100s of miles in various directions has gone quite far downhill. Makes a newbie wanna get out of the industry really and this is very demotivating. I "do well" comparatively everywhere I go, but this just isn't meeting the amounts I want to make.

    Is everywhere on a downhill trend in this industry? Are there any places on an uphill trend? I am wondering if I should get out before I "get stuck" doing this shit.

    The clubs seem to get worse by the year. I can't see them turning around. And I've been in the biz long enough to feel confident in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Layla.00 View Post
    I haven’t worked long enough to comment on changes in the industry but I notice girls saying this kind of thing in clubs where it’s still possible to make a grand a night.

    Maybe it’s not as easy as it once was but it’s still very much a possibility. Around here (greater Toronto area) the smaller city/town clubs have down hill or have switched to extras only but in the city girls can still bank.
    It does sound as though Canada is doing better than the USA.
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    ^^layla works in the best club in Canada. Things aren't easy here and are also going downhill. Many places are seasonal. Many clubs are bullshit. But generally we have lower tip out, or no cut of our dance money going to the house. That makes it easier to make your goals.

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    Too many desperate chics flocking into this business with a rose colored vision, thinking money is gonna fall easily on their laps. Then you have guys like Rick Dugan preying on desperate dancers too.

    Ladies, don't let these men sense your desperation. It's food for a hungry lion. Male predators are every where.


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    ^^^^Agreed!
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