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    Default EBHTA: End Banking for Human Traffickers Act H.R.2219

    https://www.ynot.com/another-traffic...to-the-senate/



    “There is a concern that banks will substantially increase their anti-money laundering compliance policies relating to anything having to do with sex work, since trafficking has been conflated with sex work to a significant degree in recent political and legislative discussions,” attorney Larry Walters told YNOT. “This could result in decreased access to banking services by not only sex workers, but adult website operators as well. Banks tend to be conservative, and avoid risk at all cost.”

    if youre not keeping a reserve, start now if you can.
    We dont know what is about to go down.

    *feel free to move this post to the appropriate section

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    I thought this was gonna be about food stamps. Let me read the article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhatGirlDynomite!!! View Post
    I thought this was gonna be about food stamps. Let me read the article.
    lmfaoooooooooooooooooooooo im dead.
    nah girl, its another bill
    fuckery

    Banks are already telling me I cant deposit cash money into accounts without the account owner there to sign for the deposit. I deposit to my mom all the time.

    This is a new policy enforced by wells fargo

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    Okay Ive read about this on End Banking For Human Trafficking Act. So many annoroynms right now that my head is swimming. This is like Operation Choke Point Part 2. Crazy times! This guy Connor Habib broke it down on Twitter this week https://twitter.com/ConnerHabib/stat...827886080?s=19

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erika_Xstacy View Post
    lmfaoooooooooooooooooooooo im dead.
    nah girl, its another bill
    fuckery

    Banks are already telling me I cant deposit cash money into accounts without the account owner there to sign for the deposit. I deposit to my mom all the time.

    This is a new policy enforced by wells fargo
    In the last month Ive created new accounts in various places. Added more backup processors. Backups for my backups. Whats going on right now reminds me of someways the housing crisis/recession around 2008? I hadnt been in the business very long. Lots of chaos and hysteria. I'm having to remind myself of the little hustle tricks I used back then. Dont get too comfortable.

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    Jesus this bill is scary. Last season I was really into Handmaid's Tale for fun and then I was watching new episodes the other night thinking, "This might all actually happen."

    It starts with sex workers and then it just keeps snowballing. Slippery slope.







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    So sad to see this. Is the answer to this going to be our sites issuing payouts by sending us envelopes of cash in the mail, and thus we all place our savings in a big box under a tree in our backyards? Alrighty, year 2018 going on 1790. I wonder if they would shut down a joint checking accounts if the SO had a vanilla job. I wouldn't know what other route to take. Maybe switching to a local FCU instead of BOA or Wells Fargo?
    Add a signature? *gets anxiety* *panics* omg uhhhh..

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    it's obvious from their definition of trafficking they're not willing to draw ANY distinction whatever between sex trafficking and sex work

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhatGirlDynomite!!! View Post
    In the last month Ive created new accounts in various places. Added more backup processors. Backups for my backups. Whats going on right now reminds me of someways the housing crisis/recession around 2008? I hadnt been in the business very long. Lots of chaos and hysteria. I'm having to remind myself of the little hustle tricks I used back then. Dont get too comfortable.
    Are you just creating other camming/content accounts or other options for payment? I'd be curious to know what other payment options there would be for Americans right now besides check or some sort of deposit into a bank account.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BerrySweet View Post
    Alrighty, year 2018 going on 1790.
    i was gonna say, this is some seriously vintage paternalism

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    Quote Originally Posted by naomi_doll View Post
    Are you just creating other camming/content accounts or other options for payment? I'd be curious to know what other payment options there would be for Americans right now besides check or some sort of deposit into a bank account.
    Ive created new bank accounts. Online and a credit union for direct deposits so I dont receive my adult money with mainstream. I also split up my adult stuff too. I personally have never had a bank shut me down or hold my money, but I'm not willing to take that chance.

    And Im also doing research on payment processors too. I do alot of indy stuff and I dont want to get too comfortable with just two options. I want 3 or 4. I'm not trying to ring the alarm. But we should all be prepared. In many ways times like these can be used as an opportunity to get ahead if you plan accordingly.

    Thanks Erika for bringing this up.

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    I figured this thread should be bumped seeing as from the title it doesn't portray the seriousness of it's content so I imagine it gets overlooked. I feel personally attacked by the US government at the moment for engaging in perfectly legal and taxable self-employment and these new 'developments' are really starting to piss me off. I'm in the UK and it will soon hit these shores under the same 'trafficking' guise I just know it.

    First Backpage, then FirstChoice now they want to stop us banking money full stop - FUCK OFF ALREADY WE ARE VERY HAPPY AND DON'T NEED ANYONE TO SAVE US!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teddy_Bear View Post
    I figured this thread should be bumped seeing as from the title it doesn't portray the seriousness of it's content so I imagine it gets overlooked. I feel personally attacked by the US government at the moment for engaging in perfectly legal and taxable self-employment and these new 'developments' are really starting to piss me off. I'm in the UK and it will soon hit these shores under the same 'trafficking' guise I just know it.

    First Backpage, then FirstChoice now they want to stop us banking money full stop - FUCK OFF ALREADY WE ARE VERY HAPPY AND DON'T NEED ANYONE TO SAVE US!
    if I could have edited the topic, I would have. I didn't think to use caps until posted

    I found information going back to 2015 on this topic.
    it is/was not talked about among sex workers
    and
    right now sesta and fosta have taken center stage.


    https://www.warren.senate.gov/newsro...an-traffickers

    Not all sex work is legal in the united states and that is a problem.

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    Default Re: EBHTA: End Banking for Human Traffickers Act H.R.2219

    Updated the title. Now my blind butt can stop thinking about EBT cards

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    Default Re: EBHTA: End Banking for Human Traffickers Act H.R.2219

    Sheesh. I'm glad I have a non-American bank account now. That's one (inconvenient) option, if you're able to do it... acquire a bank account in a country where sex work is legal, and transfer your US $ there for safe keeping. And I'm sure human traffickers are already doing the exact same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by naomi_doll View Post
    Are you just creating other camming/content accounts or other options for payment? I'd be curious to know what other payment options there would be for Americans right now besides check or some sort of deposit into a bank account.
    If you're in the US, get an offshore bank account. They are cheap and easy to open. I would NOT recommend that any US-based sex worker keep their savings in a US bank. Wire money meant for savings out of the US each month after all your bills/discretionary spending is complete. A little bit more expensive for sure but the peace of mind is worth it

    If you run payments through your own merchant account for your own site make it offshore for merch bank payments. If your MID only sends to the US, wire out the funds as per above

    Also, if you're in the US and are a cammer, pso, texter, content producer, whatever, have at least two bank accounts with diff banks. That way if one gets shut down you have another option set to go for next due payments. Just please do not keep your savings in a US-based bank if you work adult.

    If you're a site owner, have at least 2 backup payroll transfer services that operate outside the US

    And please; people who are into these 3rd party payment options, open some bank accounts to protect yourself. These companies rise and fall like the tides and each time one crashes you get fucked over. They have ZERO accountability to us. I know some peeps use 3rd party wallet debit card services to avoid taxes but those peeps end up spending more on fees/maintenance/withdrawal/ATM costs that they'd pay in taxes anyways. Bottom line: your money is not safe with these companies.

    So if you can, regardless of nation, if you can select to get money sent to a bank account do it. Not some third party service that says abruptly "oh, sorry, we're insolvent, you might get your funds in 90 days"


    Quote Originally Posted by seashell View Post
    Sheesh. I'm glad I have a non-American bank account now. That's one (inconvenient) option, if you're able to do it... acquire a bank account in a country where sex work is legal, and transfer your US $ there for safe keeping. And I'm sure human traffickers are already doing the exact same thing.
    exactly. and on an ethical tip these new laws will serve only to put the most vulnerable US sex workers back out on the street where they'll be in more danger and in the meantime penalizing all of us who operate consensual, safe, ethical, legal businesses as adults for adults.

    Brilliant thinking. Gotta love the law, always so different from justice.

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    I have a large wade of my savings in my Canadian Bank account and the other is in a brokerage account thur Spain but its an american brokerage.

    Should I consider moving all these to other off shore accounts or do you think Canada is okay? Also Im considering to open an e-company in Estonia so all my funds are paid to there and I can just pay myself a wage. Looking much more appealing right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhatGirlDynomite!!! View Post
    Okay Ive read about this on End Banking For Human Trafficking Act. So many annoroynms right now that my head is swimming. This is like Operation Choke Point Part 2. Crazy times! This guy Connor Habib broke it down on Twitter this week https://twitter.com/ConnerHabib/stat...827886080?s=19
    I have not been in the forums all weekend because I took the weekend off but came back to see this today and I am literally sick to my stomach and freaking out over this....wtf is next? I've used wellsfargo for years but I guess I will be looking for a 2nd bank account for my adult income

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    Quote Originally Posted by loveshooks View Post
    If you're in the US, get an offshore bank account. They are cheap and easy to open. I would NOT recommend that any US-based sex worker keep their savings in a US bank. Wire money meant for savings out of the US each month after all your bills/discretionary spending is complete. A little bit more expensive for sure but the peace of mind is worth it

    If you run payments through your own merchant account for your own site make it offshore for merch bank payments. If your MID only sends to the US, wire out the funds as per above

    Also, if you're in the US and are a cammer, pso, texter, content producer, whatever, have at least two bank accounts with diff banks. That way if one gets shut down you have another option set to go for next due payments. Just please do not keep your savings in a US-based bank if you work adult.

    If you're a site owner, have at least 2 backup payroll transfer services that operate outside the US

    And please; people who are into these 3rd party payment options, open some bank accounts to protect yourself. These companies rise and fall like the tides and each time one crashes you get fucked over. They have ZERO accountability to us. I know some peeps use 3rd party wallet debit card services to avoid taxes but those peeps end up spending more on fees/maintenance/withdrawal/ATM costs that they'd pay in taxes anyways. Bottom line: your money is not safe with these companies.

    So if you can, regardless of nation, if you can select to get money sent to a bank account do it. Not some third party service that says abruptly "oh, sorry, we're insolvent, you might get your funds in 90 days"




    exactly. and on an ethical tip these new laws will serve only to put the most vulnerable US sex workers back out on the street where they'll be in more danger and in the meantime penalizing all of us who operate consensual, safe, ethical, legal businesses as adults for adults.

    Brilliant thinking. Gotta love the law, always so different from justice.
    Do you have any recommendations for offshore accounts? Thank you for all this info!
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    Quote Originally Posted by loveshooks View Post
    If you're in the US, get an offshore bank account. They are cheap and easy to open. I would NOT recommend that any US-based sex worker keep their savings in a US bank. Wire money meant for savings out of the US each month after all your bills/discretionary spending is complete. A little bit more expensive for sure but the peace of mind is worth it

    If you run payments through your own merchant account for your own site make it offshore for merch bank payments. If your MID only sends to the US, wire out the funds as per above

    Also, if you're in the US and are a cammer, pso, texter, content producer, whatever, have at least two bank accounts with diff banks. That way if one gets shut down you have another option set to go for next due payments. Just please do not keep your savings in a US-based bank if you work adult.

    If you're a site owner, have at least 2 backup payroll transfer services that operate outside the US

    And please; people who are into these 3rd party payment options, open some bank accounts to protect yourself. These companies rise and fall like the tides and each time one crashes you get fucked over. They have ZERO accountability to us. I know some peeps use 3rd party wallet debit card services to avoid taxes but those peeps end up spending more on fees/maintenance/withdrawal/ATM costs that they'd pay in taxes anyways. Bottom line: your money is not safe with these companies.

    So if you can, regardless of nation, if you can select to get money sent to a bank account do it. Not some third party service that says abruptly "oh, sorry, we're insolvent, you might get your funds in 90 days"




    exactly. and on an ethical tip these new laws will serve only to put the most vulnerable US sex workers back out on the street where they'll be in more danger and in the meantime penalizing all of us who operate consensual, safe, ethical, legal businesses as adults for adults.

    Brilliant thinking. Gotta love the law, always so different from justice.
    Do you also have some pointers for EU models? Should we be afraid of these laws too and start taking up some safety measures?

    I agree with not using 3rd party services. I dont understand why so many models want their money sent to a debit card? Isn't having it send to a bank account much more secure? Do some USA peeps not have bank accounts? I just signed up with a studio to get a bank transfer to my EU IBAN account. I pay a few percent but bank transfer is still the most secure way of receiving money.

    Just look at that MFC girl whose 30000$ was frozen by Firstchoice pay. You dont want that to happen and if I am very honest its pretty stupid to have so much money on a debit card issued by some weird bank from Belize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeepThoughts View Post
    I have a large wade of my savings in my Canadian Bank account and the other is in a brokerage account thur Spain but its an american brokerage.

    Should I consider moving all these to other off shore accounts or do you think Canada is okay? Also Im considering to open an e-company in Estonia so all my funds are paid to there and I can just pay myself a wage. Looking much more appealing right now.
    Canada is much safer, I have a lot of my savings there as well (I was born in Canada and lived there most of my life). Canada does not permit one to receive payments directly from an adult merchant bank but aside from that stricture I've never felt a threat to my own money. And the peeps at Canada Revenue are some of the nicest individuals I've ever encountered, unlike the IRS you can actually pick up a phone and call the CRA and they will answer any questions you have in full and be super kind and patient when they do. They usually pick up the phone in less than three rings

    As to Europe, I don't have any experience there but I work with 100's of listees all over Europe who use bank accounts to receive payments from adult sites. Some countries do ask for documentation as to where the money is coming from if it's large sums (high xxxx per week), with those peeps I've just sent a bank letter on my corp letterhead (I actually have a template for this) and there has never been an issue in 4 years with any of them. And that's a small portion of people, I think I've sent 6 in four years

    Quote Originally Posted by Girly_Girl View Post
    I have not been in the forums all weekend because I took the weekend off but came back to see this today and I am literally sick to my stomach and freaking out over this....wtf is next? I've used wellsfargo for years but I guess I will be looking for a 2nd bank account for my adult income
    Absolutely set up a new bank account with a diff bank when you get a chance. That way if one closes you, you can switch all your payments from sites immediately to the other. Think hard about where you store your savings though.


    Quote Originally Posted by naomi_doll View Post
    Do you have any recommendations for offshore accounts? Thank you for all this info!
    Because my husband works all over the Caribbean he's opened bank accounts on two islands for savings as well as well as the CA and JA ones. We pay full taxes in any nation in which we've resided, never use an offshore account to evade taxes. We're moving to Jamaica in a few months (they finally lifted their outdated colonial pet importation laws) and we already have a bank account set up there as well.

    There are accounts in nations that don't require an in-person visit, google around and you'll see there are a ton of options. The main thing is don't evade taxes, even if you work a site that sends your pay directly to that non-US account, declare it with the IRS if you live in the US. Do not fuck around and you'll be fine

    Quote Originally Posted by AuroraJade View Post
    Do you also have some pointers for EU models? Should we be afraid of these laws too and start taking up some safety measures?

    I agree with not using 3rd party services. I dont understand why so many models want their money sent to a debit card? Isn't having it send to a bank account much more secure? Do some USA peeps not have bank accounts? I just signed up with a studio to get a bank transfer to my EU IBAN account. I pay a few percent but bank transfer is still the most secure way of receiving money.

    Just look at that MFC girl whose 30000$ was frozen by Firstchoice pay. You dont want that to happen and if I am very honest its pretty stupid to have so much money on a debit card issued by some weird bank from Belize.
    that weird bank is a 10 min walk from my best girl's home in Belize City. I need to visit her (right now I'm a bit farther south in Placencia) before I leave and I promise not to firebomb the bank =)

    they owe me money too, thankfully not nearly as much as when Chexx crashed. Being real though, the max you can withdraw from the card in 24 hrs is 1k. So if you get paid 4k it would take four days to withdraw that. I work with a few peeps who are in that position. They weren't being stupid, they just couldn't get their money out in time due to the daily withdrawal limit and now have their funds frozen as well, through absolutely no fault of their own.

    In terms of Euro models, as I wrote above your bank may at some point request a company document proving that you work for them, but that's rare. I'm not an expert on this but from everything I've read and experienced I would consider Europe safe

    In terms of why debit card/wallet systems are needed, there are some nations in which it's very difficult to open a bank account. For example, in JA it would be hell trying to open a bank account if the bank manager wasn't one of my dude's best friends. At least one nation I know of in South America requires actual physical paystubs to open an account. How can you do that with online work? Also, there are some countries that no payroll transfer service covers. Mainly women on the African continent are affected by this.

    So these systems are needed, we just need to be wary, withdraw everything can every day

    I hope this helps. and for the peeps who are as stressed as I am, know that we are adaptable, strong and will get through this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erika_Xstacy View Post
    This is a new policy enforced by wells fargo
    Fuck wells fargo! Their employees are protesting in many citites

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    I am just so confused. If I work a legal, traceable, self employment venue - that I pay taxes on quarterly - why would my bank account be frozen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhatGirlDynomite!!! View Post
    Ive created new bank accounts. Online and a credit union for direct deposits so I dont receive my adult money with mainstream. I also split up my adult stuff too. I personally have never had a bank shut me down or hold my money, but I'm not willing to take that chance.

    And Im also doing research on payment processors too. I do alot of indy stuff and I dont want to get too comfortable with just two options. I want 3 or 4. I'm not trying to ring the alarm. But we should all be prepared. In many ways times like these can be used as an opportunity to get ahead if you plan accordingly.

    Thanks Erika for bringing this up.
    THIS! I read this last night and I couldn't agree more. I private messaged you as I would like to learn more. GOD! I love how smart you all of you are!

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    I noticed that this hasn't been posted about in a few weeks, is there any update on this?

    what should I do as a us cammer?

    is this going to really effect us? or was this just a passing panic that went away?

    I just found this about 3 hours ago and am in full panic mode and im shocked this hasn't been talked about more in the community considering it is the worst thing that can literally happen to us and looks like it could possibly mean the end of camming literally

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