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    Default Is camming sex work?

    Do you consider yourself a sex worker because you cam? Saw a debate over this on twitter. Just wondering what your thoughts are.

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    Default Re: Is camming sex work?

    Yes, it's work that is sexual even though there isn't any in person contact.

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    Default Re: Is camming sex work?

    I don't personally use the term to define or describe what I do. From a purely semantic standpoint I won't deny that camming is "sex work", in its most generalized definition ... So I answered yes on the poll. But in actual nuanced conversation about it, I prefer not to conflate it with sex work that is illegal, or to discuss it without that distinction. Not to mention, a lot of what I get paid for on cam is not actually sexual. If I told someone I was a "sex worker" without any other explanation, they would not assume I work alone, from home, on cam. So I would rather call myself a webcam model or adult entertainer, because it is more indicative of what i actually do. But that is my *preference*; if you are a camgirl and want to call yourself a sex worker, go for it. We should both be able to classify and label ourselves however we choose. I am not saying any term is better or worse, either.

    Also, I've been watching twitter on this issue too... Its been quite heated and hostile. Hope any discussions made on this thread are civil and not inflammatory.
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    I could call this job anything and the fact that there are thousands of threads about how to keep this job secret, how to rent an apartment or keep from having bank accounts closed proves that the sigma is there. That’s all that really matters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by naomi_doll View Post
    I could call this job anything and the fact that there are thousands of threads about how to keep this job secret, how to rent an apartment or keep from having bank accounts closed proves that the sigma is there. That’s all that really matters.
    Well said.

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    Default Re: Is camming sex work?

    Yes. You're in the adult industry and selling sexual entertainment/the fantasy of sex. That's my definition. Lots of cam girls and strippers will try to distance themselves from escorts and prostitutes by saying, "I'm not having sex with anyone, so therefore I'm not a sex worker" but I think of "sex work" as an umbrella term for a variety of jobs related to adult entertainment.

    I think it's bullshit that a lot of women try to establish this "whorearchy" based on, "You do this and I don't, so therefore I'm above you." We're all viewed the same in society, regardless of what we do or don't do pertaining to our specific job titles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by naomi_doll View Post
    I could call this job anything and the fact that there are thousands of threads about how to keep this job secret, how to rent an apartment or keep from having bank accounts closed proves that the sigma is there. That’s all that really matters.
    one of the biggest barriers to entry in this industry is the stigma... if it were gone, more people would do this and it wouldn't have nearly as much income potential. many of us choose to do this work because it pays better than any other vanilla job we might be qualified for. I'd rather be stigmatized and be able to charge higher rates and make good money, than be accepted by society and make less money due to more competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anonamiss View Post
    one of the biggest barriers to entry in this industry is the stigma... if it were gone, more people would do this and it wouldn't have nearly as much income potential. many of us choose to do this work because it pays better than any other vanilla job we might be qualified for. I'd rather be stigmatized and be able to charge higher rates and make good money, than be accepted by society and make less money due to more competition.
    People not liking my job is different from things like Chase closing my bank account because I do porn.

    Anyway, I’m only saying the rest of the world sees this as sex work no matter what I say.
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    I agree with you, the day it becomes accepted, it becomes devalued.
    Its moving that way more and more with new generations de-clothing on instagram for likes, those are the girls that are going to graduate to cam girls.
    Not only does it devalue it, it makes the competition higher.
    True, the bank account stuff is difficult, and makes things sticky, but its pretty simple, if it was easy and normal everyone would do it.
    If everyone does it, we all go back to charging 10 cents a minuet, while instagram models and youtubers get paid contracts to do it.
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    Of course it is. No long ass dissertation needed.

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    It's not work. I just do it because I'm an attention whore.
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    Default Re: Is camming sex work?

    I like the term 'virtual courtesan' (Hyori said this in here a while ago and i liked it a lot), i personally dont see it as sex work.
    Still i keep it secret cause people wont have the same views like myself and the stigma is there.
    All u ladies said above are valid facts so yeah, its a matter of nuance, is a 'gray area with many shades'

    ETA: surprised by what people answered to this poll, wont disclose it but yeah, perspective is everything.
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    Default Re: Is camming sex work?

    Yes, it is sex work. But then again, anything I do where men give up their money and time just to spend on me is sex work. Because why would I want to talk to dudes over the internet, phone, apps, and virtual worlds for free? I want to get paid for all of my goodies...rather it is virtual or not
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    I find it hilarious that some people on twitter are making the argument that camming isn't sex work because "sex work is illegal and my job is legal". As though that distinction is either universally true or at all relevant. If they were living somewhere that escorting is legal (like here in Aus), what argument would they use then to distance themselves from it?

    I'm a sex worker and I have been my entire adult life, regardless of which area of the industry I've been working in, and I love it!

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    My definition of sex workers:
    - Webcam girl; you get paid directly just to reveal your nipples or vagina.
    - Stripper; as above.
    - Porn star; you get paid for having sex in front of a camera.
    - Sugar baby; you get paid for your time of being a girlfriend. Pretty much an escort.
    - Escort; "officially" you get paid for your time, but everyone knows you're expected to entertain someone sexually. Basically a higher class version of a prostitute.
    - Prostitute; you get paid for having sex with someone, nothing else.

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    I want to hear from the 5 models that said No! Why arent they posting here? I would be interested to hear their argument.

    I do webcamming, porno, escorting and live as a sugarbaby and across the board I just feel like Im an ego feeder. If you want to be his wife you feed his belly. If all you want is his money you feed his Ego. Sex is just a small part of it. This is also why I believe the job will never stop being lucrative because it really has very little to do with how "loose" you are willing to be and has everything to do with making him feel like "He's the man". Or in the case of the sugar momma "she's sexy" but its more common for men to need this then women so I tend to speak in terms of just men but either way its EGO!

    As a side note Im addicted to the tv show 90 day fiance for this very reason! I love watching this dynamic play out as the men and women hustle one another and I adore these hustlers who are right up front saying they are there cause they want the $$ and the American life! I also love watching the idiots that think these beautiful people love their ugly asses for who they are not because they have something to offer! So many wonderful moments on that show! Sometimes I see girls get called out for having done sex work in their past and I think YOU'RE ALL DOING SEX WORK!!!!!! If you want more of what you want you just have to feed that EGO!

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    Default Re: Is camming sex work?

    Yes. Because most often the performer is having sex with herself (masturbation) or sex with a partner.

    maybe back in the day it - when camming was a new concept, it was not saturated with women trying to do the most, and cam models just modeled. But 2018 - it’s dildos, cum shows, orgasms, etc

    Masturbation is considered sex. Solo sex but it is sex.

    A handful of ladies probably just sit there and look pretty but the majority are performing/simulating sex.

    To keep it simple - if you bust nuts (real or simulated) or you help your clients bust a nut then you have just performed sex work.

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    Better not to cause unwanted arguments so I edit my post, I can only say I don't have the mind set of a sex worker so for me the answer was NO.
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    I find this topic a strange one and something I have never actually considered. Why are these labels so important?
    I mean would I deny that I am a sex worker, no! When people ask what I do, do I say I'm a sex worker? No, that's too broad of a term.

    Does it matter what we label ourselves as? and more importantly should be dictated to by the angry cam girl mob that we MUST call ourselves sex workers, in order to stand up for the sex worker community? Hell no. Not every sex worker wants to be part of the whole solidarity thing.
    Most are here to just earn the $$$ and give no shits about the industry as a whole, their label or how society sees them.

    I honestly don't know why the girl in question on twitter decided to take to twitter to announce that she doesn't want to be classed as a sex worker, I mean I can't help but think she done this for a reaction, she knew she would get the reaction. She got it and didn't realise how big it would be and cried.
    And I honestly don't know why any other sex worker even gave a shit. She's one model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scarletl View Post
    I find this topic a strange one and something I have never actually considered. Why are these labels so important?
    I mean would I deny that I am a sex worker, no! When people ask what I do, do I say I'm a sex worker? No, that's too broad of a term.

    Does it matter what we label ourselves as? and more importantly should be dictated to by the angry cam girl mob that we MUST call ourselves sex workers, in order to stand up for the sex worker community? Hell no. Not every sex worker wants to be part of the whole solidarity thing.
    Most are here to just earn the $$$ and give no shits about the industry as a whole, their label or how society sees them.

    I honestly don't know why the girl in question on twitter decided to take to twitter to announce that she doesn't want to be classed as a sex worker, I mean I can't help but think she done this for a reaction, she knew she would get the reaction. She got it and didn't realise how big it would be and cried.
    And I honestly don't know why any other sex worker even gave a shit. She's one model.
    I haven't seen that particular twitter spat and have deliberately avoided it. But I have seen other instances where things have gotten ugly online. Coincidentally I just finished posting about this very thing a few moments ago. IMO the reason why so many are raging online is because they don't have any other outlet for their own discourse. Also I think lots of people around the world are suffering from an identity crisis and feel like they need to take a stand on something in order to "stand" for something. It's not just in the adult industry, it's everywhere. Identity Politics (I hate using that term), but it's a real thing and if we're not careful I think these things will continue to divide us.

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    BTW I'm not surprised by these poll results at all. I'm glad people have been respectful while discussing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scarletl View Post
    I find this topic a strange one and something I have never actually considered. Why are these labels so important?
    I mean would I deny that I am a sex worker, no! When people ask what I do, do I say I'm a sex worker? No, that's too broad of a term.

    Does it matter what we label ourselves as? and more importantly should be dictated to by the angry cam girl mob that we MUST call ourselves sex workers, in order to stand up for the sex worker community? Hell no. Not every sex worker wants to be part of the whole solidarity thing.
    Most are here to just earn the $$$ and give no shits about the industry as a whole, their label or how society sees them.

    I honestly don't know why the girl in question on twitter decided to take to twitter to announce that she doesn't want to be classed as a sex worker, I mean I can't help but think she done this for a reaction, she knew she would get the reaction. She got it and didn't realise how big it would be and cried.
    And I honestly don't know why any other sex worker even gave a shit. She's one model.
    I love this! I really ask myself if everyone thinks Im a sex worker does that mean I am? If I work in sex but dont think of myself a sex worker does this mean Im not? Where exactly is the line drawn???

    I dont think the labels hurt anything but also I dont know why they matter! Its just like every label in life if you own it then no one can hurt you with it and that is why I advocate for just calling yourself a sexworker, whore, prostitute or whatever and then no one can use it against you but that doesnt mean it has to define you! Live your own bestt life and just be who ever you are!

    Today I had a guy in my chat room say to me "that bra makes you look like a dumb whore" to which I responded "Dont blame the bra".

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhatGirlDynomite!!! View Post
    I haven't seen that particular twitter spat and have deliberately avoided it. But I have seen other instances where things have gotten ugly online. Coincidentally I just finished posting about this very thing a few moments ago. IMO the reason why so many are raging online is because they don't have any other outlet for their own discourse. Also I think lots of people around the world are suffering from an identity crisis and feel like they need to take a stand on something in order to "stand" for something. It's not just in the adult industry, it's everywhere. Identity Politics (I hate using that term), but it's a real thing and if we're not careful I think these things will continue to divide us.
    Yes! This is so true about identity crisis. We're surrounded by this "need" to make a difference in the world, have everyone and everything accepted, be someone important. I find it insane and don't understand why people can't just be happy with who they are and what they do.

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    I love this! I really ask myself if everyone thinks Im a sex worker does that mean I am? If I work in sex but dont think of myself a sex worker does this mean Im not? Where exactly is the line drawn???

    I dont think the labels hurt anything but also I dont know why they matter! Its just like every label in life if you own it then no one can hurt you with it and that is why I advocate for just calling yourself a sexworker, whore, prostitute or whatever and then no one can use it against you but that doesnt mean it has to define you! Live your own bestt life and just be who ever you are!

    Today I had a guy in my chat room say to me "that bra makes you look like a dumb whore" to which I responded "Dont blame the bra".
    Haha don't blame the bra. Love that.

    This is also very true and I think so many girls in the industry become stuck. They think their job defines who they are and if they believe that then they will also believe guys mean comments, also define who they are.

    I personally have zero interest in being a part of whole "sex workers stick together" community, it mainly sticks around twitter. I do what I do as a job. It does not define me and it doesn't make me anything other than me, I sell men a fantasy and then I am who I am. If something comes up within the industry where sticking together is needed (something that threatens our jobs) then of course, I believe in sticking together. I chat with fellow girls in the community, learn from them, have a laugh with them but at the end of the day, we're all competitors to each other. Which is why I never bothered to make close friends within in this industry.

    Hopefully now summer is nearly coming to and end, the sites will get busier and the angry cam girl mob will have something better to do than attack attention seekers online.

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