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    Is the strip club industry on the way out?


    I personally think that strip clubs won't be around or as prevalent as they used to be, I'm not saying that the end of strip clubs will be anytime soon but the number of customers that come into and frequently patron strip clubs are on the decline. I notice that there are way more people going to regular nightclubs and bars rather than strip clubs. (Which are becoming more and more like strip clubs everyday with how their employees and female customers are dressed and act. Oi vey! Have you ever seen the "clubbing" clothes on Amazon? It's no wonder why some men can't distinguish the female customers from the strippers, it's really depressing that in our society women choose to wear lingerie and fetish clothing as their normal attire... I personally would never wear any of those clothes unless I am stripping or going to a club trying to get hired as a stripper.)


    And with the easy accessibility of pornography websites, webcam sites, the influx of women who become strippers, and just the overall change in the promiscuity of the everyday woman, it's no wonder why dancers make less than they used to.

    I live in Tampa, Florida and work at one of the most prominent strip clubs and I notice that even on the weekends (in our slow season) just get slower with lower quality and frankly, disgusting customers every year. For me, the money is almost not worth the abuse that I take on an average shift.

    Off topic rant, but I was just reading about the quality of strip clubs in other states and it saddens me that I work in a state where the general norm of touching is completely unregulated. Men feel that they can lick/suck on/kiss your body, smack your bottom as hard as they can, attempt to touch you inappropriately, pull you forcibly on their laps, and stick dollars near your privates. It's beyond sexual harassment, really. It makes me sick that there is such a disrespect for entertainers and it doesn't surprise me that the quality of dancers has decreased because of it. And a lot of the clubs don't care about the quality of the customers that they're letting in. The other night my club let in a guy who literally looked homeless. This wouldn't fly at a normal nightclub. He smelled of B.O to the extent where it literally made the whole club stink and he was so disrespectful and just gross. It saddens me that strip clubs have to bring in customers like this to fill their quotas, it's just a bad look on the industry as a whole.

    Personally, I am disillusioned with the state of the industry and know that I am on my way out.

    But what do you all feel about the strip club industry? Do you feel that the quality of strip clubs are declining? Will they will be as profitable in the future? Can you see more people trying to open new strip clubs? Do you think that the strip club industry is better than it used to be?

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    I think it depends on the city/club. Portland sounds a lot like what you're describing, by far the most dirty and unregulated city I have ever worked in. Vegas, on the other hand, is strict and well monitored. In the last two years my yearly earnings have almost doubled, been dancing since 10'. The legalization of marijuana has made a huge impact on west coast clubs, some good, some bad. However, I dislike the influx of girls dancing for popularity/bragging rights, the presence of social media in the club, and new strippers trying to sell newer strippers hustle tips. LOL! FYI Im not hating on Strip and Grow Rich, they are the OG's and their sales pitch actually felt genuine. It sounds like you have been dancing for a while...would you considering traveling? I constantly ask myself the same questions but I know I'm in it for the long haul. Good luck!


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    LOL! At some clubs I mistake the bartenders/waitresses for strippers bwahahaha. Some clubs also let them sell dances which blurs the line completely.

    And yeah some female customers do come in looking like strippers at a strip club. I've worked at a dive in the past that they'd let a random civilian bitch get on stage, dance get rained on by her friends and she isn't even a stripper and walks out of the place soon after. The fuckery is real. I can say more examples but not trying to write a novel here.

    It's changing is all I can say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luxx78 View Post
    I think it depends on the city/club. Portland sounds a lot like what you're describing, by far the most dirty and unregulated city I have ever worked in. Vegas, on the other hand, is strict and well monitored. In the last two years my yearly earnings have almost doubled, been dancing since 10'. The legalization of marijuana has made a huge impact on west coast clubs, some good, some bad. However, I dislike the influx of girls dancing for popularity/bragging rights, the presence of social media in the club, and new strippers trying to sell newer strippers hustle tips. LOL! FYI Im not hating on Strip and Grow Rich, they are the OG's and their sales pitch actually felt genuine. It sounds like you have been dancing for a while...would you considering traveling? I constantly ask myself the same questions but I know I'm in it for the long haul. Good luck!
    I definitely am going to travel before I give up on the whole thing to become a bartender or something, I regularly make trips down to Miami (just to try out the clubs down there) but getting out of Florida completely to travel to NOLA, Denver, Texas, or Vegas would be more than welcomed as long as the money is steady.

    You know, I hear so many things about Vegas both good and bad.
    I hear that the girls don't even make that much anymore because of all the regulations. Like some girls would walk away with $300-$500 on a Friday night, which in of itself isn't bad for like a Monday or Tuesday, but for Vegas on the weekend? It would be pointless for me.

    I did hear that like 1 or 2 years ago when I first started dancing though, things could have changed since then.

    But I have noticed the pressure of having a booming social media amongst dancers, but typically over here it just falls flat and is only a tool used to make other girls feel bad rather than bring in actual money. I don't know, I feel like it's kind of an immature move unless if you are bringing in customers with it.
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    LOL! At some clubs I mistake the bartenders/waitresses for strippers bwahahaha. Some clubs also let them sell dances which blurs the line completely.

    And yeah some female customers do come in looking like strippers at a strip club. I've worked at a dive in the past that they'd let a random civilian bitch get on stage, dance get rained on by her friends and she isn't even a stripper and walks out of the place soon after. The fuckery is real. I can say more examples but not trying to write a novel here.

    It's changing is all I can say.
    Oh my god, the old club that I worked at did that shit.
    A customer wanted to take the bartender into a VIP room, and THEY LET HIM. She was gone for 30 minutes and made more money than the rest of us schleps did because they didn't charge her any room fees. There is such a bias with the freaking staff that it's madness. It's like they forget who is the blood of the establishment and what makes a strip club not just another bar.

    Needless to say, all of the hottest/most popular dancers packed their bags and that club's business died out real quick. (I still watch them from across the street and laugh at how little cars they have parked in their lot even at peak hours)

    These clubs need to step up their game and get back to basics; to appreciate their entertainers, keep things classy but fun, and to refuse the stupid from coming in.
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    It depends on your area, look, and hustle I think. Things are def changing. For me, I've doubled my income as well the past year. I just think things are evolving.

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    Ive heard the same thing from veteran dancers about the money not being great like it was in 10-15 years ago, even 5 years ago, and how men back then were serious about spending at strip clubs and now strip clubs are advertising themselves as "adult nightclubs."

    My thoughts: People today, men in our case, have more options for entertainment then before - ranging from reasonable-to-low-to-free entertainment. Thanks to the Internet. Though it's good, but it greatly effected us, dancers, with these free contents out there that is easily accessible with their phones. It changed the demographic over time. The male teenagers and young adult males of yesterday is now the adult in their mid-20's-to-30's of today that grew up with this "freemium" mentality. Veteran dancers tell that back then, the prime targets were "older white males," since they're the ones who frequent and were serious about spending on the dancers, and now, they don't come in anymore from what the veterans say.

    From my point-of-view, they're right.

    Businesses has to introduce the service/product to a new audience or generation of consumers in order to stay in business. And some products, older customers phase out: for example - Disney has to recapture a newer audience once the children of yesterday has grown out. In our case, the "older white males" and "fat-ugly-socially-awkward-guy" who lack female attention of yesterday are phasing out or already phased as they retired or going to retire(penny-pinching) and got married or got into the current norms which those consumers have to replace with the new consumers. But as this "freemium" mentality has become the norm and, as well, with the current economical structure: rising cost-of-living, inflation, stagnated wages, debt, good-paying jobs disappearing, and other factors. It has change the view of the growing Millennial consumer demographic on how to spend money - especially men.

    Have you guys ever tried to ask any male friends/relatives about their opinions about strip clubs? Or hear conversations from them or from strangers? It's always negative in my experience from my brother who is in his early-30's and never set a foot in a strip club, at Reddit, and as well, hearing from 19-year-olds laughing at the idea of a guy spending money on a woman just to dance in front of him. It's nothing mysterious to them and they all know how the strip club environment works. The strip clubs lost its aura and shock value in today's world.

    I know there's other factors to mention: hookup culture, as girls are giving it up easily, sex is now normalize, rap music greatly influenced the SC environment and bringing in these fools thta hang out at a strip club and not spending, and so on.

    It's not only strip clubs that is being effected. But casinos, lottery, and other industries are also being effected as consumers get smarter or just plain out cheap. But the way of the trends are heading, strip clubs are incline to promote the "nightclub" vibe to get revenue.
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    I think strip club as we know them are on the way out. Just like (old school not neo) burlesque was taken over by peep shows and clubs with lap dances and VIP rooms.
    Camgirls are the new peepshows, prostitution/fssw is the lapdance in VIP.
    Strip clubs need to offer something new. I think they should be more like host/hostess clubs in Asian countries, basically its a paid date experience with a live girl (dinner, drinking, conversation etc), in a nightclub setting (regular club on first floor, dates upper level)
    Or prostitution will become legal and we'll have to do full service in VIP between stage sets.

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    There’s no substitute for human connection. We need human contact for our emotional health. What comes to mind is the story of the orphanages where the nurses caring for them didn’t touch the babies- a lot of them died. Without human contact we develop mental and physical illnesses.

    Yes, the industry is changing for sure.

    The veterans who provide quality entertainment don’t have time for the BS of entitled Guys. Most have gotten what they want and are phasing out of the industry.

    I’m looking at traveling to rural clubs, lots of old men with money and less competition. The clubs chargin all the fees is ridiculous. I just can’t. Even if there’s lots of money to be made when I working for all the money why does the club get to take almost half. The hair, make up, keeping in shape, the therapy....just not worth it in the long run.

    Noticed a huge trend of becoming a night club mentality. I started wearing more clothes on the floor. No touching and looking for free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 305gurl View Post
    Ive heard the same thing from veteran dancers about the money not being great like it was in 10-15 years ago, even 5 years ago, and how men back then were serious about spending at strip clubs and now strip clubs are advertising themselves as "adult nightclubs."

    My thoughts: People today, men in our case, have more options for entertainment then before - ranging from reasonable-to-low-to-free entertainment. Thanks to the Internet. Though it's good, but it greatly effected us, dancers, with these free contents out there that is easily accessible with their phones. It changed the demographic over time. The male teenagers and young adult males of yesterday is now the adult in their mid-20's-to-30's of today that grew up with this "freemium" mentality. Veteran dancers tell that back then, the prime targets were "older white males," since they're the ones who frequent and were serious about spending on the dancers, and now, they don't come in anymore from what the veterans say.

    From my point-of-view, they're right.

    Businesses has to introduce the service/product to a new audience or generation of consumers in order to stay in business. And some products, older customers phase out: for example - Disney has to recapture a newer audience once the children of yesterday has grown out. In our case, the "older white males" and "fat-ugly-socially-awkward-guy" who lack female attention of yesterday are phasing out or already phased as they retired or going to retire(penny-pinching) and got married or got into the current norms which those consumers have to replace with the new consumers. But as this "freemium" mentality has become the norm and, as well, with the current economical structure: rising cost-of-living, inflation, stagnated wages, debt, good-paying jobs disappearing, and other factors. It has change the view of the growing Millennial consumer demographic on how to spend money - especially men.

    Have you guys ever tried to ask any male friends/relatives about their opinions about strip clubs? Or hear conversations from them or from strangers? It's always negative in my experience from my brother who is in his early-30's and never set a foot in a strip club, at Reddit, and as well, hearing from 19-year-olds laughing at the idea of a guy spending money on a woman just to dance in front of him. It's nothing mysterious to them and they all know how the strip club environment works. The strip clubs lost its aura and shock value in today's world.

    I know there's other factors to mention: hookup culture, as girls are giving it up easily, sex is now normalize, rap music greatly influenced the SC environment and bringing in these fools thta hang out at a strip club and not spending, and so on.

    It's not only strip clubs that is being effected. But casinos, lottery, and other industries are also being effected as consumers get smarter or just plain out cheap. But the way of the trends are heading, strip clubs are incline to promote the "nightclub" vibe to get revenue.

    I feel like this can be said for all forms of sw btw...

    Really loved this post bc it basically sums everything up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gelsey View Post
    I think strip club as we know them are on the way out. Just like (old school not neo) burlesque was taken over by peep shows and clubs with lap dances and VIP rooms.
    Camgirls are the new peepshows, prostitution/fssw is the lapdance in VIP.
    Strip clubs need to offer something new. I think they should be more like host/hostess clubs in Asian countries, basically its a paid date experience with a live girl (dinner, drinking, conversation etc), in a nightclub setting (regular club on first floor, dates upper level)
    Or prostitution will become legal and we'll have to do full service in VIP between stage sets.
    The Hostess thing doesn't sound bad if that is really what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by random stripper View Post
    The Hostess thing doesn't sound bad if that is really what it is.
    Keep in mind its normal to give a hand job in strip clubs in those countries, and prostitution is legal. Its part culture, part product/service offering. From what I have read you do have quotas to meet for clients requesting you and taking you to dinner...its not without risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gelsey View Post
    I think strip club as we know them are on the way out. Just like (old school not neo) burlesque was taken over by peep shows and clubs with lap dances and VIP rooms.
    Camgirls are the new peepshows, prostitution/fssw is the lapdance in VIP.
    Strip clubs need to offer something new. I think they should be more like host/hostess clubs in Asian countries, basically its a paid date experience with a live girl (dinner, drinking, conversation etc), in a nightclub setting (regular club on first floor, dates upper level)
    Or prostitution will become legal and we'll have to do full service in VIP between stage sets.

    Yes exactly! I think of burlesques compared to stripclubs. Did you see the burlesque doc from like ten years ago?
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    Though it's not that bad. I just go after and take advantage on those "nice guys." But lately, they haven't coming in to the club and cultivating a regular is getting harder too. and another thing, that really pissed me off recently, the Internet has made privacy obsolete and all a social media warfare. A fucking regular of mine's just found out my real name through Facebook. Agh, he actually fucking found it by looking through old archives. And everyone is taking photos inside in the club and posting them on Instagram which pisses me off that I got to suck around to avoid being the photo.

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    Around here the dives and the small town clubs are hit the hardest. The bigger city clubs and the tourist destination clubs havent been as affected.

    Its still possible to have 1000 plus days. Last week I had two days that were 2000 (a Tuesday and a Wednesday mid shift strangely enough) but I'm working longer hours and putting up with a lot more BS.

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    I am in Seattle. Our cost of living has gone up CONSIDERABLY in the past two years. I live in a nice condo and my rent has increased by $200 per month since I moved in. Most clubs here are blue collar clubs and my feeling is that while the economy is doing so great (we have the #1 economy in the country for two years), working/middle class folks have frozen wages but higher bills. Everything is more expensive, rent, cable, groceries, everything. Who would have thought, 5 years ago, that so many people would be cool with paying $1000–and now $1500??— for a damn iPhone?? Everything is more expensive.

    My theory is that people are just trying to get by with their bills and they don’t have spending money for the strip club because their wages are the same as they were two years ago. I think this translates to more places besides just Seattle.

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    It's harder for stripclubs nowadays.

    In NYC, Underground lapdance club like Elegant Ties Club are making stripclubs obsolete. They do not hire traditional strippers and the girls hired do not need to have any prior experience. The managers make a profit off house and entrance fees. Girls also do not have to pay any tax cause they don't report income/fill out paper work. Plus, management get to keep whatever they make from splitting profit from liquor sales if they use their own private apartment space (which places like Elegant operates in).

    I think eventually Stripclubs will take note of these underground parties and perhaps adapt to how they're operating? I definitely don't want to see any more stripclubs go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinksugardoll View Post
    My theory is that people are just trying to get by with their bills and they don’t have spending money for the strip club because their wages are the same as they were two years ago. I think this translates to more places besides just Seattle.
    I agree. Though I think it's more of a change of culture. Girls and women are giving it up easily. Making a lot of growing male minds to think paying a girl is silly. I hear this many times from male relatives and friends. Even customers in the strip club. And technology even made sex and hookups more accessible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinksugardoll View Post
    I am in Seattle. Our cost of living has gone up CONSIDERABLY in the past two years. I live in a nice condo and my rent has increased by $200 per month since I moved in. Most clubs here are blue collar clubs and my feeling is that while the economy is doing so great (we have the #1 economy in the country for two years), working/middle class folks have frozen wages but higher bills. Everything is more expensive, rent, cable, groceries, everything. Who would have thought, 5 years ago, that so many people would be cool with paying $1000–and now $1500??— for a damn iPhone?? Everything is more expensive.

    My theory is that people are just trying to get by with their bills and they don’t have spending money for the strip club because their wages are the same as they were two years ago. I think this translates to more places besides just Seattle.

    In my area the few clubs that cater to high rollers are whore houses- no offense to prostitutes. Any of the upscale clubs in my part of the country have always had bat shit crazy girls that go on “dates”. Maybe it’s just bad luck, but terrible management and bat shit crazy girls in three different major cities at all the upscale clubs? I dunno (scratches head). Anyways, the mid tier clubs have average guys. I agree the average guy just doesn’t have a bunch of disposable cash and wants me to beg for it.

    Still frustrating as fuck for how much time and energy I put into my performance and looks. If you want a boring basic bitch, then go to the bar or a date.

    That being said we all have a negativity bias. I think it’s fair to say that male entitlement, free sex/porn, and less disposable income is creating the worst customers. I had one guy who was awesome and tipped well, but then I had to deal with the “worst customers” most of the time tonight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ifyouseekamy View Post
    In my area the few clubs that cater to high rollers are whore houses- no offense to prostitutes. Any of the upscale clubs in my part of the country have always had bat shit crazy girls that go on “dates”. Maybe it’s just bad luck, but terrible management and bat shit crazy girls in three different major cities at all the upscale clubs? I dunno (scratches head). Anyways, the mid tier clubs have average guys. I agree the average guy just doesn’t have a bunch of disposable cash and wants me to beg for it.

    Still frustrating as fuck for how much time and energy I put into my performance and looks. If you want a boring basic bitch, then go to the bar or a date.

    That being said we all have a negativity bias. I think it’s fair to say that male entitlement, free sex/porn, and less disposable income is creating the worst customers. I had one guy who was awesome and tipped well, but then I had to deal with the “worst customers” most of the time tonight.
    Gentlemen's clubs werent made for women to constantly pulling teeth with a customer. They used to come in, see what was on display and buy the look and time.

    And is there really that many young women being outside the industry that give themselves to the older men that come in to the club? Oh, yeah, practically those naiive girls on bootlegged sugar sites are.... Right? But so many that aren't, aren't--
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    I feel like clubs themselves cycle.

    You find a good club. You stick around. Club starts to go downhill. Dancer quality goes downhill. Stripper thinks the entire industry is in the shitter as a result of one club's trajectory.

    Or, as was mentioned in a similar thread recently... stripper starts to get low-key burnout. Stripper starts to make less money as a result. Stripper blames it on the industry.

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    stripper starts to get low-key burnout. Stripper starts to make less money as a result. Stripper blames it on the industry.
    100%.

    Every time you have a bad night, there's a girl who just made $3k. Low-key burnout is real. I was wondering recently why the club had gone so downhill, didn't realize until a week later that the club is doing just fine - it was ME. I was carrying over stress from my personal life into the club, which is hard not to do, especially when customers are rude and you get rejected by 25 guys and you feel like it's you (because it lowkey is, not your looks, but your vibe).

    Self reflection and being honest with yourself is important and saves you mental health trouble AND makes you more moeny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by charlie61 View Post
    I feel like clubs themselves cycle.

    You find a good club. You stick around. Club starts to go downhill. Dancer quality goes downhill. Stripper thinks the entire industry is in the shitter as a result of one club's trajectory.

    Or, as was mentioned in a similar thread recently... stripper starts to get low-key burnout. Stripper starts to make less money as a result. Stripper blames it on the industry.
    Well, I don't know how things are in the Midwest and some states, but things are very shaky in South Florida. I've seen the changes within the strip club economy over the years. In 2009-10, I had multiple good nights and some great nights while having very few bad nights. As the years went by, bad nights were occurring more and more even on the weekends. Now, I've see the crowd. It's just a different generation of men than the ones I dealt with 10 years ago. There's no "older white males" coming in to the club like it used to and they were top favorite "prey" since they were the ones spending serious money on us girls.

    Now, the Hispanic males are the majority and they're not keen on spending money in the clubs. A lot of them have a different view on money and women. And I try and try to hustle them but it's like pulling teeth and dealing with a huge margaine. Then the blacks who are considered to be the ones to be ignored among us since they don't spend at all. And mind you, the Millennials are coming in to fill-in the phase-out older males.

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    I think the $$$ is probably substantially less than the 90s. It still beats using your 4 year psych degree working at Starbucks. Also the $$$ moves around. Sometimes $ dries up in one club and you gotta go elsewhere.

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    In my opinion strip business is middle class based. Of course, we get rich guys, but our business is based on middle class people who regularly come to the clubs, drink and buy strings of dances (maybe not VIP). And strip clubs reflect how well or how bad is MIDDLE CLASS in USA. Do they have extra money to spend. And middle class went down significantly in the past decade. If in early 2000 girls were regularly making 1 k in my club, now it's 200-300 average. We still have rich guys, VIPs now and then, but major money flow from middle class decreased. If early in early 2000 it was easy and consistently to sell 5-10 dances. Now you literally pull teeth for 2-3 dances.
    Also, with middle class going down economically we have more and more girls in need for money, and not for money "buy extra clothes and purses" type (recreational money) but money for living (bills, food etc). More girls are coming to this instrustry.
    So, we have increased number of girls and decreased money flow in the clubs (both middle class economy related). Which makes competition harder, hustle harder, and more extras going on.

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