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    Default So what exactly happened to the industry since the 90s?

    When I started going to strip clubs in the 90s, they were often FULL. I remember it being so hard to get female attention then (of course being younger and having less money didn’t help either). But now, many exotic dancers complain that it is becoming very hard to make money anymore. I have become friends with some dancers and they are always bemoaning their finances- back in the 90s they bragged about how much they made and I don’t hear nearly as much of that now. I have noticed myself that many clubs have closed and that the number of clubs seems to keep shrinking. And the number of customers in clubs is less too. I know we’ve had recessions, but it seems like the club scene never recovered. Any inputs as to why the decline? I doubt a bunch of men suddenly “found Jesus”. Are men really making so much less money than they used to? I personally make a lot MORE than I did in the 90s, but it seems that perhaps this is not the norm.

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    Default Re: So what exactly happened to the industry since the 90s?

    Free porn, camsites and the hookup culture all contribute.

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    Default Re: So what exactly happened to the industry since the 90s?

    The internet happened? - massive increase in porn, made it easier to find escorts, cam girls, made it easier for women to get together and protest, which added to political pressure, change in legislations, local council crackdowns. Clubs started getting shut down. At the same time, massive increase in number of women dancing, stripping became more socialably acceptable, number of songs referrring to stripper increased massively, meaning more girls wanted to do it, leading to more completion between dancers, affecting prices. Travelling and seeing the world seemed to become more popular, stripping being the best job to travel with, gives you good launchpad money and every country has strip clubs?
    Big increase in cost of living, student debts, real estate prices, meaning more women saw stripping as worth doing or necessary. City centre real estate values increased affecting clubs and apartment prices. And a few strippers I know, they do it cos they love pole dancing, in the 90s pole dancing wasnt a big a thing as it is today, its a much more popular hobby or profession.
    All the strippers I know are also complaining about money, they are mainly Eastern European. Its much easier for Eastern European women to come over, leading to more competition. And the girls who are not from Eastern Europe have them to compete with. So basically what Im saying is, the increase in mobility of labour seemed to have something to do with it too.
    And possibly as a minor point, more women entered office jobs, meaning less office parties being held in strip clubs.

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    Default Re: So what exactly happened to the industry since the 90s?

    I wonder this all the time

    I mean, sure the drinks are expensive, but its a bar with naked women, I fail to see the downside. If you drink beer, you can generally not blow your budget drinking, and if you are not getting lots of private dances you are really not spending a fortune.

    I think that the more profitable options for women who would consider dancing has led to a smaller workforce where I am at[the burbs]

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    If the Internet was a root cause, then the number of clubs would have been shrinking from 2002-2008, when high speed Internet became widely available across the country. Instead the number of clubs expanded by a lot during that time. Also, cam girls would be making more than they did back in the earlier days, but that's not the case either.

    IMHO the single biggest cause was the recession and following extended period of economic malaise during a meager "recovery." There were simply too many clubs for the new economic reality that plagued us until just the last year or so and many areas still have not recovered as well or as evenly as others. A lot of people dropped out of the workforce during that period, which certainly didn't help matters.

    Population shifts are also hurting clubs in the northeast and other northern areas. CT, NJ and MI are three examples of states that are losing affluent residents to places like TX and FL and I'm sure there are others. With that migration goes dollars that were spent in clubs in those areas.

    Where I now live, which is the beneficiary of both positive migration and a booming economy, the clubs are flourishing and we've even had two new ones open in the last few years. This tells me all I need to know about the ongoing viability of strip clubs, which is that they will likely continue to see demand in places where the conditions are good.

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    It's not all doom and gloom.
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    I’m sure people have less disposable income in general now, and that probably plays into it. I just did one of those inflation calculators, took my hourly wage at my vanilla job… between 2017 and 1992, there’s over an 80% disparity there.
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    Default Re: So what exactly happened to the industry since the 90s?

    For a customer... does it really matter? Ignore this website and go enjoy stripclubs again.

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    Default Re: So what exactly happened to the industry since the 90s?

    Maybe this is the problem, we are all on forums instead of going to the club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyanka View Post
    For a customer... does it really matter? Ignore this website and go enjoy stripclubs again.
    I agree, but there are a lot of crossover posters here from a customer site that has seen the number of listed clubs in the U.S. drop by about 20% since the height in 2008-2009. This has inevitably led the doom and gloom types to read the worst from it. Many of them also reside in areas where once good club scenes have turned bad (like MI) and erroneously conclude that this must be the same everywhere.

    As discussed above, IMHO economic challenges weeded out a lot of weak clubs from 2008-2016 and population migration has also hurt those in some areas. To add, there are also political and societal changes which are causing headwinds. As we all know, local governments in many areas are zoning out clubs and/or preventing new clubs from opening to replace those that close. For example, it is almost impossible to open up a new club in NY or any of the New England states, so when one closes for whatever reason, it does not get replaced.

    But with all that said, until something else pops up which serves as a viable replacement for the strip club experience, including in person interactions with hot dancers, I believe that they will always have a certain level of demand. I also believe that new clubs will continue to open up in more club-friendly areas of the country.

    Anyway, just my fwiw.
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    Default Re: So what exactly happened to the industry since the 90s?

    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    I agree, but there are a lot of crossover posters here from a customer site that has seen the number of listed clubs in the U.S. drop by about 20% since the height in 2008-2009. This has inevitably led the doom and gloom types to read the worst from it. Many of them also reside in areas where once good club scenes have turned bad (like MI) and erroneously conclude that this must be the same everywhere.
    If you're referring to Tuscl, I think their definition of a "good club scene" is a bit different from ours

    OP, my take is that it's a cultural shift. My bread & butter, for example, are white guys age 40+. They are gradually aging out of going to clubs and being replaced by young guys who are largely broke & believe (due to the cultural shift) that clubs are a place to hang out & party but not buy dances at. Their egos are massive & they don't wanna pay for it Them hanging out in big groups and getting loud & drunk often turns off the remaining older customers who actually have money.

    Also, too many girls is a huge issue. The stigma of being a stripper has greatly decreased so there's more competition. The pie is being sliced too many ways & managers often allow it to happen because they still make more money... If $10k in customer dollars gets divided among 10 girls, they only collect 10 house fees... They're perfectly happy to divide it among 25 girls who all make a lot less money now, but the club makes a shitload more off 25 house fees.
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    I visit clubs primarily in two cities...West Palm Beach and Las Vegas....and really don’t see much difference over the years. Spearmint Rhino in Vegas still crowded, with maybe more girls now than before. And my local,club at home in Palm Beach , Rachel’s, still has a busy winter season and a slow summer season with gorgeous ladies all year...great steaks too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selina M View Post
    If you're referring to Tuscl, I think their definition of a "good club scene" is a bit different from ours

    OP, my take is that it's a cultural shift. My bread & butter, for example, are white guys age 40+. They are gradually aging out of going to clubs and being replaced by young guys who are largely broke & believe (due to the cultural shift) that clubs are a place to hang out & party but not buy dances at. Their egos are massive & they don't wanna pay for it Them hanging out in big groups and getting loud & drunk often turns off the remaining older customers who actually have money.

    Also, too many girls is a huge issue. The stigma of being a stripper has greatly decreased so there's more competition. The pie is being sliced too many ways & managers often allow it to happen because they still make more money... If $10k in customer dollars gets divided among 10 girls, they only collect 10 house fees... They're perfectly happy to divide it among 25 girls who all make a lot less money now, but the club makes a shitload more off 25 house fees.
    Im a 46 years old man who goes to clubs by myself and I agree that men like me are probably your largest customer base. I went to Trophy in Greenville Tuesday. My favorite wasnt there but I still managed to part with over $300 on three girls. I had a great time and was actually glad of the low level of competition because the girls ignored the rowdy table behind me and mainly focused on me! I dont mind paying for a good time! You cant take it with you...money is just paper until its spent! But yeah, loud losers do turn me off and make me want to leave a club, but I try to just ignore those...they are only legends in their own minds, trust me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SnuffleUffleGrass View Post
    It's not all doom and gloom.
    It is for me. hahaha I've been in a permanent burnout. A Club I found that isn't well advertised very recently there is actually money and people butttttttt UGHHHHH I'd have to cart my ass around and work for it. It gets very busy at night with both stage and dances. Holidays messed it up lately. I hate how lazy I've gotten. I have been daydreaming of having some accident and being on disability forever and just laying on the couch or being a stay at home mom for some man without the whole child part. I want a break from any type of job without winding up homeless !!!!

    Sams Hofbrau has the same layout as this club. It turns into a stage money club and you make it mostly off of pole tricks and floor work not dances.. One lady who was driving me home in an uber said she used to or still does (forgot) makes dancer outfits. She said at that club a girl she knows makes 2k in 3 days and it is her only job. She spends the rest of the week at home. But I have no ass or else I would look like a fool at Sams.
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    There was this weird period where clubs were going to go mainstream but don't these things sort of go in cycles? We live in a time when some porn stars seem to have very little stigma, and now, in the US, the hater crowd is going after escorts hard for no real reason. SWs are organizing and fighting the "trafficking" nonsense, and demanding that they be heard. It's almost like clubs need to go through a renaissance, but you can't rush a renaissance.
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    I entered the business six years ago. Obviously, I don't know what the business was like in the 90s. I'm thankful for what it's done for me because it beats working at Starbucks with a graduate degree, and that is what "the best country in the world" has become. I've gotten spoiled with the money I make, though I've never made huge amounts when tallied as cumulative income for the year. I've also become super protective over my income and anything that may be of detriment. I genuinely wish porn would all become illegal bc I think it does ruin the biz. Men feel entitled to jerk off to free porn. Men feel entitled to film a girl for free at a strip club, whose management are not only negligent in protecting her image that is her property right bc it's literally her main source of income but also complicit in letting the customers leave with a virtual souvenir in their iphone's icloud or delete folder in exchange for spending huge sums for vip where the club gets the majority of the money. Men feel entitled to brutally sexually assault without recourse-that is, if they've got the money and resources to get away with it, and oh yeah, they're white. I'm flabbergasted with men who expect (and push without backing down) hook ups off these dating sites without offering a meaningful connection in return, so much that I just. quit. them. In sum, there is too much entitlement in our culture. I've listed examples of male entitlement, but there is female entitlement that is just as prevalent. Entitlement and narcissism is part of the national ethos. That, plus, I'm guessing good jobs are hard to find such that we'll be a third world nation in no time, so everyone is more stingy than otherwise bc they are broke af, which results in less quality customers and more women entering this line of work to which they are not totally suited (like me) bc it's literally the best thing that they can find.

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    I will be honest. Strip clubs of today have an urban rap/hip-hop vibe that doesn't appeal as much like the classic rock and 90's rock era of stripclubs. While rap/hip-hop has served places like Atlanta, Dallas, Houston, Detroit and Miami very well, it has decimated strip clubs in clubs without a large black population. Where once numerous strip clubs thrived in metropolitan area, now only one or two clubs make any kind of serious money while the rest exists as dive clubs.

    Also the obesity trend of the last few decades has loosened weight standards. In the 90's particularly, you knew that when you went to a strip club, you knew for certain that you were going to see a lot of hot women. The effect the Internet has had is minimal. Men go to touch and feel the merchandise, not just simply watch it.

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    Clubs from the 90's had differences in many ways. Mentioned right above is no music controls. DJ's used to have guidelines for what and when to play certain music or not to play at all. If your target market is the Urban Market sure fire play all the rap and hiphop you want. However twerking and having a room full of girls who have the Nikki Minaj look is not appealing to everyone.

    90's also had definite variants in styles of club. If you went into a dive then your going to see the off the rack outfits, and no care put in by the dancers for they appeal to the off the street dive bar mentality of a naked or skimpy walmart lingerie type look.

    Mid tier and above, girls had more pride in their look and brands. They always had their hair done, wore sexy dresses or gowns, and not always because a club said wear this or that, but because they wanted to present themselves better. Money went where the class was. You want suits and money to spend, you present that look that impresses that level of guest in the club.

    Entertainers, because they were Entertainers worked more than 2 hours and showed up on a regular basis. Now the i work when i want for as long as i want attitude caters to all the posts of how come i went to work for an hour and only made 60$

    The Entertainers of the 90s worked longer and earned more, but also entertained. There was very little of the im pretty make it rain on me so i can go back home attitude then. Those that had that didnt last long.

    Whenever the Im pretty just hand me hundreds on stage idea come to monopolize clubs, its when clubs lost guests and the girls simply went to other clubs where they were allowed to keep that mindset.

    Clubs on the other hand ended up closing down because not all Entertainers see what it actually costs to provide a safe clean and running club for them to come perform at.

    Ive seen posts about high tipouts, fines and house fees. And then the clubs make all the money they need off sales.

    In one aspect I agree and the entertainer is correct, but the other nine aspects they are totally wrong.

    House fees and tipouts should be kept to a minimum that is based on the locale standard of living costs and that is where the agreement stops.

    Where it is seen that a beer is $5 and a cocktail is $8 and champagne is lets say $250 at the extreme low. Not all that goes into the till as profit.

    The 90s had a style and class all its own, and those clubs and entertainers who were brought up in that upper tier style still make incredible money today. Those clubs and entertainers who work with the show up when you want and leave when you want and maybe the doors will be open tomorrow attitudes, are the examples of how clubs fail and entertainers who make the bare minimums.

    Prime example of the great property under the Urban Royalty that took themselves for granted. Look up King of Diamonds in Miami, as now its a bare shell and everyone went bankrupt

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    I think you'd still enjoy a few Manhattan clubs, Omega! All clubs evolve, but I believe many elements you miss are still present in some clubs here

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    Quote Originally Posted by honestabe View Post
    I will be honest. Strip clubs of today have an urban rap/hip-hop vibe that doesn't appeal as much like the classic rock and 90's rock era of stripclubs. While rap/hip-hop has served places like Atlanta, Dallas, Houston, Detroit and Miami very well, it has decimated strip clubs in clubs without a large black population. Where once numerous strip clubs thrived in metropolitan area, now only one or two clubs make any kind of serious money while the rest exists as dive clubs.

    Also the obesity trend of the last few decades has loosened weight standards. In the 90's particularly, you knew that when you went to a strip club, you knew for certain that you were going to see a lot of hot women. The effect the Internet has had is minimal. Men go to touch and feel the merchandise, not just simply watch it.
    Lol. Look harder. There are clubs that do not hire obese women! Also, you can either tip the DJ well to play some stuff you like or go to one of these clubs that have pandora in their vip room.

    I agree that clubs should mix up different types of music, instead of the mainstream pop/trap garbage only most clubs play. Ugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyanka View Post
    Lol. Look harder. There are clubs that do not hire obese women! Also, you can either tip the DJ well to play some stuff you like or go to one of these clubs that have pandora in their vip room.

    I agree that clubs should mix up different types of music, instead of the mainstream pop/trap garbage only most clubs play. Ugh.
    My post was not about finding a club I like. Instead I gave my opinion as to why the industry isn't as robust as it was in the '90s. Personally I no problem finding a club I like, and strip club music is pretty much background noise to me, so rap music (or any other genre, even though I absolutely detest electronica) doesn't deter me from visit a strip club. It's just not a draw. With that being said, I still maintain that rap/hip-hop music doesn't have as large of an appeal as 90's rock did twenty years ago. Nor does twerking, booty pops and other tricks in the arsenal of urban stripper tricks as much as personality, conversation and outfits.

    Furthermore, there's the element of "White Flight" in play. Just look at what happens when white people feel that a place has become "ghetto". Be it a regular nightclub, neighborhood, mall, school, or anything else. Do you really think a stripclub would be an exception to this rule?

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