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    No, try Craigslist. There's people searching for a roommate that already live in luxury homes.

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    I've also been contemplating buying property as of late too. Where I currently am, you can find condos for 35-80k. Granted, the ones on the lower end of the price spectrum will be in crime-infested areas, where one can catch a stray bullet coming in through their apartment walls (story that I actually read about a complex of a condo I saw advertised for 37k). But I'm still deliberating, bc even if I do end up moving out of whatever I buy, hopefully the property will gain enough equity for me to reap a little profit from the purchase, while also having a place to live.

    A family member told me about this website to find cheap property: auction.com/. It doesn't look as though there are any condos, at least for my area, but maybe there will be for yours. I've considered looking into foreclosed, bank-owned and/or auction properties. I'm also skimming craigslist.


    If you buy a condo with an extra bedroom or if it's vacant if you're travel-dancing, you can always do Airbnb for extra income if your city laws allow. Some ppl have that as a side hustle. And in places that are touristy but the demand for housing among locals is at bay such that local laws don't make the practice illegal, I don't see why not have that as a side hustle to help pay off the mortgage quicker.

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    An important question to ask yourself IF you really are considering home buying is- are you really willing to do all the upkeep/investing/time spent on repairing the house and maintaining its value?

    This might be more important than actually being able to qualify for a loan. I don't want to go off on a tangent but in my lifetime I've known TOO MANY people who don't factor in costs like plumbing repair, improvements, etc. Even if you do a lot of the work yourself it will still be costly, both time and money wise.


    Especially if you have kids or other expensive obligations...Home ownership might not be for you.

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    Or you could just end up being a slum lord.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yaya_cash View Post
    Or you could just end up being a slum lord.
    Happens more than you think lol

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    Im looking to buy a condo this year as well. I figured a condo is cheaper so most likely I will be able to pay it off faster which will have me sleep easier at night. Once paid off I can then proceed to buy a home.

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    Im looking to buy a condo this year as well. I figured a condo is cheaper so most likely I will be able to pay it off faster which will have me sleep easier at night. Once paid off I can then proceed to buy a home.
    Historically, a condo has not appreciated as much as a single (or two) family home, but there can be less headaches if it is managed and reserved well. Lawn care, snow plowing etc. The danger is if there is a sudden assessment for new roofs, or septic systems, etc. same as home ownership, but investigate carefully - How old is it, do they have reserves funds. (I.e. does any of the condo fee go to a rainy day fund to cover these repairs.) Unfortunately you likely can't do yourself like it it was your home. Paint the building, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CFMNH44 View Post
    Historically, a condo has not appreciated as much as a single (or two) family home, but there can be less headaches if it is managed and reserved well. Lawn care, snow plowing etc. The danger is if there is a sudden assessment for new roofs, or septic systems, etc. same as home ownership, but investigate carefully - How old is it, do they have reserves funds. (I.e. does any of the condo fee go to a rainy day fund to cover these repairs.) Unfortunately you likely can't do yourself like it it was your home. Paint the building, etc.
    The reason I find a condo more attractive is bc as a single person, I don't need the space of a house all to myself. I don't understand people who are childless and unpartnered who feel the need for a three bedroom house.

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    The reason I find a condo more attractive is bc as a single person, I don't need the space of a house all to myself. I don't understand people who are childless and unpartnered who feel the need for a three bedroom house.
    Good Logic! The other thing about a mortgage payment is that it is 'forced savings' - you need to make that payment every month, and can't say oh, maybe I'll skip saving a couple months and take a cruise.
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    Houses are expensive, Condos can be more so because you are in what amounts to a partnership to maintain the exterior and grounds of your place and everyone else's in the development. No matter what you buy, limit your payment to no more than 25% of your dependable take home pay. (That is don't count overtime, or big weeks. Just your regular time.) The payment should include your principal, interest, taxes and HOA dues. I personally don't like HOAs because when the developer loses control costs tend to spiral upward. On your financing, make the loan as short as possible and stay within your 25% target. Fifteen years is best. It's not a bad thing to have a home equity line of credit (HELOC) in case things go wrong. But, don't borrow on your HELOC unless absolutely necessary. Live beneath your means and invest. Get wealthy.

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    An important question to ask yourself IF you really are considering home buying is- are you really willing to do all the upkeep/investing/time spent on repairing the house and maintaining its value?

    This might be more important than actually being able to qualify for a loan. I don't want to go off on a tangent but in my lifetime I've known TOO MANY people who don't factor in costs like plumbing repair, improvements, etc. Even if you do a lot of the work yourself it will still be costly, both time and money wise.


    Especially if you have kids or other expensive obligations...Home ownership might not be for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VanessaMNYC View Post
    Im looking to buy a condo this year as well. I figured a condo is cheaper so most likely I will be able to pay it off faster which will have me sleep easier at night. Once paid off I can then proceed to buy a home.
    best of luck!! yeah, I want a condo. Hardest part for me is getting a loan. Considering I have not 1 tax return. Well, I can file in a week or so. I have a realtor who is trying to work with me. We'll see. I'm partially super scared, wondering if I should wait, but I also found a place I really like. Shmurrr. I shall update lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zofia View Post
    Houses are expensive, Condos can be more so because you are in what amounts to a partnership to maintain the exterior and grounds of your place and everyone else's in the development. No matter what you buy, limit your payment to no more than 25% of your dependable take home pay. (That is don't count overtime, or big weeks. Just your regular time.) The payment should include your principal, interest, taxes and HOA dues. I personally don't like HOAs because when the developer loses control costs tend to spiral upward. On your financing, make the loan as short as possible and stay within your 25% target. Fifteen years is best. It's not a bad thing to have a home equity line of credit (HELOC) in case things go wrong. But, don't borrow on your HELOC unless absolutely necessary. Live beneath your means and invest. Get wealthy.

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    Suze Orman outlines why home ownership is not for everyone in this online article-

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/pers...cid=spartandhp


    Aside from the obvious problem of getting bogged down in a home ownership situation that keeps you from chasing opportunities, it's cringe worthy to see a home owner putting up with horrible situations they cannot or will not fix due to money issues (leaky roof, busted plumbing, hellish looking landscaping, etc.)


    Your neighbors will also complain or comp the HOA to do it for them....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ladycaxe View Post
    Hey do y'all think buying a home/condo/apartment whatever is a good purchase?
    i.e I found a decent studio condo for ~$70,000. monthly my rent would be lower then it is now, and better amenities.
    I could also rent it out 2 sum 1 as an option.

    Do any of u guys have experience with owning a home?

    I'm positive that, I cant strip 4ever, one day not gonna be able to pay $$$$ out the Arse in rent, so might as well have a property to lean on..?
    I'm in the home improvement business as a self employed individual and also had a brief stint in real estate. Been inside 2-300 homes from super rich NBA athletes to actually really nice trailer parks/mobile homes.

    Should you buy or rent is a choice that is solely up to the individual. It's not a clear cut black and white answer. To do well in real estate you have to keep your emotions out of it and sit down and DO THE MATH.

    You say if you buy you will pay less then renting but are you really? There are a lot of cost that go into being a homeowner that people just don't seem to think about, or know about. You have property taxes, insurance, closing cost, maintenance, HOA fees, as well as the interest of the mortgage itself that over 20-30 years you wind up paying a significant chunk of money. Generally speaking though, in areas where is very expensive it's better to rent and in less expensive locations you're better off buying.

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    That said, if you do decide to buy I would recommend the following tips:

    • I wouldn't buy new construction (it is crap!) or anything older then 1920s as really old homes are money pits. The 1960s was the best decade.

    • I wouldn't buy any property that has homeowners association fees. They go up every year and can get very expensive. In some places the homeowners association can be a down right pain in the #@@.

    • Buy in good neighborhoods even if the property needs some work. It's better to buy the worse house in the best neighborhood then the other way around.

    • I wouldn't buy in areas that have high property taxes. They go up every year and I know people who even though their house is paid off they still pay a high property tax bill that is as much as rent.

    • Be sure to hire your own property inspector. The foundation of a property is the most critical. Check for mold as well as asbestos. You want the structure of the house to be solid.

    • Buy something that you can manage and do some repairs yourself. People seem to buy the biggest house they get approved for then later down the line they're struggling to maintain a large house that cost 30k for a new roof or just $500-1500 just to clean all the windows.

    • Don't buy on impulse or because you feel pressure from society to "be on your own" or because some realtor told you. In real estate so many people make money off homebuyers that they will always say it's a good time to buy. They are motivated by commissions.
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    The house I live in borders a HOA development, and they tried both to get the previous owners and me to join their association. Their latest ploy... apparently, part of my back fence goes three inches past the property line of one of the HOA houses, so they tried telling me I HAVE to join their HOA now. I told them I'll HAVE to file a trespassing complaint with the police and possibly for a restraining order if they come onto this property again. The people on the other side of the development get it, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luckyguy09 View Post
    I'm in the home improvement business as a self employed individual and also had a brief stint in real estate. Been inside 2-300 homes from super rich NBA athletes to actually really nice trailer parks/mobile homes.

    Should you buy or rent is a choice that is solely up to the individual. It's not a clear cut black and white answer. To do well in real estate you have to keep your emotions out of it and sit down and DO THE MATH.

    You say if you buy you will pay less then renting but are you really? There are a lot of cost that go into being a homeowner that people just don't seem to think about, or know about. You have property taxes, insurance, closing cost, maintenance, HOA fees, as well as the interest of the mortgage itself that over 20-30 years you wind up paying a significant chunk of money. Generally speaking though, in areas where is very expensive it's better to rent and in less expensive locations you're better off buying.




    That said, if you do decide to buy I would recommend the following tips:

    • I wouldn't buy any property that has homeowners association fees. They go up every year and can get very expensive. In some places the homeowners association can be a down right pain in the #@@.

    • Buy in good neighborhoods even if the property needs some work. It's better to buy the worse house in the best neighborhood then the other way around.

    • I wouldn't buy in areas that have high property taxes. They go up every year and I know people who even though their house is paid off they still pay a high property tax bill that is as much as rent.

    • Don't buy on impulse or because you feel pressure from society to "be on your own" or because some realtor told you. In real estate so many people make money off you that they will always say it's a good time to buy. They are motivated by commissions or they're trying to sell you something.


    Definitely avoid HOAs. We dealt with one where the richest/craziest member was manipulating everyone in it to bully people he didn't like.


    My personal advice- if you're brave enough buy "the best house on the shabbiest up and coming block."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeroSugarMonster View Post
    The reason I find a condo more attractive is bc as a single person, I don't need the space of a house all to myself. I don't understand people who are childless and unpartnered who feel the need for a three bedroom house.
    They may not want to be in a 3 bedroom house either but in America there are little other viable housing options for single people due to the way the housing in this country has been constructed.

    In America, most of the housing has been built up to house families because that's just where the growth was for the past 60+ years and also because building large homes brings in the most revenue.

    But this is the first time in American history where you have whole generations of single people who are opting out of haveing a traditional family or they simply can't afford having a family but they still need a place to live however the government doesn't care or do anything about it.

    In fact, the government makes affordability of housing for Americans worse because they allow rich foreigners to buy our real estate that only further drives up the housing cost for Americans. Funny how there is no affordable housing for Americans but there is plenty of room for millions of Americans in a prison cell. We continue and constantly build prisons but no adult dorms or single individual places to live for this new generation of young people who have no upward mobility but still need a place to live.

    This government doesn't care about us. The American government will let an American sleep on the street if it means they can sell overpriced real estate to a rich foreigner.

    In America, regardless if you can afford a house or not it's best to live unconventionally for as long as possible to save money and HAVE A LIFE! Rent a room, in warm states live on a docked boat, live with relatives who you get along with, buy a nice RV and live in a RV park year around. Hell, a young couple I know are converting a school bus into a place to live. They just got sick of all the bills and property tax. The government hates people who live unconventionally because they can't collect any property tax.
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    Thank you thank you thank you! All of your advice in this thread is GOLDEN. Nobody wants to talk about houses as the real money pits they are. Sure your mortgage may be lower than rent, but what about the maintenance of the property that costs you FOREVER? Avoid HOA’s, I’m currently living in half million dollar home where the HOA keeps fining all of us in the community for petty things, like the palm trees leaves growing over a wall and, recently, fining for not painting small water pipes for not matching the color of the house. And they didn’t even replace the dog parks baggies for over 6 months!
    You also need to factor in property taxes that you’ll pay forever. Here its about $5k per year and it goes UP. Don’t forget you’ll need to pay your landscaper monthly, pool people(if you have one), pest control, water filter, air filter, and if anything breaks, like your HVAC, can cost you upwards of $5k and more (DON’T do homewarranty companies as they only replace parts for $70 per visit and give you a 5 hours window IF they arrive on time, wasting your valuable time). Then of course you have your basic bills: Water, Garbage, Electricity, Home security, Internet, etc. Oh and the taxes you pay. Say for example, you get a 15 year mortagage home loan for $100k for a $200k home, i think you end up paying about $40-50k in interest. So that house is really costing you $240-250k, on top of the 20% down payment, inspection fee, agent fees and god know other fees. And if youre single with zero plans to partner up and/or have kids, a 3 bedroom house is an awful lot of space to maintain and spend extra $ on. I’m learning so much from living in a house this big it’s just not worth it. I rather invest in something else. There just aren’t any homes for singles, just set up for big families. I really hope the minimalist housing trend picks up so that some of us that embraced single life can buy sensible property.

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    They may not want to be in a 3 bedroom house either but in America there are little other viable housing options for single people due to the way the housing in this country has been constructed.

    In America, most of the housing has been built up to house families because that's just where the growth was for the past 60+ years and also because building large homes brings in the most revenue.

    But this is the first time in American history where you have whole generations of single people who are opting out of haveing a traditional family or they simply can't afford having a family but they still need a place to live however the government doesn't care or do anything about it.

    In fact, the government makes affordability of housing for Americans worse because they allow rich foreigners to buy our real estate that only further drives up the housing cost for Americans. Funny how there is no affordable housing for Americans but there is plenty of room for millions of Americans in a prison cell. We continue and constantly build prisons but no adult dorms or single individual places to live for this new generation of young people who have no upward mobility but still need a place to live.

    This government doesn't care about us. The American government will let an American sleep on the street if it means they can sell overpriced real estate to a rich foreigner.

    In America, regardless if you can afford a house or not it's best to live unconventionally for as long as possible to save money and HAVE A LIFE! Rent a room, in warm states live on a docked boat, live with relatives who you get along with, buy a nice RV and live in a RV park year around. Hell, a young couple I know are converting a school bus into a place to live. They just got sick of all the bills and property tax. The government hates people who live unconventionally because they can't collect any property tax.
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    Renting and owning a home don't have the same responsibilities.

    I don't get why people make this comparison all the time.

    Renting, you pay about under $50 for tentant insurance to protect your contents, the items you bring into the unit that you hope don't burn up in a fire or walk away from some robbery.

    Something i broken, you call a landlard or make a request with the management office.

    Rent goes up depending on your lease agreement, and if you are market rent, I am paying $877.72 . one bedroom right now in my city is about $2,500 ! yes it would be a nicer building with more building ammenitieis

    but single living alone, and if I have to pay also eletricity still won't be more then about $100 a month or less. typically less because its just me in the damn place I know when a light is on or if the water is running.

    then of course pets situation I am done having cats they cost me too much and their fur never goes away.

    House, you have to fix everything in the house, you can't call anyone to come nad fix it unless you are paying them. When my floor popped up cause of water damanage they just came in fixed it. I didn't get the bill.

    pipes burst this year again they fixed it.

    pest control they handle it.

    The whole owning a home you got a mortgage so the bank handles that, raises it rates whenever, then you magically pay off that mortgage, then you got proptery taxes, but anything breaks you gotta fix it and pay for it. don't fix things , don't keep your lawn clean, the city comes in and tells you what to do.
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    Whether to rent or to buy a home in which you live is a significant decision. It doesn't just affect how much money you have left at the end of the month; it also affects your daily lifestyle and the amount of the savings you accumulate over the entire years. Every day, people buy homes when financially they would be better off renting because it's essential to them to have a home to put down roots and because they see buying a home as an investment that can increase and also as a source of tax deductions. In other case, people rent all the time for the minimal responsibility and flexibility it offers, even though they would amass a more substantial net worth over time if they bought a place.
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