This is a level of cheap with which I was heretofore unacquainted:
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Also some empathy for the waiter at Chili's - taking care of this douche and then getting a $1 tip.





This is a level of cheap with which I was heretofore unacquainted:
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Also some empathy for the waiter at Chili's - taking care of this douche and then getting a $1 tip.
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Yeah, so with someone that trashy, it definitely shows in their profile and definitely when you start texting through the app. Would love to know what she was thinking when she agreed to go out in the first place.
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I would have sent him a picture of my middle finger and then blocked him. What a disgusting piece of trash! This is why I'm going back to vanilla work and why I'm happy that I'm married. So happy that I don't have to date trash like that. She was waaay to kind to him. I literally get off on cursing out losers, saving the screenshots and sharing the experience with my friends. My petty ass would have made him cry lmao





The thing is most experienced dancers can smell a cheap asshole from a mile away.....
I would never agree to go on a date with a rude and cheap as fuck asshole.
Those dudes need to learn respect and HOW TO BE A FUCKING MAN.




Serious question: Feminists are now pushing for full equality and abolition of gender roles and gaining massive mainstream acceptance of this idea. Is there any reason for a man to pay for a date?





I think it matters who invites whom, what the expectations are, and is a bit more nuanced than 50-50 or any number. And to take this into space a little bit - many feminists are NOT pushing for the full abolition of all gender roles, and there is a lot of debate surrounding feminism and the trans community.
This case I think is more about his obvious expectations, his rudeness over $24, his bad tip, his petty and stupid responses, and so much more.
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Did I miss where feminists have devised a way for men to give birth and breastfeed babies?
All joking aside, until that happens, gender dynamics will be alive and well in some form. There are still a lot of stay-at-home moms out there, especially with kids who are not yet school age, and yet more who only work part-time. Also, just a few years ago, a Pew study was done which concluded that a majority of Americans still believe that having one parent at home for young children is important, which is usually (though not always) the mother.
So yes, old fashioned notions like courtship and earning ability still matter, especially for families who wish to have more than one child. Life is infinitely harder for a mother when her SO cannot bridge the gap during pregnancy and early child care years. Sure relationship dynamics and expectations placed upon women have definitely changed over the decades, but traditional notions of men being able to shoulder the load when needed are alive and well.
So yes, if you want to show a good woman that you'll be able to hold up your end if she decides to marry you and give you children, then you'd better be prepared to prove it by properly courting her.
That lady was too nice. I wouldn't have even bothered sending him his measly $24 back. His number would've been blocked after he started talking that nonsense.





I can't believe she entertained the idea of a second date after he left a $1 tip? That's a red flag.









Whatever individual feminists may choose to think, the mainstream of feminism (e.g. National Organization of Women) has been opposing gender roles since at least the early 1970s. Actress Emma Watson's famous speech before the UN General Assembly (2014) called for ending traditional gender expectations. Feminist leaders (note: leaders) have also been promoting total equality in the workforce, i.e. equal representation of men and women in the workforce at all levels of pay and responsibility. Not just giving women a choice, but actually having women in the workplace in equal numbers to men. Recently, bestselling books have been published and promoted on major TV networks which oppose gender differences. The OECD (not just feminists, the OECD) recently released a study which classed housewives as "inactive" and a useless drain on the economy.
The idea has been in the air for a decade now.
I realise my question isn't directly relevant to this particular case. He asked her on a date, chose to pay the costs, with no obligations on the woman for anything, including another date. He's not a feminist. A feminist would have refused to pay in the first place.This case I think is more about his obvious expectations, his rudeness over $24, his bad tip, his petty and stupid responses, and so much more.
No, but women can choose not to do it. Besides that, feminists want society to make comprehensive, special arrangements inside and outside of the workplace to compensate for pregnancies and child care. Not just "radical" feminists with purple hair but leading, mainstream feminists and public officials.
The OECD begs to differ: " “One of the areas of greatest untapped potential in the Australian labour force is inactive and/or part-time working women, especially those with children,’’ concluded the landmark study. “There are potentially large losses to the economy when women stay at home or work short part-time hours.’’ "All joking aside, until that happens, gender dynamics will be alive and well in some form. There are still a lot of stay-at-home moms out there, especially with kids who are not yet school age, and yet more who only work part-time. Also, just a few years ago, a Pew study was done which concluded that a majority of Americans still believe that having one parent at home for young children is important, which is usually (though not always) the mother.
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/re...qPwqSN9AII7XA4
The author of that news report goes even further:"Rather than wail about the supposed liberation in a woman’s right to choose to shun paid employment, we should make it a legal requirement that all parents of children of school-age or older are gainfully employed."
She also says this: "Only when the tiresome and completely unfounded claim that “feminism is about choice” is dead and buried (it’s not about choice, it’s about equality) will we consign restrictive gender stereotypes to history."
Yes it is, among the general population. But that attitude is beginning to change, due to messages being promoted in the mass media.So yes, old fashioned notions like courtship and earning ability still matter, especially for families who wish to have more than one child. Life is infinitely harder for a mother when her SO cannot bridge the gap during pregnancy and early child care years. Sure relationship dynamics and expectations placed upon women have definitely changed over the decades, but traditional notions of men being able to shoulder the load when needed are alive and well.
Women are being told they should contribute equally to their family household incomes. What then would be the point of men springing for dates?So yes, if you want to show a good woman that you'll be able to hold up your end if she decides to marry you and give you children, then you'd better be prepared to prove it by properly courting her.





That won't be an issue for me. This is exactly why I insist on paying my own way. This way, nobody can say I'm in any way beholden to them. Yes, you took your time, but I did the same, so we can call that a fair exchange. This also prevents anyone from thinking that $24 is going to get me to go home with them.
That does kinda highlight a problem I've been having, though. I'm always up for shooting pool - I'll shark the living shit out of someone. I think that leads people to believe that they don't have to put any thought or real effort into a date, and that just completely puts me off.
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I insist on paying for myself on first dates partly because hookup culture has gotten out of control, and I don't like anyone to ever think I owe them something. If I keep seeing someone, I think it is nice to take turns treating each other without keeping track.
The other partly is yes, I am feminist and part of that is recognizing that if women want to be treated as equals we need to act like it. But no sane person is calling for an end to ALL gender norms. Equality of opportunity and respect is not the same thing as a strict 50/50 representation in workplaces and etc.
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- The Court of Mist and Fury





Hopper, I guess I'll have to be grateful that the OECD, NOW and the other purported feminists are not making the parenting decisions for my family. On the flip side, I saw a piece the other day that shared a staunch belief, held by many, that all children should be raised to handle firearms at an early age, but I'm ignoring that opinion too.
If you want to latch on to beliefs held by particular self-interest groups in order to justify your own behavior then be my guest, but there are ample and varying opinions espoused by any number of groups on the topics of relationship dynamics, parental roles, child rearing, breast feeding, etc., et al. At the end of the day most people will use their own value system to wade through all of this and figure out what makes the most sense to them. Back when I was finally interested in settling down, I sought partners who shared my values in these areas and did not seriously consider those who did not. Simple.




I'm not sure if they are sane, but leading officials in Western countries have been publicly calling for strict 50/50 representation in workplaces for years now. They are blaming it on workplaces for not providing child-minding services, maternity leave and flexible hours etc. They are calling for workplaces to be fully restructured around female employees with children, because they think this will result in equal representation in the workplace.
The Jan 2-8, 2010 issue of the "The Economist" announced that women had reached 50% of the workforce and was dedicated to articles about women in the workplace. However, the articles all addressed the issue of why women weren't equally represented at all pay levels. They blamed it mostly on the fact that women were choosing to have children either instead of or as well as careers.
They probably don't want it to be mandatory though.
I'm only concerned about the ones making the laws, because they don't approve of my behaviour.If you want to latch on to beliefs held by particular self-interest groups in order to justify your own behavior then be my guest, but there are ample and varying opinions espoused by any number of groups on the topics of relationship dynamics, parental roles, child rearing, breast feeding, etc., et al.
It's not that simple when the government gets involved and this is what is being proposed. Workplaces aren't going to all restructure themselves voluntarily or at least without some incentive paid for with your money.At the end of the day most people will use their own value system to wade through all of this and figure out what makes the most sense to them. Back when I was finally interested in settling down, I sought partners who shared my values in these areas and did not seriously consider those who did not. Simple.
We are transitioning from traditional gender roles to no gender roles. Logically, men and women will not be interacting the way they once all did.



When I do date I have noticed the same thing, men our age not putting in effort anymore and their excuse is will this is the 21 century and gender equality etc etc. This thought process also puts me off becuase it shows to me they don’t understand the main reasons behind why many people, women & men are calling for gender equality.
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That's a very complicated discussion. I work in a very male dominant environment at my vanilla job, and I'm treated pretty well there, but there are guys who know me and who work with me just fine, and there are guys who've been hired well after me, and who avoid me like the plague. If you were to ask them, I suppose they'd probably site #metoo as the reason for that, and I find it kinda hard to blame them... even the ones who know me are pretty open in saying they'd prefer no other women start working in the field or in the shop in the wake of it. I fully support the push for gender equality, but many of them have a very skewed view of what equality is, and I really have no fondness for it when it gets to the point where it ceases to be about finding practical solutions to making it happen, but instead about virtue signaling and making as much of a zealot of yourself as you can to show how 'woke' you are. People can think of me whatever they may, but I'm among those who think that Gilette ad was a big, steaming pile of shit. But maybe I'm getting off-topic here.
I think the lack of imagination has less to do with snarkiness towards gender equality than it does about the culture of convenience. I had an upbringing where we didn't have the world at our fingertips, whereas the 'English' kids had all of that... the other kids may have spent their time watching Netflix, playing video games watching porn and weird Hentai shit on the Internet, and so forth. I wasn't doing any of that, I was either being taught to be the perfect little Mennonite housewife or I was doing farm labor.
So, here we are now. I'm among 'English' society as a Millenial, and Millenials are the tech age, where they're accustomed to spending long hours gaming or on the Internet, and that's where their sense of interpersonal interactions developed. So now we have these apps and they become hookup apps, and you post photos of yourself with Snapchat filters, etc., etc. At least the dancer from the club who's trying to fuck me or whatever she's trying to do seems to actually have a genuine interest in me beyond my fuckability.
Now it seems to be a format. Lame ass date mirroring all the lame ass dates my friends end up going on, and the pattern repeats. Or I get some guy who gets whiny and feels emasculated because I know more about car repair than he does or whatever. Or when they have a manbun, to boot. You can say I'm superficial or whatever, but I'm not gonna hear shit about it, seeing how superficial dating has become, but if my date has a manbun, he's already struck out before he utters the first word out of his mouth.
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Could you explain your thought here more please. Because im confused, i have been hearing and reading similar things how after the #metoo men are scared of women in the workplace? Like this is going to look bad on my part but i didnt really follow the metoo moment or read the things on twitter because i dont have twitter. But from my understanding it’s a cause about women coming forward about their sexual abuse or assault experience and letting other women know they’re not alone.
Why are men making me seem like women are now on the hunt for inncoent men to accuse them of rape and assault. Like are they afraid that a woman is going to come to their job and falsely claim that they raped her? I don’t understand why men are afraid after the #MeTo Moment.
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There is a whole academic field devoted to exactly that form of "insanity": Gender Studies. Here is a columnist with a major newspaper who studied this field at university and has made a career out of writing and speaking on it. She also has two bestselling books on the subject, meaning that a large section of the population may also be going "insane". She is frequently a guest on TV programs whenever "gender issues" are addressed.
https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/cle...05-gyb6r7.html
Here is a quote from that column which make her position clear: "Those of us in favour of dismantling the idea of a fixed binary are accused of "social engineering", as if there's anything more skilled at engineering society than the strict policing of gender. Still, calls to "just let boys be boys and girls be girls" increase in volume whenever individuals or organisations act proactively to broaden the range of expression for both."
Judith Butler is another "gender theorist" who believes that gender is entirely constructed by society. She is a professor at University of California, Berkeley, where, despite her unstable mental condition, she has been allowed to teach there since 1993. Her work has influenced political philosophy, ethics, and the fields of third-wave feminist, queer, and literary theory, which means that the insanity is spreading. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Butler
That depends on your definitions. To a feminist, they are the same thing. Feminists see the biological, child-bearing role of women to be an obstacle to their work opportunities. They believe that to give women equal opportunity in the workplace, workplaces must compensate for this biological "obstacle", so that women don't have to choose between one and the other.Equality of opportunity and respect is not the same thing as a strict 50/50 representation in workplaces and etc.
I agree that the idea that gender norms should be abolished is insane. But extreme dogmatism has the power to make insane ideas acceptable.




The thing is, gender roles ARE a social construct! There’s nothing wrong with recognizing and acknowledging that.
Lots of Western nations have laws in place these days that really do level the playing field (or attempt to anyway) with regard to women balancing parenting and a job. Including giving fathers equal amounts of parental leave.





If you want to get right down to it, I agree to a certain extent with Jared Diamond that all agricultural civilization is a social construct. Slavery, the pyramid society, the owning of things by force, sexual repression, etc etc is all new to humanity and it mostly sucks.
If we look at hunter-gatherer gender roles, though, they did exist. They were somewhat fluid, and individuals could transcend them without significant penalty, but most didn't.
Regardless we live here and now, and social roles have some weight by both negative and positive societal forces.
Still I think invoking academics to let off a cheap asshole would have Milton Friedman, Marija Gimbutas, and John Nash rolling in their graves. If you want to go after gender roles, get a better standard bearer, is my advice.
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A social construct based on biological reality. Hence they are actually sex roles, not gender roles.
The word "gender" originally only meant the sexual meaning in words in our language, e.g. he and she, brother and sister, bull and cow. It wasn't used to refer to the sex of an actual person.
Sexologist John Money (in 1955) began using "gender" to describe people when he introduced the distinction between biological sex and sex roles, which he changed to "gender roles". Feminists popularized this use of the word "gender" in the 1970s when they adopted Money's distinction. Before the 1970s, "gender" was usually only used to refer to grammar.
No wonder feminists want us to have gender neutral language. Taking sexes out of the language removes the very idea of the sexes itself.





The #MeToo Movement led to some good and open discussions of these issues, but there was also plenty of hysteria, buyer's remorse, opportunism, and other bad elements mixed in. Suddenly grown women who made conscious decisions to fuck some guy to get ahead became helpless victims who felt justified in throwing it out there. Whether it ultimately did more harm than good remains to be seen, but I know plenty of women, including my Mrs., who thought that it was a ridiculous exercise in victim mentality and more harmful than good for female empowerment.
As far as it relates to the workplace, the sad reality is that hostile work environment and sexual harassment claims have been weaponized for some time now. it is not uncommon, especially in places like the northeast and CA, for women to level such claims when they are being terminated for job performance issues, usually as a means to negotiate a better deal on the way out. HR Departments are risk averse by nature and accusations alone can be enough to ruin careers, especially in He said/She said situations where it is impossible for the guy to prove a negative. The hysteria surrounding #MeToo just made it a little bit worse. This is why many male supervisors nowadays take care not to be alone behind closed doors or in social situations with female subordinates.





Dude, huh? Which government agency or entity do you believe is mandating changes in gender roles? These are decisions that individuals make, not governments or even employers. And contrary to your beliefs, the tide has actually rolled back on this as more mothers are deciding - voluntarily - to stay home than was the case during the Gen X years. It actually started with the tail end of the Gen Ys and has extended to the Millennials.
Here's one article, but there are many more out there:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahla.../#688281d56a2b
You're getting too caught up in pre-supposed beliefs and extreme positions supported by fringe groups. Have you ever been to a NOW meeting? I experienced one in college and holy shit they were a wacky bunch. Maybe you're also looking for something to justify your less masculine posture in your dating and overall life, IDK, Do you live in a big urban area by chance? Because where I live, the traditional household model is quite alive and well.




I wasn't defending the cheapskate in the OP. He didn't ask for his money back because he didn't believe in gender roles, he did it because he didn't get what he wanted with it. As I said, a feminist man would never have offered to pay for the date in the first place.
Nor do I agree with the academics I mentioned. I only used them as examples of how their ideas are being popularized in the mainstream. I brought that up because it follows that men will probably stop being expected, or allowed, to pay for dates.
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