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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post

    The saddest part is that the owner and manager of the spa are still being charged, despite the fact that the video evidence will ultimately not be usable. I suspect that testimony from some of the Johns and all the condoms they found in the garbage are probably enough to get them for running a house of prostitution even without the video. But at least the individual sex workers are off the hook since they can't specifically prove which girl did what.
    kraft wasnít going to have real consequences even if convicted, that isnít the world we live in

    but thank you for acknowledging this part of the story. Vice squads just do a whole lot of damage

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamiliam View Post
    kraft wasn’t going to have real consequences even if convicted, that isn’t the world we live in

    but thank you for acknowledging this part of the story. Vice squads just do a whole lot of damage
    Agreed for the most part, except maybe for the consequences to Kraft. If he was actually convicted the NFL could have found a myriad of ways to screw with him under the morals clauses in the league franchise agreement.

    But what I don't understand is this never-ending attempt by some on here to frame this as a billionaire getting away with one. This was not a rich vs. poor tale, but rather a story of providers and Johns finally fighting arrogant and self-entitled LE and prosecutors who had become accustomed to abusing the Constitutional rights of regular people just because they could get away with it.

    Kraft is the "hero" in this story (if there can be such a thing), not the villain. By fighting this, he protected everyone, including the customers and a number of girls who were recorded. Prosecutors even seized the bank accounts of one of the women who serviced Kraft. That woman is now free and clear, without a record, and presumably has her accounts unfrozen.

    So as I said above, the good guys and gals won. I'm just sad that throwing out the video evidence wasn't enough to take the spa owner and manager, both women, out of the jackpot. But Kraft did a tremendous service not only to the girls who were caught on video providing consensual services, but countless women who will come after who will be safe from this type of LE abuse in FL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamiliam View Post
    kraft wasn’t going to have real consequences even if convicted, that isn’t the world we live in

    but thank you for acknowledging this part of the story. Vice squads just do a whole lot of damage

    Exactly. There is a “justice” system for the wealthy, and a “justice” system for everyone else.

    I guess the $60 hand job ended up costing him probably $90k+ with all the money going to the upper class lawyers

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    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    Exactly. There is a ďjusticeĒ system for the wealthy, and a ďjusticeĒ system for everyone else.

    I guess the $60 hand job ended up costing him probably $90k+ with all the money going to the upper class lawyers
    So instead let's give a criminal record to a bunch of girls, and condone illegal recordings by LE, just to be sure that we get the billionaire for paying for a handjob. That'll teach him.

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    Another recent prostitution sting.

    https://www.standard.net/police-fire...c56614819.html

    Apparently the laws against that sort of thing are quite strict there

    N if you get caught they post your picture up online

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    Prostitution: A Florida snapshot

    In October, Polk County once again made regional news with a big prostitution bust, some 277 johns and hookers arrested in an undercover sting named “Operation No Tricks, No Treats.” Such endeavors happen regularly in Polk under Sheriff Grady Judd.

    Judd’s jurisdiction’s, which encompasses some 420,000 people, is one of the more prolific enforcers of prostitution law in Florida. In 2016, according to Florida Department of Law Enforcement statistics, the Polk Sheriff’s office made 209 prostitution arrests. In Broward County, which has a population of 1.9 million, the county’s various police forces arrested only 219 people. Miami- Dade County police, who cover 1.2 million people, made 86 arrests. All of Hillsborough — 1.35 million people — chalked up just 181 arrests, mostly in Tampa, which accounted for 113 of them.

    Judd says Polk doesn’t have any more prostitutes per capita than Tampa or southeast Florida. “We have less. The overwhelming majority of people we arrest don’t come from this county. They come from other counties.”

    Indeed, if prostitution arrest statistics in Florida prove anything, it’s that enforcement is idiosyncratic.

    https://www.floridatrend.com/article...orida-snapshot

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    So instead let's give a criminal record to a bunch of girls, and condone illegal recordings by LE, just to be sure that we get the billionaire for paying for a handjob. That'll teach him.
    You have a valid point but no need for the sarcastic tone. Unless I'm seeing more of it than is really there?

    The real victims of so many of these cases (and of the recent SESTA/FOSTA bullshit) are the working women of the adult industry.

    Above all, we must retain respect for them.
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    DJ, I think you're picking up more genuine bewilderment than anything. Why would any adult entertainer ever be ok with police overreach relating to adult entertainers, whether a billionaire was caught up in the mix or not?

    I'm also going to respectfully disagree with the notion that this affects primarily providers. Whether it is surveillance to catch paid sexual services or cops pulling shit like following people out of strip club parking lots, we are all in the same boat. In police abuse situations like this, we should all be hoping for MORE billionaires to be caught and then to fight back, not less. Kraft has likely saved hundreds if not thousands of future providers from this type of surveillance. And if they could get away with it in massage parlors, what was going to be next? Hotel rooms where paid services were suspected? Maybe even in strip club CRs?

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    Wait til we all get locked down in interment camps

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    Quote Originally Posted by whirlerz View Post
    Wait til we all get locked down in interment camps
    Putting aside the very real slippery slope concerns that you are alluding to in a joking manner, which the Founding Fathers understood all too well and is the very reason why we have these important Constitutional protections in the first place...

    Does it take an internment camp to ruin an adult entertainer's hopes, dreams and aspirations or is a criminal record enough? Knowing the answer to this as we all do, why should any of us be ok with police giving an adult entertainer a criminal record under any circumstances, especially using illegal tactics?

    There are very few of us that haven't seen or heard about this in action and it goes far beyond escorts and massage parlors. On any given night, cops in a variety of areas are pulling shit like ticketing girls for ridiculous ordinance violations and giving them records in the process, following people out of strip club parking lots and running every plate parked in a strip club lot hoping to find a warrant hit or expired tag. Then of course there are those areas where raids in tactical gear and questionable searches are conducted. Then of course let's not forget the jurisdictions that routinely send undercover cops into clubs, some of whom use questionable techniques bordering on entrapment to get girls to agree to sex for money.

    The list goes on. Adult entertainers are sadly easy targets for police harassment and abuse because very few sympathize with them and they often don't have the resources to stand up for themselves. So they tend to roll over when mistreated by authorities because they feel vulnerable and exposed. Prosecutors, understanding this all too well, make it easy by offering them what seem like sweet deals, like they did to Kraft and the other Johns, in order to notch their wins while not having to defend LE's methods.

    Finally someone held them to account and saved a lot of girls from having a life damaging criminal record in the process. I just don't understand, here on Stripperweb of all places, how anyone who supports adult entertainers could possibly consider this a bad thing.

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    I just don’t understand why we have to bow down to this man(Kraft)? Like I said I am glad he got off. I am in favor of decrim are you?

    He isn’t some trailblazer for the movement. He hasn’t given statements to this and he didn’t help with that women’s legal bills or anything did he? He didn’t feel like he should be in trouble so he used his top notch legal aid. I’m glad his ego helped bring that department’s ego down a notch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamiliam View Post
    I just donít understand why we have to bow down to this man(Kraft)? Like I said I am glad he got off. I am in favor of decrim are you?

    He isnít some trailblazer for the movement. He hasnít given statements to this and he didnít help with that womenís legal bills or anything did he? He didnít feel like he should be in trouble so he used his top notch legal aid. Iím glad his ego helped bring that departmentís ego down a notch.
    Indeed.

    *sorry I couldnít resist*

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