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    Default Sugaring & Learning How to Seduce?

    So it's been awhile since I've been on here, but from all the reading I did about starting strip is that it does require a decent amount of money to start, and accessibility is an issue for me since I do stay at home! So my next avenue is to start sugaring, and I've been on Twitter most of the time and contacting SW about sugaring and tricking. One SW said that Tinder Gold has been her avenue for finding men, so I did invest in it, but there are so many men who still try to get over on you! I will admit, my self-care hasn't been solidified yet, so it is exhausting trying to re-direct conversations to what type of relationship they're trying to set up with you. I've had some men approach me with an escorting offer, but I know that I have a big sign that says new girl on my forehead

    I'm taking the day to kinda recoup and make a new gameplan, but I began reading Ho Tactics, which has been really interesting when I think back on previous relationships I've had. I'm not afraid of having sex with these men, but I think I'm worried about them trying to strongarm me into sex first and I don't get SHIT. The storyline that's in the book provides a more natural, they-don't-know-they're-a-trick way, but I was trying to find men who knew what type of relationship they were getting into and knew how it worked. The last time I tried to do this, he was very emotionally needy and I had to run after 2 weeks!

    So I wanted to ask what approach do people use to analyze if a guy is good to move forward with, since the examples in the book mention asking about what area they stay in and what area their job is located in, because I'm thinking about going forward with freestyling since these apps are a bust. It'll have to be off the top of your head when these men approach you, but many women said that they will have to bring you $200 on the first date if that's what type of relationship they want; they know what's going on and why they're approaching you, especially in public. Many men on these apps fall off when I mention that I'm a) looking for a specific type of relationship and b) I'm going to expect to be compensated for my time, even though it's dinner. Many of the advice I'm reading talk about the anticipation around you and new pussy, and I've also been told that you'll just have to have sex with these men. Like I said, I'm not afraid of having to have sex, especially if it's an intended long-term SD relationship, but I guess I'm afraid that if I do on date three, then they go ghost and I *maybe* got $400-600 in total. What advice do you all have on making sure you get what YOU need? (I'm also trying to work on not saying "No" outright, but alluding to maybe and using "Soon" and being cute. I know men will put you on the spot and start to feel slighted, so I want to know about how to turn it up a notch and not going full on they're driving me straight to their house)

    Also what advice do you all have around seducing men, and if there are any threads on that? I know eye contact is crucial, also light touching. I'm confident that I'm charming, but I wouldn't say that my sex appeal/seduction is high on the scale, and that's something I want to work on. What do you make sure you do on a date to snag a guy? To make them feel wanted and that you need some help?

    I plan on being on the site all day and trying to find some threads! Next week I have some dates set up, and I'll also be practicing with some regular men about eye contact and my charm lol. If you have any links, I'll read them!

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    In my experience it's not worth it if you need the money right away. If you want to set it up properly you need to be patient and stick to your guns. Follow the advice about them bringing a gift and paying with or without sex. Otherwise they may very well pay and then say they keep forgetting or something like that. It's shitty, but until prostitution is legalized men control the game and you don't have control if there is too much sex involved. Because you are walking a fine line between them paying for you as a date and then paying for you for sex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babypoledancer View Post
    I'm weird. I kind of like these kind of customers because I find them very easy to hustle. They have a lot of resentment for women and a lot of preconceived notions about us because they've either been burned in the past (i.e., cheated on) or because they have very little experience with women at all. This makes them easy to crack if you play the "I'm not like other girls", "you're not like other guys", etc. angles. So, I'd make them feel special and different. When they say things like "all you dancers just want money", play coy. Address their concern and turn it around. "Aw, I get why you might think that, some girls in here are only about the money. That's not what I'm about, I find you actually interesting/cute/smart." or "It's a relief to talk to a real guy in here for once, everyone else just acts like an idiot. I kind of like that you won't suck up to me just cause you think I'm cute."

    The trick with these types is that you have to seem extra genuine. Don't guffaw at their lame attempts at jokes, bite back a smile like you shouldn't be laughing at what they say (especially if it's some dumb PUA shit) but you can't help yourself, they're too funny. Shake your head slowly, smile, and playfully roll your eyes you can't believe what they just said, they're just outrageous. Pretend to find yourself mesmerized by them and gradually drawn to them, like they're actually saying something novel and opening your eyes to some greater truth. Play into their bullshit while flirting with them very subtly and they'll be pudding in your hands. A lot of dudes like this have a bit of a narcissistic streak to them too [side note: narcs are extremely easy to work as well, though they get tiring after too long] which means that centering them and making it seem like you find them to be the most wonderful/smart/ whatever the fuck guy will go a long way in earning you favor in their eyes and wallets. Word of warning, though: a lot of these guys have severe insecurities related to how they look so complementing them on appearance is tricky because they won't believe you're being genuine and the illusion of you being unique and honest (unlike all other women in their eyes) will be easily broken. Stick to things they chose, like their outfit or watch if you feel the need to talk about their appearance. Make their job sound fascinating ("Oh my god, that must be so hard to do all the time, I can't imagine being a...") and make it seem like you think that they're better than other people you know because of it. Elevate them and they'll be taken off guard because their completely off- kilter worldview is cemented in women being out of reach and unkind.

    When you go in for the sale, don't make it about money. You don't want to sell them a block of time, you want to spend more time with them. You don't want to have to go out and talk to those other guys, they're completely lame now. You're having such a good time with this guy and you just don't want it to end. Once you get into these guys' heads, they usually will buy a decent number of dances/your time because they can't stand the thought of a woman they have a "genuine" connection with talking to other guys when they're there.

    Bonus points if you pretend you've been cheated on, are unlucky in love, or whatnot. Make yourself a little downtrodden so they can feel like they're above you and 'saving' you with their presence. They don't respond well to women they feel like they could never be with so you've got to make it seem like there's some reason they're "better" than you so they can keep up the illusion that they may have a chance.
    Also this is a really great route. Build them up and make them feel good about themselves. Try to fulfill the social need they aren't getting in their life at home or work.

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    Thank you very much! I have a date set up tomorrow, and many of these older, more established men (40-50s) have said that they're just looking for fun that could potentially build up to something long-term. So I'm trying to make sure that my time is being used properly and I get a feel for what type of arrangement they want. I don't want to be signing up to be some young play thing WITHOUT being compensated. Have been thinking if I need to instead bump them down to a trick level?

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    I have never found a true sugar daddy on a dating app or seeking. Seeking is notorious for having cheap sleazy guys who try to trick women, especially young ladies. Found some escorting clients/shopping trip clients on tinder/SA, but it is like a needle in a hay stack. Keeping the online guys is also not easy, most of them are serial daters with an endless supply. Most of my daddies came from strip clubs and high end bars. Most of the time they are married, which is my preference. I like to order tonic water with lime to appear to be drinking. I always wait for gentlemen to approach me, wear a radiant smile and they will come.

    Personally, I think tinder sucks. Lots of exchanging numbers before you can state what you are looking for... I would say something like, “I am looking for a generous gentleman friend, who is not afraid to spoil the apple of his eye.” I try to do this verbally over the phone if I am attempting tinder. This way you can gauge their response. Make sure you have blocked them on tinder first or someone will eventually report you. It is a huge hassle to get on tinder again as they will ban your IP address.

    What do you mean when you say it costs money to start stripping?? I started dancing at a local low end club made some money, bought some new outfits/shoes, drove to Dallas (4hours) and worked every weekend.. eventually my confidence shot up and I moved on to a local high end club (took me 5 auditions before they hired me!!!)

    If you are looking to step up your seduction skills, I would recommend working at a gentlemen’s club. You can work on your game in a safe environment, you do not have to sleep with anyone (nor will you find yourself in someone’s bed who is not trying to take care of you!!) , and most of the guys in clubs are there to pay.. so the bonus is you can make some great cash, and possibly find a great sugar daddy.

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