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    I'm kinda worried about the future of this industry tbh. I feel like a lot of clubs are trying to sell an experience from 30 years ago in a world that is different. I've noticed my best customers are 35 and older and the younger crowd doesn't spend nearly as much or tries to get more for less. Older people aren't going to be here much longer. How do you think clubs are going to adapt to this in the future or like what could they do? :/

    I don't really blame it on the internet much honestly, free porn movies are different to watch than live entertainment and people will always crave physical touch and affection etc.

    Man idk! If i opened my own club someday it'd be a different experience for sure. I feel like a big problem is clubs are not catering to the younger millennial demographic, but is there really another formula to go off of?

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    I've been told that most frequent strip clubs' patrons are middle-aged men. So, you're correct on that department. That hasn't change.

    But I agree. Times are changing, and it has been since like 2013, I think.

    The Millennials are coming in as the growing consumer block. They are more aware, knowledgeable and stingy when it comes to spending. But there's several factors that comes into play.

    - Free online porn. It's easily accessible on their palm of their hand and be done with within 5-10 minutes of jerking off.

    - Liberal view of sex in today's USA. More guys are viewing(porn) and having sex. As well, with a growing hook-up culture, civil women are giving it up more easily and it devalues our services for a lot of guys.

    - Cost-of-living. It's raising and wages have been stagnating since the 1980's. The job market for a lot of average Joes is in bad shape. All good-paying jobs have been depleted or outsourced. Now, it's replaced with low-paying jobs.

    - Debt that stagnates the economy. Also a lot of Millennials are in debt. Mostly in student loans, and joining with credit card debt, which is over $1 trillion nationwide and car loans.

    There's also can be other factors too. I'm not sure. So add more if you girls got something to say.

    But these things leads to the "evolution" of the current American male mindset that views strip clubs very negative.

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    Two observations I have of the younger crowd:

    1. They are more generous with stage tipping. So if there is a bunch of them it’s better to give a good stage performance .
    2. They don’t take as long to decide to get a dance. Sometimes, when I’m talking to them, they will even interrupt me because they are immediately ready. So maybe VIPs aren’t as worth it but dance stacking works out plenty well—especially when it’s a whole table and you’re taking one friend after another back to back for a few songs each. Or don’t even bother taking them to the lapdance area because the friends will make it rain on top of the $20/song or whatever.

    Idk if that’s just something in my regional or something that happens everywhere. If it’s the case that’s how it is everywhere, then urban style/party environments are most likely the future. But lol yes they can get handsy sometimes and you gotta defend your boundaries.

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    I truly feel that strip clubs will become more "boutique"...which has already happened in a lot of other industries (hotels, coffeeshops, bakeries.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SnuffleUffleGrass View Post
    I truly feel that strip clubs will become more "boutique"...which has already happened in a lot of other industries (hotels, coffeeshops, bakeries.)
    Could you describe a bit more what you mean by Boutique? Interesting but I am having trouble picturing what that might look like

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    Millennials are still spending money on adult entertainment. They're just spending it in different ways. They're a lot more likely to buy nude photos or spend on sexting apps than Boomers, for example. And as a few posters noted, Millennials still go to strip clubs, but they're going in mixed-gender groups for a party/night club experience. I often wonder if as they age, Millennials will change their club habits to resemble those of Boomers (e.g., going to clubs alone, forging relationships with dancers, etc).

    In my area, clubs are already changing in response to the shifting demographics and political pressure. I think we will see a rise of stage-centric clubs where money comes more from tips and stacking dances, as opposed to room sales. I do think we will have fewer strip clubs overall and pickier hiring managers. As a result, pole dancing ability will become more important than ever--especially in an era where plentiful pole studios not only allow us to elevate our craft, but also create a smorgasbord of potential competition.

    I believe women who seriously want to pursue a dancing career will always be able to, but it might require a high level of open-ness and outness to make real money. A strong social media presence will become more and more important when it comes to getting hired, getting customers and making money. The strip club is a great adjunct to online sex work, and savvy strippers will use their online sex work business to enhance their business in the club--and vice versa. That could mean taking Instagram photos in the club, selling Snapchat premium to strip club customers, etc.

    I think strippers will become a lot like social media influencers who have large followings and do meet-and-greets from time to time--our shifts in the club will be our meet-and-greets.


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    its a slowly dying industry for many reasons

    - hookup apps....its pretty easy for even an average guy to hookup free of charge
    - internet porn.....why spend money getting teased when you can jerk off for free?
    - escorts.....are giving it up these days for as little as 50-60 bucks, why get a lap dance when you can have sex for the same price??
    - drinks.....far too expensive at most clubs
    - camming....guys can sit at home with a cam girl and get more pleasure

    i don't really believe in the millennial thing or "older men" thing,

    there will always be a young crowd and an older crowd....people are born all the time, and people age all the time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrienne7 View Post
    Could you describe a bit more what you mean by Boutique? Interesting but I am having trouble picturing what that might look like
    Basically the business model that the chain corporate clubs do will be the go-to for most strip bars.

    The era of "indie strip bars" is over. For so many different reasons.

    A dancer friend of mine from the UK explained the scene in that region to me years ago and it became the norm in the industry because of the economy- clubs are tightly run there, the shelf life of a dancer at any given club is six months to a year, and standards are kept extremely high. Deviations from dress code or weight limits are not allowed.

    I think there will be a niche for party dancers for a while (like go-go, EDM rave dancers, exotic dancers, etc.) but the industry standard is more "Pornified." On the same token, I think dancers will come to have a better idea of how to get more out of the occupation for the time/effort they spend on it...

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    When I first started in late-2006, it was easy. Most guys were eager to spend on lap dances. For example, you came out the VIP after a string of lap dances and the next minute, some guy comes up to you and gets like 3-4 dances, and it repeated. $500 on a weekend night was considered a bad night back then. Now, it's the norm or just lucky.

    Fast-forward to 2011, things started to look different. People were still buying dances and filling up the tip rails on weekends. But the "I don't do dances" answer was becoming more and more common among men past 25 y/o and the more, and more you have to approach customers to sell dances as the years went by. While the VIP started to look more and more empty on weekend nights when there were a lot of men coming in to the club. I've notice too that the older white males started to come in less and less as well - most likely they retired and penny-pinching since then. They were the ones that who patronize strip clubs as far I could remember. And this causes a problem for this industry as you need to replace the "older white males" with a new generation of consumers.

    As we know older white males don't stick around that long once they reach that age.

    And here we have the problems with the coming generation of consumers. I already posted above the issues with the current generation of consumers: debt and working low-wage jobs. Yes, our business has to be cater to the average Joes as those with good-paying jobs/careers aren't going to waste their time with strippers when they can just get a girlfriend easily.

    But one thing I forgot to mention about free online porn is that it takes away and keeps the Lonesome Georges at home. These guys are essential to our business. The dangers of free online porn is it morphs the young male minds that sex is cheap/free and questions them "What's the point of paying a woman to tease you?"

    Oh yeah, I forgot to mention about the other cheap/free entertainment service that we have nowadays like Netflix, YouTube, free mobile game apps, etc. It also cuts into our pricey business as well. You know more and more people, especially the Millennials, are cutting the cord or never-cords.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrienne7 View Post
    Could you describe a bit more what you mean by Boutique? Interesting but I am having trouble picturing what that might look like
    Having the element of "fine art" or considered to be a luxury good or service due to the moderate high pricing that people might pay into it just for the experience of it. That is what she meant, I think.

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    It's evolving, yes. Dying, no. Sex work won't die until people stop needing human emotional/ mental connection, touch and sex. I feel so lucky that I've been dancing since 2013 and have had to evolve with the industry, because I only notice my money (and other girls' money who get it) going up. I feel like threads and posts that say everything is going to shit are made by people who are burned out and/ or don't understand how to shift with the market to make money.

    Like if you're still stuick in the 1990's era of "all I have to do is walk up to a guy and he will pay me $500 for one air dance" (which I doubt happened much even then based on threads on this website from the mid 2000s) uh yeah, you aren't going to make shit. Learn how to market, upsell touching and blocks of time, work on your look. You can no longer be an "in the closet" stripper, this is no longer a private job. You need to be "out" as a dancer. Have a work phone and give your customers that number. Have a social media presence. I have regulars who just send me money for being online when they feel like it.

    Also, if you look at threads on here from like 2004, people were saying the same thing then.

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    I can't say strip clubs will be around forever because different types of businesses become irrelevant all the time, look at music stores and shopping malls. But as for right now you can still make tons of money it's just that what was popular in strip clubs 10-20 years ago is out of style now. Trends change, that's totally normal. And I know this might upset some people but if someone has been stripping for like 20 years and is saying "strip clubs are dying theres no money anymore!" maybe it's themselves who changed too much, not the club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniellaa View Post
    I can't say strip clubs will be around forever because different types of businesses become irrelevant all the time, look at music stores and shopping malls. But as for right now you can still make tons of money it's just that what was popular in strip clubs 10-20 years ago is out of style now. Trends change, that's totally normal. And I know this might upset some people but if someone has been stripping for like 20 years and is saying "strip clubs are dying theres no money anymore!" maybe it's themselves who changed too much, not the club.
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    Agreed! Things change in all industries-survival of the fittest. I’m glad to get validation that the club culture is changing, but it’s important to adapt or find another way to generate income. Often in times of change there’s an opportunity to grow and make even more money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babb View Post
    You can no longer be an "in the closet" stripper, this is no longer a private job. You need to be "out" as a dancer.

    Also, if you look at threads on here from like 2004, people were saying the same thing then.

    And that's what's sad about the industry is that it lost it's 'mystic'. I loved the privacy of it and making a killing at the same time with no one having a clue what you do. It's washed up now (at least in SoCal) and prostitution is rampant even more in pretty much all of the clubs here. I make way more consistent guaranteed money in other things, than dancing so I'm happy to say that I left 5 years ago. Yes, you can still make great money- but at what 'cost'?
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    Blame social media.

    It exposes our occupation to the masses. Though I feel like that the vast majority of people, even back then, always knew strippers make tons of money in a short period of time. Only difference is that back then, it was considered "taboo" for a woman to dance nude for strangers for money. Now, it's pretty much accepted due to the rising cost-of-living, blowned economy, and the rise of "hustler" culture as many people are working two or more jobs, and do a side-business. To those factors and current state of the economy, I feel like civilians can tell that you're a stripper especially if they know you for like 10 minutes as some of us will give spotty answers to the asker.

    But I see the difference from 2006 and now: Men today are spending less on strippers and more girls are giving stripping a shot which thins the slice of pie if some of them, and some of them shouldn't be stripping at all, succeeds.

    The 2008 economic crash and neoliberalism has really hurted many Millennials and we're seeing another one soon. But I always see nowadays is how many men, especially the ones past 25, are not incline on spending money on strip clubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 305gurl View Post
    Blame social media.

    It exposes our occupation to the masses. Though I feel like that the vast majority of people, even back then, always knew strippers make tons of money in a short period of time. Only difference is that back then, it was considered "taboo" for a woman to dance nude for strangers for money.
    This is very true. If my friend Julie had lived to see this era of stripping, she'd probably be surprised. She entered the occupation as a former model and was able to work it all to her advantage. But this was in "the Golden Age" of the adult industry. The Internet was (literally) a blip on the horizon, and strip bars still had somewhat of a mystique.

    Life goes on though. The adult industry is never going away. As long as you have spenders, someone will sell them whatever they seek.

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    Millenials are not established men yet, so why cater to that audience? Clubs need to continue to cater to middle aged men....And girls need to realize that this is still the demographic of clients with actual money. Middle aged men are so turned off by all the mumble rap played in clubs, and all the twerking. It has become an epidemic especially in Vegas. I rarely hear EDM played in strip clubs anymore...let alone rock and roll. I understand that many younger dancers do not listen to rock music, etc...but they need to wisen up and cater to the audience, not themselves..when choosing songs.

    Im not sure how it is elsewhere..but in Vegas I have visited clubs in the past few years and listen to all kinds of music and even I was annoyed by the constant bumping and twerking. As well as the ratchet appearance that is now acceptable in clubs. Girls are out of shape and have "millenial gut" and look like they just rolled out of bed. You get what you pay for even at clubs, so that is why patrons will not spend money. The newbs need to learn to create and sell an image and bring back that old skool "glamour" The hottest and most beautiful women in Vegas will no longer strip, because they can make more money with less hassle being cocktail servers. Also there is a total lack of hustle. SO many "wanna dance" type girls! Girl no, go elsewhere. I will get you a drink and wont talk your ear off for an hour and not pay..but you pretty much ruined your chances of making any money "wanna dance'n" people all night. I know that type of hustle is a numbers game and they will eventually make money.

    I think a lot of younger girls (and just starting out I was clueless too) Think it is all about the sex and the grind...when it is truly about intimacy. Most men and specifically men with money do not go to clubs to just get hard and get grinded on. They are lonely and lacking intimacy in their lives. Once you realize this your whole outlook changes and so does your money making potential.


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    That is the current problem going on.

    The "older white males" are phasing out - heading to or have gone full retirement meaning penny-pinching through Social Security, pensions or life savings if they have them. You have to replace them.

    Their "children," Gen-X, Millennials and so on, are coming in to fill-in their roles but they can't and they don't want to.

    We now have a different culture and a diverse demographics.

    Single-parent household is now common and accepted, consumers are more aware and knowledgeable, sex is now available at all times, USA being one of the richest countries yet socio-economics hasn't been address causing less people to spend, be in debt, and think about it, it causes common girls to hook up with guys fast in order to survive especially in the cities. Cheap and free entertainment like YouTube, Netflix, Hulu causes people, in our case men, to pay little for entertainment or to spend on pricey "renewable" entertainment like video games.

    $400 on a PS4 or 16 lap dances?

    Times are different. I've seen it among men around my age. Like my brothers for example, all they cracked jokes in the past on "how lame it is for a guy to pay a woman to tease him." And two of them aren't even Mr. Smooth with women. As well, inside the club.

    It's not only strip clubs that have been effected by this changing demographic but other entertainment industries like casinos have been effected too.

    Remember when Vegas was cheap to go? Like $15 for gourmet buffet, free parking, good prices to stay at or near the Strip, and so on. Well, those were subsidized by the gaming revenue that casinos relied on to bring in more consumers. But the new generation of consumers aren't gambling like the previous. And as well with other factors like having casinos all over the country. But Vegas has adapted to the changes and became a recreational city like LA, NYC and Miami. So expensive these days to go. LOL.

    Same goes products being effected like Harley-Davidson motorcycle.
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    $400 on a PS4 or 16 lap dances?
    more like free internet porn or one lap dance, which is cheaper?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberstripper View Post
    Millenials are not established men yet, so why cater to that audience? Clubs need to continue to cater to middle aged men....And girls need to realize that this is still the demographic of clients with actual money. Middle aged men are so turned off by all the mumble rap played in clubs, and all the twerking. It has become an epidemic especially in Vegas. I rarely hear EDM played in strip clubs anymore...let alone rock and roll. I understand that many younger dancers do not listen to rock music, etc...but they need to wisen up and cater to the audience, not themselves..when choosing songs.

    Im not sure how it is elsewhere..but in Vegas I have visited clubs in the past few years and listen to all kinds of music and even I was annoyed by the constant bumping and twerking. As well as the ratchet appearance that is now acceptable in clubs. Girls are out of shape and have "millenial gut" and look like they just rolled out of bed. You get what you pay for even at clubs, so that is why patrons will not spend money. The newbs need to learn to create and sell an image and bring back that old skool "glamour" The hottest and most beautiful women in Vegas will no longer strip, because they can make more money with less hassle being cocktail servers. Also there is a total lack of hustle. SO many "wanna dance" type girls! Girl no, go elsewhere. I will get you a drink and wont talk your ear off for an hour and not pay..but you pretty much ruined your chances of making any money "wanna dance'n" people all night. I know that type of hustle is a numbers game and they will eventually make money.

    I think a lot of younger girls (and just starting out I was clueless too) Think it is all about the sex and the grind...when it is truly about intimacy. Most men and specifically men with money do not go to clubs to just get hard and get grinded on. They are lonely and lacking intimacy in their lives. Once you realize this your whole outlook changes and so does your money making potential.
    All the above.
    I think bartenders and waitresses made more money flirting with the wealthy men than the dancers in the clubs I danced at in Chicago. I think the house mom made more money than all of us! Now n days clubs are more like pimps taking our hard earned money and giving us a fraction of it. Now that’s it less and less it’s not even worth it to deal with the BS. I think the only thing that keeps a lot of girls in the game is just the CHANCE of having a good night and a lot of us-me-are getting all they can now with their skill set. It’s not really worth investing any more money or time into though. Get all you can now
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    social media, dating apps, and hookup apps, IMO

    its pretty easy for even an average guy to hookup on tinder or even POF free of charge these days

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    Quote Originally Posted by 305gurl View Post
    That is the current problem going on.

    The "older white males" are phasing out - heading to or have gone full retirement meaning penny-pinching through Social Security, pensions or life savings if they have them. You have to replace them.

    Their "children," Gen-X, Millennials and so on, are coming in to fill-in their roles but they can't and they don't want to.

    We now have a different culture and a diverse demographics.

    Single-parent household is now common and accepted, consumers are more aware and knowledgeable, sex is now available at all times, USA being one of the richest countries yet socio-economics hasn't been address causing less people to spend, be in debt, and think about it, it causes common girls to hook up with guys fast in order to survive especially in the cities. Cheap and free entertainment like YouTube, Netflix, Hulu causes people, in our case men, to pay little for entertainment or to spend on pricey "renewable" entertainment like video games.

    $400 on a PS4 or 16 lap dances?

    Times are different. I've seen it among men around my age. Like my brothers for example, all they cracked jokes in the past on "how lame it is for a guy to pay a woman to tease him." And two of them aren't even Mr. Smooth with women. As well, inside the club.

    It's not only strip clubs that have been effected by this changing demographic but other entertainment industries like casinos have been effected too.

    Remember when Vegas was cheap to go? Like $15 for gourmet buffet, free parking, good prices to stay at or near the Strip, and so on. Well, those were subsidized by the gaming revenue that casinos relied on to bring in more consumers. But the new generation of consumers aren't gambling like the previous. And as well with other factors like having casinos all over the country. But Vegas has adapted to the changes and became a recreational city like LA, NYC and Miami. So expensive these days to go. LOL.

    Same goes products being effected like Harley-Davidson motorcycle.
    These young men may change when they age there will be a different perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yaya_cash View Post
    These young men may change when they age there will be a different perspective.
    Yeah, sure. There's always going to be Lonesome Georges but how long are they going to be committed to spending at strip clubs? And how many will convert to SC consumer? Like it was said before, strip clubs had lost its aura of mysteriousness and most guys under 40, knows how strip clubs work even if they never stepped into a SC and how overpriced one good visit is. If the current state of economy, which is going to get worse soon, isn't address in the next decade, we're going to see drastic changes in consumer spending because we are in a different era than 2008.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tina4u View Post
    more like free internet porn or one lap dance, which is cheaper?
    True. A lap dance is considered a "novelty" item/service but it's not obtainable for possession nor for a prolonged period of time. One lap dance cost, on average, $25/song which a song last about 2-3 minutes. I know for a fact, consumers, even myself, knows it's not worth the money. Which something to think about with the entertainment market when you have Netflix for $8.99/month, YouTube, pr0n, video games, etc. The way the economy is moving, strip clubs will become nightclubs with dancing nude women selling "boutique" services that guys will pay one dance just for the "experience."

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    Quote Originally Posted by 305gurl View Post
    True. A lap dance is considered a "novelty" item/service but it's not obtainable for possession nor for a prolonged period of time. One lap dance cost, on average, $25/song which a song last about 2-3 minutes. I know for a fact, consumers, even myself, knows it's not worth the money. Which something to think about with the entertainment market when you have Netflix for $8.99/month, YouTube, pr0n, video games, etc. The way the economy is moving, strip clubs will become nightclubs with dancing nude women selling "boutique" services that guys will pay one dance just for the "experience."
    This is why strip clubs have VIP...the "per dance" model of selling intimacy is getting to be outdated.

    IMO as long as there are people unhappy with their lives, or people feeling lonely.....They will congregate in bars, and bars will sell them goods and services...

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