
times will always change and progress, technology does a lot of good, but it also can be blamed for a lot of things including strip club degradation,
pre-internet....if a man wanted to see a naked lady he would go to a video rental store, rent a movie, or buy a porn magazine, playboy etc....which costed money,
those things have now become unlimited and free of charge on the internet,
again pre-internet.....men would pay money to join dating services to meet women, now those services are free like POF and tinder and hundreds more,
its easier for guys to get complete satisfaction free of charge, why would they want to pay $20 to get teased for 3 minutes??
I think customers are expecting a lot more for less, and hiring standards have gone down the drain. I started dancing in 2008. It was mostly the same besides the fact customers were willing to spend a bit more. The girls they hired were at least somewhat attractive. It seems like now they hire anyone that walks in the door.





Straight. Up. Club mentality seems to be "let's give em a shot". They figure the girls will weed themselves out by not making enough $$ and in the meantime the club will happily collect an extra house fee... It doesn't always happen that way. The less attractive/less skilled realize they don't make enough, try to compensate by charging less, then drag everyone else down.
My club used to be 99% only $20 couch dances on the floor. $10 table dances technically existed, but good luck finding a girl who would do them. In the last 6 months even, we've gotten so many new girls who are doing $10 dances and letting dudes do way too much touching. They aren't supposed to touch PERIOD even on the couches. Touching was reserved for VIP that was a minimum $100 to start.
These chicks don't know how to sell a room to save their lives because most of my city is by-the-dance even in VIP, but then instead of learning the hustle they just do cheaper dances & more contact for less.
I had another dancer get shitty with me because I refused to do a $10 dance. She called me stuck up, mocked me in front of the customers and then complained to the manager about me (while I was doing the $20 dance that the customer had been totally happy to pay for, lmao). Like, wtf was that about? Are girls actively trying to slash everyone's income just because they can't sell a more expensive dance?
/rant
"People jack off with the left hand and point with the right."
"You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave."



Lol, I worked at a club with a prepay policy for dances. So there is a set price and you must pay that whole amount to the club and get (most) of the money back at the end of the night. So anyway when some of these guys are short like $5 the girl fronts her own $5 to cut him a deal. And yeah a lot of girls do not have a concept of spend more to get more. I am kinda over this shit.
I don't think that every girl at every club needs to be super hot. But there are some girls I see that I wonder who told her to go strip. There is one I am thinking of that is literally dumber than a bag of rocks, looks pregnant when she isnt, does not have ass or tits or hips to balance out her big ol belly, not cute at all in the face, really short hair that doesnt suit her. I mean idk how that is anyone's fantasy. Oh and she stole money from the club, and they know it, but can't "prove" it. Yet they won't fire or fine her. And I get fired for slapping a grabby cheap nasty dumb fuck. Bitch please. I've gotten fired from a few places for losing my temper on customers. Can you tell I am burned out? Fuck this shit.
Also, a lot of girls are just way too desperate for every last dollar. I see so many girls so focused on every last little dollar that they pass up much bigger money they coulda got for doing less. It is hard to explain, but I am sure everyone here has seen it.
That's the thing. A lot of girls are very desperate and don't have a whole lot of thinking going on inside their heads.
I feel like customers get away with too much bs in too many clubs. Why do I have to look a certain way, carry myself a certain way etc for this trash they call customers.
Staff and managers/owners act like trash too in a lot of clubs.
I really only like the freedom and fast cash, but sometimes the negatives outweigh the positives for me.
This was a God damn novel lol!
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Wow! $20 for a "somewhat" table/VIP dance and no touching. That sounds really good service to sell. Well, for us that is. Way better than $10 table dances.
Over here, it's rare to see table dances since a lot of girls don't like doing them since it's in the open and less money unless the guy is going to drop a lot of $1's for like two table dances.
It's all about $25 dances in those more-private rooms. But it comes with high contact: boob-grabbing, titty-sucking and kissing attempts, feeling upon your inner thigh. A lot of new girls do not like it. Some adapt but few just leave or try to minimize contact. I'm guilty of high mileage (to a point) since this is what the local market dictates and customers know this. So you can't say "no touching" or try to raise the price since you're going to lose. My strategy is to convert a few first-buyers to repeat customers by giving them a good dance(hard-grinding...) and it is getting harder to cultivate regulars these days.
I don't know what else to say more about the changing of this industry. I've said a lot about it. Everything is control outside the club that we can't do nothing about other than try to take money from those coming through the door.



One lady here said that the "indie" strip clubs era is over. I believe so. One competitor, known to be "clean" and also close by is closing soon once their lease is up. My club is owned by Rick's Cabaret Holdings since the mid-2000's when the club moved to their current location, a former discounted electronic store or a warehouse. But a year ago or two, they bought Scarlett's which is one of their two local competitors and the other, Club e11even, bought another club that had past-glory. Both both clubs and mine's have the same criteria: known among every social class and promoting this "adult nightclub" vibe equaling a night-out for adults but with naked women around.
I think, like Vegas, they know where the trends is shifting towards - a recreational party atmosphere. Like any corporations, their bottom-line is making profits. So they want to flood the clubs with girls as much possible to get those house fees while increasing bar sales.
As we know throughout history, ideas, way of thinking, lifestyle, etc don't stagnate, they keep changing, evolving. "Bro-isms" has became prevelent for young people and Millennials as one of their "philosophies": don't spend money on a girl who isn't your girlfriend or at least not fucking. That's what I get from men these days. Plus, almost all men in the U.S. who are born 1980 and onward, are becoming the growing consumer block, grew up playing video games. It seems to them, video games is worth spending money on when it comes to entertainment as I call video games "renewable" entertainment. Once you buy it, you have it. Unlike strippers, it's the opposite and costly.
Now, we're in late-May, I feel like the dry season is coming sooner every year while prolong even more like last year's and the year before that. Back then, I could remember leaving the club with $600 at a Saturday morning past 4am and think that's "average." Now, I'm lucky enough to leave $600 on a weekend night. Hate to be a Debbie Downer, but that's what I feel. Though, in a few years, I'll hang it up...
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Every market is different. What’s an indie club to you? Even the big cities in this country have plenty of them, and these clubs are popular and sometimes big and often busy. Sapphire could be considered an indie club and it’s both busy and big, and a great place to work if you fit its demographic. Buck’s and The Lodge in Dallas are indie Clubs, Casa Diablo and Acropolis and Stars clubs in Portland (three of 100+), Odyssey and Mons in Tampa, Perfect 10 and Palazzio and The Rose in Austin, Cheetah and Follies and Blue Flame and more in ATL, Hi Liter and Bourbon Street in Phoenix, and I could name a bunch more, these are just some famous ones that are not hole-in-the-wall places and also not corporations. The Indie club is not dead, my friends.
There are also unlimited forms of “non renewable” entertainment that people continue to consume. Concerts, sporting events, movies, massage, night clubs, golf and other playable sports, vacations, car shows, horse racing, EVEN DINING OUT—food—is non renewable entertainment. If you are non renewable then what is your muthafucking value to a customer?
We are talking here about girls who don’t belong in the strip club—who cares? Those kinds of girls don’t last and most customers don’t pay them any attention, or money for that matter. There is no value there, and consumers seek muthafucking value.
Millennial men IMO are mostly broke, and they aren’t strip club customers because they have been conditioned to value free, easily accessible sex over a paid experience with a stripper. If you are hooking up with men via Tinder or whatever else then you are contributing to that mentality and making it easy for men to not seek interaction, aka “muthafucking value” in the strip club. Sorry if my opinion is harsh.
I keep saying this here: I ask my customers, why do you think guys aren’t going to the club as much—their number one answer is that they are tired of being ripped off. Please stop doing this, it is not a good nor long term strategy. We all need to consider things like this if we want our industry to live—while “value” has many meanings, monetary value is measurable and it is a consideration for customers as much as other factors of the strip club experience that aren’t quantifiable.





I should elaborate- the reason the independent strip bar owner will become a more rare thing is- they lack the resources to fight to defend their businesses from both legal issues lodged by customers and workers AND by "city hall."
Back in the 1950s and 60s the kinds of men who would run a bar with naked dancing women were either "weirdoes" to society at large or part of bigger organizations that dealt with the black market. (EX- Larry Flynt, The O'Farrell Brothers.)
Society has changed (partially from the efforts of the kinds of people I mentioned above) and the business models have to fit what people seek now and what challenges the owners and management have to face.
It sounds weird for me (an ex dancer) to seem to be "going to bat" for strip club owners. Keep in mind someone has to be responsible for the place while employees work there. One of my all time favorite strip bars got closed and sold due to a very stupid lawsuit having to do with Dram House laws. Strip bars also employ bar professionals, security workers and assorted other workers. In my mind depriving all these people of gainful employment is a bad thing to do. However there are people out there who would gleefully shut down all the bars in America if they could. That's another topic for another time.



Not weird at all—I think all of us prefer an indie club to the chains, even the customers prefer them. I love all the clubs I listed except for one that I dislike and two I’ve never worked in. My home club is part of a big chain and I try to get away from there as much as possible because the fees are outrageous.
I think we all agree with you, I just was saying, I think there are still a few good ones hanging in there.



Ok, what do we mean by ripping off a guy? Promising him a good time then he is upset you guys arent doing etc etc etc. Or like straight up saying "I will _____" then he pays, and you don't fulfill your end. I wouldn't say the first one is a ripoff. The second one is definitely a ripoff by all definitions.
In response to other things. Yeah, millenials can be so soul sucking inside the clubs... though I think old guys aren't always great either. A lot of older guys who club all the time sure are extremely value seeking in a bad way...
I really prefer guys who only go once in a blue moon or semi regularly at most...





I also want to know what is a 'rip-off' in this conversation.
IME, at my club most guys are ok with paying the cover charge, for drinks, and the overall dance prices. I see the most pushback about ATM fees, credit card use fees, and the feeling of being nickel and dimed.
Say the room starts out at $200, then it becomes another $30 from using a credit card, then the waitress is up pressuring him to buy drinks so another $15, then SHE expects a damn tip as well (the credit card slip tip line goes to the waitress, and they push it heavily, which flusters the guy into tipping them at least $20 since he's under pressure with her staring at him while he fills it out). Now we are at $265; his overall price has increased by 32%! I know I don't go back to businesses that do that sort of thing, so I can't blame the guys in this case.
Agree to disagree on the girls who don't belong, I suppose. I do still care about them because the ones that do last are often compensating by providing extras. They aren't an issue so much on busy days, but it is very hard to work a slow Tuesday when 3/10 girls are getting all the money by making every customer an 'offer they can't refuse'. It probably depends on your particular club as to if they bother you a lot or not![]()
"People jack off with the left hand and point with the right."
"You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave."



You didn't factor cost and time when it comes to other "non-renewable" entertainment sources.
Example: You pay $25 for two movie tickets and popcorn with a loved one. Then, be done within 2 hours. You could also factor in by prolonging the visit by staying in for a double or sneak in to another room to watch a different movie. Now, that's reasonable and good value for the customer, especially for a guy spending on a date.
You can pretty much do that with any kind "non-renewable" entertainment and services. Many is for the "experience" of it.
Now, with strippers. It's a different thing. You have to see it within the men's perspective.
A lap dance(service) cost $25 per song which a song can be 3 minutes long - here, DJs cut it short on weekends due to the high number of girls on the floor. To many customers (men), they see it an expensive "tease," or "a waste of money just to get blueballs." It's an impulsive buy for a very very short time of usage and men today find it unappealing plus the thought of giving a random girl a sum of money without OTC which almost every guys who comes to strip clubs wants.
In today's world, we got more options. YouTube, Netflix, Hulu, free porn with cheap monthly premiums while cable is getting less. My brother pays $10/month on some sport streaming site and that $10 really stretches throughout the month. Mind you, the economic downturn and lack of job opportunities for regular men forces them to settle for cheap entertainment



Apples and oranges babe.



Imo a rip off can mean more than one thing to different people, just like a great dance/great time/great experience can mean more than one thing. To me, a rip off is charging much more than what a customer expects without telling him upfront—I.e., your dances are $40 per song; it can be charging much more than a typical lap dance price, I.e., your dances are $60 per song; or it can be charging for a lot of dances that you didn’t do, I.e., we were only back here for 15 minutes and she says I owe her $300 type of thing.
I think you hit it right on the button when you said ‘I don’t go back to places that do this sort of thing,’ i think that if a guy feels ripped off he doesn’t go back. I think your example is also another frequently encountered situation in the club that results in customers not wanting to go back but I think this one happens in more upscale clubs. I HATEEEEE when the person running the card TELLS the customer then need to be tipped. FOR WHAT?!? It’s an extra charge to the guy and it’s unnecessary. I don’t always work in clubs like this so I don’t run into this hustle but that’s what it is, a hustle from the club. I think it also takes away from the dancer’s tip, or likeliness of receiving a tip at all.
Girls who don’t belong have been a different story where I’ve worked, they usually are a mess, don’t know what they are doing, can’t figure it out, and leave the industry shortly after they started. House fee where I live is $180 per night so the stakes are higher and those girls don’t last here because they can’t pay their house and don’t make any money. Different experiences, depends on your particular club, agree to disagree.![]()





Fwahahaa, I can't tell you how many times a guy has been half-drunk, not realized that the CC tip goes to the waitress & not me, and then gets upset when I tell him so. Then he's pissed that I got cheated out of the tip (of course I am too!) and has another bad taste in his mouth. I once had a guy go argue with the manager to void & re-run the card and they told him to kick rocks. Such shitty practices.
$180 house is probably exactly why you have no issues lol. The highest house we have is $60 so it's still attainable for them to scrape up with a few dances & stages.
Yeah and it can go to hell, honestly. The structure at my club would make your head spin. We pay out house, DJ, door. DJ has to tip back out to the club a % based on OUR VIP rooms, door pools tips with waitresses & bartenders, managers take a cut of each house fee... The amount of people with their hands in each other's pockets is insane.Originally Posted by yaya_cash
I wouldn't mind if, oh I don't know, I GOT something for my tips. DJs and door guys do the same mediocre job whether I tip them 10% or nothing, yet they whine & bitch to managers if you don't tip well enough. Luckily managers tell them to take it up with us, but still the culture of it even being a thing for them to *expect* $60 of my $600 is ridiculous.
"People jack off with the left hand and point with the right."
"You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave."



One of the more interesting ripoffs I'm aware of is when a guy is fucked up and a girl tells him something is x amt of money but doesn't specify how much time or how many dances for $x. I once passed through some run down shit hole with literally no cameras in the champagne room and bouncers don't check on the area. One of the girls told me if a guy is really fucked up on drugs or just really drunk she will tell him it is $500 to go in there. Then she pays the charge for a 15 minute session to the club. Like omg LOL. Yeah that place was completely dead even with prostitution going on. Gee I wonder why. So yeah, I agree total RIP offs like that keep guys from coming back and spending. I dont think charging higher for dances is bad so long as you are upfront. I hate hate hate when girls tell the guy after the fact. So say he gets like 5 dances thinks he owes 100 then he gets hit with my dances are 40 and she is trying to get 200. That is a fucked up way to hustle. As far as adding extra dances idk. I think if a girl has been drinking and has a hard time keeping track of if she has done 13 or 15 dances I dont think this is a big deal. But if some guy did 2 and you charge for like 5 that is really fucked up.
I just wanted to say that overcharging like that is super fucked! We have several girls that add (or try) extra dances at the end or sometimes try to ask for outrageous tips. I've talked to so many guys that refuse to dance with them after that. I feel like they are really only hurting themselves in the long run. Half the time the guy isn't going to give you that many dances.. And if he does he just won't dance with you ever again.





That problem was rampant at my old club but I see it EVERYWHERE. Girls would do 5 and charge for 10, and the bouncers were just happy to beat people up so they'd shake these poor guys down. It was crazy and club regulars knew who to avoid.
A girl at my current club (who finally got fired for other things) used to do this as well, along with changing the prices after the fact, nastily demanding huge tips, etc. I watched her one day straight up help herself to an extra $40 from a guy's wallet while he was trying to pull $$ out for a dance
My BIL has taken to going to clubs & was saying this happened to him at the Christie's... I know for a fact their floor dances are $10 and he had a girl charge him $75 for 3. He's a very meek guy so he just paid it and said "I mean, they were good dances, it was worth it..." But the dishonesty, man. That's the issue.
I can't stand when girls call that their 'hustle', like no, that's not a hustle, that's being a liar and a scammer.
"People jack off with the left hand and point with the right."
"You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave."



This is why many consumers(men) find strip clubs "distrustful," filled with shady characters and other stereotypes(drug addicts, money-trap).
Not really. Strip club is part of the entertainment industry. We're all in competition for disposable income of the consumers. With stagnating wages, debt, technology, lack of decent-paying jobs, and change of culture, entertainment industry changed with it. There's a growing number of people forgoing of paying cable premiums thanks to the Internet and streaming services and sites(porn). No one wants to pay a good amount of money for little these days. Consumers are more aware and just Google reviews on products or finding deals. Liberal view of sex, rise of hook-up culture in America just like in Europe. Bro-isms is prevelent. It's a changing world.





The bad economy has been why smaller clubs have been able to get by (the set up for customers is more relaxed than a large corporate chain club with high door fees + upcharges etc....) Guys still crave the strip club experience but most budget for it now, versus going in with an expense card from work and going wild. A casual bar lets them enjoy dancers without the extra charges.
This also varies regionally, in some areas men have access to good jobs, in some regions...no one really has an opportunity to better themselves.



Yeah, I agree that most guys love the SC atmosphere with the music bumping, dancing naked women but coming in with a budget of $20-40. Just to have a beer or two and look at all the TA&Ps they want. My club is huge and it promotes this "adult nightclub" vibe to the max which it's prone being a glorified hangout spot with its free cover during the daily prolonged happy hour of 12pm - 8pm. And even its cover fee is nothing compare to other clubs', it's $8 on weeknights and $10 on weekends. Even then, a lot of costumers bypass with free entry passes they can get at the customer service window. Mind you, the club is the most popular in the area.




It’s funny because it’s not just this industry-duh I’m sure you already knew that. I was looking up how to make money as a bodybuilder-something I’ve always wanted to do. I’ll probably do it as a hobby or side hustle, but I’m just not seeing a way.
Anyways, basically the same thing happened in bodybuilding. The Market was over saturated with wannabe bodybuilders -basically lowering standards like we see in our industry. People doing all sorts of free stuff on YouTube just to get attention from sponsors has made it really hard to make money from bodybuilding. Like we see girls that are doing the most for nothing just for some attention on social media.
Times have changed a lot of things. Kinda made me feel better knowing it’s not just a “stripper thing”.
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