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    Search Robert Kraft Prosecution ..... Release the Nudes....

    Do you think the judge should release this spa surveillance tape?

    What do you think will happen if it is/isn't released?

    https://deadspin.com/robert-kraft-is...-to-1833583839

    some excerpts from this article....

    "Florida’s constitution strongly endorses public records—including police evidence, including videos taken by Jupiter police of what happened inside a massage parlor where, according to law enforcement, Kraft twice paid for and received sexual acts."

    "Decades ago, Floridians embedded their right to public records directly in the founding document of the state. The rule is simple and expansive: If a government agency has a record, it must be made public unless the law expressly saying otherwise. The constitution even goes so far as to say that the right to privacy “shall not be construed to limit the public’s right of access to public records.” This goes for all records, from text messages to drafts of proposals to posts on a city’s Facebook page. This also applies to evidence gathered by law enforcement—in this case videos recorded by Jupiter police of men, including Kraft, receiving sex acts at a the Orchids of Asia during a prostitution investigation."

    "During the court hearing, which lasted more than three hours, I didn’t hear the lawyers cite a single piece of Florida case law. Most of the time was occupied by Burck citing the Fourth Amendment and how its right to avoid unreasonable search and seizure means this particular piece of police evidence isn’t a public record.

    But he didn’t call it police evidence (which it is)—he called it pornography. " .... Burck said, “what is the interest the public has in seeing it?”

    https://weei.radio.com/articles/colu...eleased-public
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    Default Re: Robert Kraft Prosecution ..... Release the Nudes....

    I live in Jupiter where this took place....and yes, I think the video should be released, as it is our state law. But, I also believe the Jupiter police over reached in the original investigation, and wasted a limited local law enforcement resources paid for by my tax dollars.

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    I'm actually kind of mixed on it..but yea agree w/JDD, if it's the state law..
    Jupiter, interesting that's also where Burt Reynolds lived


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    https://sports.yahoo.com/why-robert-...000330226.html

    Excerpt from the article....

    “By continuing his legal fight rather than accepting a plea deal, Kraft ensures the videos remain in legal purgatory—with disclosure possible at any moment. The videos could be disclosed through authorized or unauthorized channels. While Kraft uses the legal process to prevent or at least slow any authorized disclosure, he has much less control over the possibility of unauthorized disclosure. And it may already be too late for him to stop that from occurring.

    As previously discussed on The MMQB, many people who work in some capacity for the town of Jupiter or the state of Florida probably have had access to the videos. The videos are digital files, meaning they can be shared easily by email or text. They can also be copied and stored on computers that host them. The number of copies in existence could already be numerous.

    The videos’ values are likely considerable, perhaps seven figures. While watching a video of someone at a spa engaged in a sexual act is probably unappealing to most, the video would nonetheless attract watchers. Potential viewers include those with voyeuristic interests and those who want to see Kraft humiliated and ridiculed.“

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    I personally don’t want to see it.

    I do think that if judge agrees it should be released based on the Florida laws then it should only be viewed by people who have involvement in the case. If it is released to public it should be heavily redacted

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    Spa patrons reportedly filing class action lawsuit against Florida authorities for their surveillance tactics and to keep the tape private https://boston.cbslocal.com/2019/04/...ction-lawsuit/

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    Default Re: Robert Kraft Prosecution ..... Release the Nudes....

    I tried again to vote, it wouldn't let me.


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    Default Re: Robert Kraft Prosecution ..... Release the Nudes....

    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    Spa patrons reportedly filing class action lawsuit against Florida authorities for their surveillance tactics and to keep the tape private https://boston.cbslocal.com/2019/04/...ction-lawsuit/
    The legal woes for Florida prosecutors keep mounting.

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    Default Re: Robert Kraft Prosecution ..... Release the Nudes....

    Well looks like the footage might get released after all but not right now though.....

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/robert-...er-2019-04-23/

    The protective order https://www.scribd.com/document/4073...otective-Order
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    Default Re: Robert Kraft Prosecution ..... Release the Nudes....

    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    Well looks like the footage might get released after all but not right now though.....

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/robert-...er-2019-04-23/

    The protective order https://www.scribd.com/document/4073...otective-Order
    That may change after the suppression hearing. It could also change based upon the civil suit rolling through a separate courtroom.

    But whichever way the local judges rule on these matters, I doubt that they will have the last word anyway. Both sides have ample reasons to appeal an adverse ruling. I actually believe that it could take months, if not years, before the constitutional issues are finally sorted out.

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    Default Re: Robert Kraft Prosecution ..... Release the Nudes....

    Two words: Duke Lacrosse.

    Everyone is entitled to a fair trial by a jury. Not an ambush by the press. Releasing the videos is using the press to ambush and embarrass the defendant.

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    I do think you’re first sentence is spot on.

    You’re most certainly entitled to your opinion and I might add that defendant feeling embarrassed is not a reason to be exempt from the Florida statues on record keeping IF it is determined the warrant to conduct the surveillance video was legally conducted

    The press was wanting to hold him accountable to the same record keeping laws as other citizens of FL not necessarily to embarrass him (though that probably would come as a side effect if a person embarrasses easily). Other people in similar spa stings had their surveillance tapes released according to the law there (though they have now started a class action lawsuit)

    Technically He’s already been embarrassed just by getting caught and facing public scrutiny but really I don’t think he finds this embarrassing - it’s not like he’s going to lose his wife (rip to her), he won’t lose his job (he’s a billionaire owner) ... he will simply either get off or end up paying fines (which is chump change) .... then keep it moving. Rich people don’t suffer “embarrassing” setbacks like average joe with a lot to lose. They pay for PR clean up and keep it pushing.

    I could be wrong but I think it’s more about the publicity of the case not necessarily dudes feelings. High profile cases seem to be more stickler about fair trial n whatnot

    Plus It’s not like they would have released HD quality penis shots or cinematic audio and visuals ... it is my understanding it would have been fully blurred with no audio.

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    Default Re: Robert Kraft Prosecution ..... Release the Nudes....

    It's possible the NFL could force him to sell the team, but from what I've read, that's not very likely. The former owner of the LA Clippers was forced to sell his team when he got caught making racist remarks. It depends on what's in the contract.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle2 View Post
    It's possible the NFL could force him to sell the team, but from what I've read, that's not very likely. The former owner of the LA Clippers was forced to sell his team when he got caught making racist remarks. It depends on what's in the contract.
    Possible

    But still how many companies a billionaire business owner running?

    Being forced to sell your franchise and being made to leave perhaps might be s bit of a sting but at the end of the day, I highly doubt he will lose a wink of sleep over any of this.

    Matter of fact I bet the publicity will help him get more business if he parlays this situation right

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    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    You’re most certainly entitled to your opinion and I might add that defendant feeling embarrassed is not a reason to be exempt from the Florida statues on record keeping IF it is determined the warrant to conduct the surveillance video was legally conducted[.]
    The Florida statutes do not override the Florida Constitution that guarantees the right to a fair trial. The Florida Statutes do not override the U.S. Constitution that guarantees a right to a fair trial. There will be plenty of time after a trial for the press to get their look at the video surveillance.

    The press was wanting to hold him accountable to the same record keeping laws as other citizens of FL not necessarily to embarrass him (though that probably would come as a side effect if a person embarrasses easily). Other people in similar spa stings had their surveillance tapes released according to the law there (though they have now started a class action lawsuit)[.]
    The press has no right to hold anyone accountable before the criminal trial is done. Other citizens who have been victimized by the press have, as you write, filed suit to stop this hideous practice of the state trying its cases to the media rather than treating defendants fairly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    Possible

    Matter of fact I bet the publicity will help him get more business if he parlays this situation right
    I can see sports fans giving the handjob sign when his team scores!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zofia View Post
    The Florida statutes do not override the Florida Constitution that guarantees the right to a fair trial. The Florida Statutes do not override the U.S. Constitution that guarantees a right to a fair trial. There will be plenty of time after a trial for the press to get their look at the video surveillance.



    The press has no right to hold anyone accountable before the criminal trial is done. Other citizens who have been victimized by the press have, as you write, filed suit to stop this hideous practice of the state trying its cases to the media rather than treating defendants fairly.

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    Trying to keep my response/this thread specifically about the video release.....

    I do think people have rights to fair trial. And for the record no I do not think that paid consensual adult activities conducted responsibly should be punished to this extent.

    However someone created those laws and someone has to enforce them.

    it seems as though part of this relates to the warrant and whether it will be determined if it was conducted within legal realms of the law. My understanding (ill have to find the link) is that there is a certain time frame in which the admissible evidence public records are to be released to the public archives.

    I guess I'm also trying to figure out the legislators reasoning for enacting such laws and statutes such as Florida's record keeping, US Patriot Act, Delayed Search, etc if they go against the constitution. But that may be for another thread.

    These seem to be interesting articles on the topic

    https://digitalcommons.pepperdine.ed...39&context=plr

    https://digitalcommons.law.uga.edu/c...context=fac_pm

    excerpts from the later:

    "Section 213 is not restricted to terrorists or terrorism offenses; it may used in connection with any federal crime, including misdemeanors. Section 213 is one of the provisions of the USA Patriot Act excepted from the Act’s sunset provisions.12 To the extent Section 213 may conflict with Rule 41, Section 213 prevails."

    "Decisional law makes it extremely unlikely that the federal courts will hold that Section 213’s authorization of sneak and peek warrants violates the 4th Amendment."


    IDK - too many twists n turns for my brain to wrap around tonight.....more hats off to the legal professionals who have to decipher all this


    Back this morning .....
    The Florida “Sunshine Law” https://ballotpedia.org/Florida_Gove...dment_1_(1976)

    Kraft challenging the legality of FL sunshine law https://deadspin.com/robert-kraft-is...-to-1833583839
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDD View Post
    I think the video should be released
    you can see old men getting rub down and jerked off by asian women on multiple tube sites
    Are you looking at me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert De Niro View Post
    you can see old men getting rub down and jerked off by asian women on multiple tube sites
    No, pls, NO!
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    you can see old men getting rub down and jerked off by asian women on multiple tube sites
    No thanks.

    Besides this film were to be part of public record I believe it will be heavily edited so probably won’t see much anyways.

    He’s better off pulling a kardashian and linking up with top porn production company to release it himself - he’d be the trailblazers for geriatric xxx

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    How would you divide the profits with the other participant?
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    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    No thanks.

    Besides this film were to be part of public record I believe it will be heavily edited so probably won’t see much anyways.

    He’s better off pulling a kardashian and linking up with top porn production company to release it himself - he’d be the trailblazers for geriatric xxx
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    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    No thanks.


    He’s better off pulling a kardashian and linking up with top porn production company to release it himself - he’d be the trailblazers for geriatric xxx
    They already have it: https://www.pornhub.com/channels/blue-pill-men

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    L.M.A.O!!!

    Wow, he's famous. Oops, he already was.


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