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    Default Re: Robert Kraft Prosecution ..... Release the Nudes....

    ^you are welcome to leave the thread.

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    Default Re: Robert Kraft Prosecution ..... Release the Nudes....

    Miss, are you still operating under the goofy impression that you get to control how others respond in a thread?

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    Default Re: Robert Kraft Prosecution ..... Release the Nudes....

    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    Miss, are you still operating under the goofy impression that you get to control how others respond in a thread?
    Wow! I’ll be surprised the day you can speak your point in an educated way without insults.

    I’m not talking about how you respond in a thread. Except for the odd fact you feel compelled to keep entering the thread at all to respond mainly to argue with women.

    But anyways since you won’t leave, and this is the 3rd time you’ve displayed troll -like behaviors in this thread, I’ll go ahead and report you now

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    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    ^you are welcome to leave the thread.
    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    Wow! I’ll be surprised the day you can speak your point in an educated way without insults.

    I’m not talking about how you respond in a thread. Except for the odd fact you feel compelled to keep entering the thread at all to respond mainly to argue with women.

    But anyways since you won’t leave, and this is the 3rd time you’ve displayed troll -like behaviors in this thread, I’ll go ahead and report you now
    Miss, the fact that you created the thread is irrelevant. Once it is posted, it is an open thread where anyone can comment.

    I keep posting in this thread because I have strong feelings on this topic, as should anyone who participates in adult entertainment. Because if these tactics can be used on defenseless immigrant Asian girls just trying to earn a living and send money back home, they can be used on any of us.

    I bolded that last sentence for your benefit. See why I keep posting?

    I guess some people can't tolerate being disagreed with, so report away dude if you must.

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    If I see a thread you create, I’m not entering because I have no desire to read it because it would be a waste of my time to engage in any debate with you.

    Your bolded sentence - now you are becoming redundant in expressing your opinion at this point.

    Stop trying to pin anything down. And if you’re perceiving something as whiny then again you are free to leave the thread as you have already expressed your view and you’re only coming back in a repetitive manner to be argumentative.

    Anyways have a good memorial weekend and spend time with whomever you have in your live vs. arguing with women online.

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    You do realize too that those videos don't just show the Johns, but also the girls who provided those services, right? Do you think it's ok to post videos and pictures of p4p providers? Man, there's no Ya-Ya Sisterhood vibe coming from you. Do you know how many ladies, like many on this Board, could have that happen to them as well if these sorts of tactics became commonplace?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    ......See why I keep posting?

    I guess some people can't tolerate being disagreed with, so report away dude if you must.
    Nope it’s not about disagreeing. 4 members at least have disagreed. Cool.

    Unlike these intelligent mature members, You on the other hand have problems expressing your thoughts in an educated manner and constantly use insults to try to get your point across.

    Therefore you come into the thread to with trollish intentions.

    Knowing you can leave the thread at anytime you obsessively come back

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    You do realize too that those videos don't just show the Johns, but also the girls who provided those services, right? Do you think it's ok to post videos and pictures of p4p providers? Man, there's no Ya-Ya Sisterhood vibe coming from you. Do you know how many ladies, like many on this Board, could have that happen to them as well if these sorts of tactics became commonplace?
    The thread started with the intent to discuss the Kraft case - just the details of that situation since it became public - but if you want to apply to people on the board then okay express that point in a normal way (cause your message is lost in translation so to speak if you come out the gate with a combative tone) or start a separate thread titled “what ricks opinion is on how Kraft case affects ladies on this board”

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    You do realize too that those videos don't just show the Johns, but also the girls who provided those services, right? Do you think it's ok to post videos and pictures of p4p providers? Man, there's no Ya-Ya Sisterhood vibe coming from you.
    Because I’m trying to look at this from a factual standpoint and I’ve already said I did not agree with law enforcement abusing their power and going above the law.

    The thread was to discuss the Florida Sunshine Law - as it relates to THIS case - where apparently the residents of Florida want pictures n videos of people who are caught up in the court system there. And Kraft just so happened to get caught up there.

    As Zophia mentioned , laws on the state level can clash with the laws in the constitution

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    You do realize too that those videos don't just show the Johns, but also the girls who provided those services, right? Do you think it's ok to post videos and pictures of p4p providers? Man, there's no Ya-Ya Sisterhood vibe coming from you. Do you know how many ladies, like many on this Board, could have that happen to them as well if these sorts of tactics became commonplace?
    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post

    I keep posting in this thread because I have strong feelings on this topic, as should anyone who participates in adult entertainment. Because if these tactics can be used on defenseless immigrant Asian girls just trying to earn a living and send money back home, they can be used on any of us.

    I bolded that last sentence for your benefit. See why I keep posting?

    I guess some people can't tolerate being disagreed with, so report away dude if you must.


    I think maybe you could tone down the thinly veiled insults? Maybe?^

    I know that you take the stance for the workers, but really, you come across for the 'Big $$$ Man" ala RK, the customer!
    Also, thanks for the 'nod' towards the sw stance, but..it feels a LITTLE Fake!


    Hope I didn't leave anything out, though I feel I did..

    I'm sooo busy @ the moment, w/horny online men!
    THANK YOU!


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    Quote Originally Posted by whirlerz View Post
    I know that you take the stance for the workers, but really, you come across for the 'Big $$$ Man" ala RK, the customer!
    Also, thanks for the 'nod' towards the sw stance, but..it feels a LITTLE Fake!
    Do you really believe that the interests of the "Big Money Man" and the sex workers diverge here? When LE pulls this shit, customers and sex workers are in the same frying pan. I'm amazed that this is not obvious by now. If Kraft gets justice, so too do 14 other guys and at least two women facing felony charges, including one who serviced Kraft on one of his visits. If you "Release the Nudes" and put Kraft on public display, you do the same to two different sex workers who do not have Kraft's resources and cannot live forever off of savings.

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    Right, but do YOU really think this type of thing will never happen again, (regardless of this outcome)?

    I live an area FILLED to the brim w/these types of 'spas'..
    Always been that way..
    They make LOTS of $, for the area, then someone gets a wild hair up their butt..
    The very time frame RK got nailed, there was an 'investigation' & news special report of one of these places in my area..
    Despite that, & the fact that this place is 'restricted' area' they're not only still going strong, but have an even bigger sign!

    So.

    They make $ , they pay off, & they get busted to keep the 'straight ppl' happy, then they (courts, lawyers etc) make $ off that!

    So this RK, he's a big name, he got caught up, but the wheel keeps turning!
    A little fanfare for awhile, $ changes hands things die down & go on the same as usual.

    Anyway, have a great weekend everyone, & I must get back to my clamoring group of horn dogs now!


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    Quote Originally Posted by whirlerz View Post
    Right, but do YOU really think this type of thing will never happen again, (regardless of this outcome)?
    As a matter of fact, if this case goes far enough, then yes. Do I think that cops will stop trying to bust spas? Of course not. But will this make them more cautious about the methods they use? I'm guessing yes. Now that three local FL judges have ruled against the surveillance technique, I'm sure that any other LE agency in FL who was considering the same stunt has put the brakes on. I'm also guessing that no FL judge is going to sign another "sneak and peak" warrant for a spa anytime soon after seeing their colleagues embarrassed for doing it. If this thing goes national, then LE in every state will get the message.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    Do you really believe that the interests of the "Big Money Man" and the sex workers diverge here? When LE pulls this shit, customers and sex workers are in the same frying pan. I'm amazed that this is not obvious by now. If Kraft gets justice, so too do 14 other guys and at least two women facing felony charges, including one who serviced Kraft on one of his visits. If you "Release the Nudes" and put Kraft on public display, you do the same to two different sex workers who do not have Kraft's resources and cannot live forever off of savings.
    The title is obviously sensational (and no I’m not always politically correct) and the thread was created before the judges outcome to highlight the concept of Florida Sunshine Laws

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    Quote Originally Posted by whirlerz View Post
    Right, but do YOU really think this type of thing will never happen again, (regardless of this outcome)?

    I live an area FILLED to the brim w/these types of 'spas'..
    Always been that way..
    They make LOTS of $, for the area, then someone gets a wild hair up their butt..
    The very time frame RK got nailed, there was an 'investigation' & news special report of one of these places in my area..
    Despite that, & the fact that this place is 'restricted' area' they're not only still going strong, but have an even bigger sign!

    So.

    They make $ , they pay off, & they get busted to keep the 'straight ppl' happy, then they (courts, lawyers etc) make $ off that!

    So this RK, he's a big name, he got caught up, but the wheel keeps turning!
    A little fanfare for awhile, $ changes hands things die down & go on the same as usual.

    Anyway, have a great weekend everyone, & I must get back to my clamoring group of horn dogs now!
    Exactly! Why would anyone frequent a “hot” spa knowing there was a sting underway.

    That’s like going to buy weed at a hot trap house.

    Most ladies here are wise and research busts/stings in their area before engaging in these activities

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    Default Re: Robert Kraft Prosecution ..... Release the Nudes....

    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    The title is obviously sensational (and no I’m not always politically correct) and the thread was created before the judges outcome to highlight the concept of Florida Sunshine Laws
    Florida Sunshine laws do not apply in this case. Nor do they apply in court records. The following is what the Florida Sunshine Law is by the Attorney General of Florida.

    To assist the public and governmental agencies in understanding the requirements and exemptions to Florida's open government laws, the Attorney General's Office compiles a comprehensive guide known as the Government-in-the-Sunshine manual. The manual is published each year at no taxpayer expense by the First Amendment Foundation in Tallahassee.

    Florida began its tradition of openness back in 1909 with the passage of Chapter 119 of the Florida Statutes or the “Public Records Law.” This law provides that any records made or received by any public agency in the course of its official business are available for inspection, unless specifically exempted by the Florida Legislature. Over the years, the definition of what constitutes “public records” has come to include not just traditional written documents such as papers, maps and books, but also tapes, photographs, film, sound recordings and records stored in computers.

    Florida's Government-in-the-Sunshine Law was enacted in 1967. Today, the Sunshine Law regarding open government can be found in Chapter 286 of the Florida Statutes. These statutes establish a basic right of access to most meetings of boards, commissions and other governing bodies of state and local governmental agencies or authorities.

    Throughout the history of Florida's open government, its courts have consistently supported the public's right of access to governmental meetings and records. As such, they also have been defining and redefining what a public record is and who is covered under the open meetings law. One area of public concern was whether or not the Legislature was covered under the open meetings requirements. To address that concern, a Constitutional amendment was passed overwhelmingly by the voters in 1990 providing for open meetings in the legislative branch of government.

    The Attorney General's Office has consistently sought to safeguard Florida's pioneering Government-in-the-Sunshine laws. Our attorneys have worked, both in the courtroom and out, to halt public records violations. In 1991, a decision by the Florida Supreme Court raised questions which made it clear that the best way to ensure the public's right of access to all three branches of government was to secure that right through the Florida Constitution. The Attorney General's Office then drafted a definitive constitutional amendment, which guaranteed continued openness in the state's government and reaffirmed the application of open government to the legislative branch and expanded it to the judiciary. This amendment passed in 1992.

    and sec 286 as mentioned does not show where court case discovery is listed, so this continued thread for the Florida Sunshine Law is moot.



    CHAPTER 286
    PUBLIC BUSINESS: MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS
    286.001
    Reports statutorily required; filing, maintenance, retrieval, and provision of copies.
    286.0105
    Notices of meetings and hearings must advise that a record is required to appeal.
    286.011
    Public meetings and records; public inspection; criminal and civil penalties.
    286.0111
    Legislative review of certain exemptions from requirements for public meetings and recordkeeping by governmental entities.
    286.0113
    General exemptions from public meetings.
    286.0115
    Access to local public officials; quasi-judicial proceedings on local government land use matters.
    286.012
    Voting requirement at meetings of governmental bodies.
    286.021
    Department of State to hold title to patents, trademarks, copyrights, etc.
    286.031
    Authority of Department of State in connection with patents, trademarks, copyrights, etc.
    286.035
    Constitution Revision Commission; powers of chair; assistance by state and local agencies.
    286.036
    Taxation and Budget Reform Commission; powers.
    286.041
    Prohibited requirements of bidders on contracts for public works relative to income tax returns.
    286.043
    Limitation on use of funds for discriminatory contract or bid specifications relating to car rental concessions at airports.
    286.23
    Real property conveyed to public agency; disclosure of beneficial interests; notice; exemptions.
    286.25
    Publication or statement of state sponsorship.
    286.26
    Accessibility of public meetings to the physically handicapped.
    286.27
    Use of state funds for greeting cards prohibited.
    286.29
    Climate-friendly public business.


    At no time does the Florida Sunshine Law come into play here. And in case you think section 286.11 does matter in this case here is proves it does not.



    286.011 Public meetings and records; public inspection; criminal and civil penalties.—(1) All meetings of any board or commission of any state agency or authority or of any agency or authority of any county, municipal corporation, or political subdivision, except as otherwise provided in the Constitution, including meetings with or attended by any person elected to such board or commission, but who has not yet taken office, at which official acts are to be taken are declared to be public meetings open to the public at all times, and no resolution, rule, or formal action shall be considered binding except as taken or made at such meeting. The board or commission must provide reasonable notice of all such meetings.
    (2) The minutes of a meeting of any such board or commission of any such state agency or authority shall be promptly recorded, and such records shall be open to public inspection. The circuit courts of this state shall have jurisdiction to issue injunctions to enforce the purposes of this section upon application by any citizen of this state.
    (3)(a) Any public officer who violates any provision of this section is guilty of a noncriminal infraction, punishable by fine not exceeding $500.
    (b) Any person who is a member of a board or commission or of any state agency or authority of any county, municipal corporation, or political subdivision who knowingly violates the provisions of this section by attending a meeting not held in accordance with the provisions hereof is guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
    (c) Conduct which occurs outside the state which would constitute a knowing violation of this section is a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

    (4) Whenever an action has been filed against any board or commission of any state agency or authority or any agency or authority of any county, municipal corporation, or political subdivision to enforce the provisions of this section or to invalidate the actions of any such board, commission, agency, or authority, which action was taken in violation of this section, and the court determines that the defendant or defendants to such action acted in violation of this section, the court shall assess a reasonable attorney’s fee against such agency, and may assess a reasonable attorney’s fee against the individual filing such an action if the court finds it was filed in bad faith or was frivolous. Any fees so assessed may be assessed against the individual member or members of such board or commission; provided, that in any case where the board or commission seeks the advice of its attorney and such advice is followed, no such fees shall be assessed against the individual member or members of the board or commission. However, this subsection shall not apply to a state attorney or his or her duly authorized assistants or any officer charged with enforcing the provisions of this section.
    (5) Whenever any board or commission of any state agency or authority or any agency or authority of any county, municipal corporation, or political subdivision appeals any court order which has found said board, commission, agency, or authority to have violated this section, and such order is affirmed, the court shall assess a reasonable attorney’s fee for the appeal against such board, commission, agency, or authority. Any fees so assessed may be assessed against the individual member or members of such board or commission; provided, that in any case where the board or commission seeks the advice of its attorney and such advice is followed, no such fees shall be assessed against the individual member or members of the board or commission.
    (6) All persons subject to subsection (1) are prohibited from holding meetings at any facility or location which discriminates on the basis of sex, age, race, creed, color, origin, or economic status or which operates in such a manner as to unreasonably restrict public access to such a facility.
    (7) Whenever any member of any board or commission of any state agency or authority or any agency or authority of any county, municipal corporation, or political subdivision is charged with a violation of this section and is subsequently acquitted, the board or commission is authorized to reimburse said member for any portion of his or her reasonable attorney’s fees.
    ( Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (1), any board or commission of any state agency or authority or any agency or authority of any county, municipal corporation, or political subdivision, and the chief administrative or executive officer of the governmental entity, may meet in private with the entity’s attorney to discuss pending litigation to which the entity is presently a party before a court or administrative agency, provided that the following conditions are meta) The entity’s attorney shall advise the entity at a public meeting that he or she desires advice concerning the litigation.
    (b) The subject matter of the meeting shall be confined to settlement negotiations or strategy sessions related to litigation expenditures.
    (c) The entire session shall be recorded by a certified court reporter. The reporter shall record the times of commencement and termination of the session, all discussion and proceedings, the names of all persons present at any time, and the names of all persons speaking. No portion of the session shall be off the record. The court reporter’s notes shall be fully transcribed and filed with the entity’s clerk within a reasonable time after the meeting.
    (d) The entity shall give reasonable public notice of the time and date of the attorney-client session and the names of persons who will be attending the session. The session shall commence at an open meeting at which the persons chairing the meeting shall announce the commencement and estimated length of the attorney-client session and the names of the persons attending. At the conclusion of the attorney-client session, the meeting shall be reopened, and the person chairing the meeting shall announce the termination of the session.
    (e) The transcript shall be made part of the public record upon conclusion of the litigation.

    History.—s. 1, ch. 67-356; s. 159, ch. 71-136; s. 1, ch. 78-365; s. 6, ch. 85-301; s. 33, ch. 91-224; s. 1, ch. 93-232; s. 210, ch. 95-148; s. 1, ch. 95-353; s. 2, ch. 2012-25.


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    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    Exactly! Why would anyone frequent a “hot” spa knowing there was a sting underway.

    That’s like going to buy weed at a hot trap house.

    Most ladies here are wise and research busts/stings in their area before engaging in these activities


    Where does one go to get advance notice of an undercover sting or, even better, sealed FISA warrants like the one used by Jupiter Police? Seriously now, you may have a lot to teach the Other Work ladies - here's hoping that you open an instructive thread right away.

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    Where does one go to get advance notice of an undercover sting or, even better, sealed FISA warrants like the one used by Jupiter Police? Seriously now, you may have a lot to teach the Other Work ladies - here's hoping that you open an instructive thread right away.
    The other spas in Fl that got busted right before this one were in the news as public record.

    https://www.tcpalm.com/story/news/cr...on/2914137002/

    https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/...398946181.html this was 2016

    https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/...itution-arrest 2017

    https://miami.cbslocal.com/2018/02/1...itution-sting/ 2018

    https://www.wfla.com/news/3-women-ar...ting/994872334 2017

    https://www.wptv.com/news/region-ind...n-river-county March 2019

    I could go on but you get the point.

    Simple google search = “fl spa stings” or “fl spa raids” will show there is apparently a “war on unregulated adult work specifically adult massage parlors” thus a high risk for anyone who participates in that region

    I’m quite sure The ladies in other work already know how to conduct their business in a way that minimizes risk - unlike Kraft - so there is no need to be the spokesman for nor be condescending towards those who have experience in that area.
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    Look! A Giant Sunfish: does he care bout RK? I don't think so..
    Check him out! He only weighs in oh, just over a ton, possibly 2!



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    W, you still believe that this is still about one guy?

    Contrary to Miss' highly unlikely belief that girls are researching several years of random sting information statewide and then extrapolating where the next one might be , this is an issue that affects many on this board. It is about our protections against LE overreach. Yes it happens to be Kraft who is fighting the fight, but the issue is one with widespread impact.

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    https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...outputType=amp

    These videotapes are not currently judicial records and they are not currently public records,’’ Hanser wrote.

    Hanser identified three specific legal questions he wants the appellate judges — who are one rung below the Florida Supreme Court — to address:

    ■ Does Kraft have the legal standing to invoke his Fourth Amendment privacy rights to the “sneak and peek” search warrant obtained by Jupiter police with the approval of a judge?

    ■ Did Hanser get it wrong, and in fact Jupiter police and Aronberg’s office made the right legal moves by using the “sneak and peek” search warrant?

    ■ Did the “boxer short rule” used by Jupiter Police Detective Andrew Sharp to decide when the cameras were turned off meet constitutional muster? Sharp testified if a client dropped their boxer shorts, police recorded the interaction.

    It was not immediately known what schedule the Fourth District Court of Appeals will lay out for the Kraft case, which also impacts hundreds of other men arrested in neighboring Florida counties where authorities also used “sneak and peek” electronic surveillance techniques they said was needed to investigate human trafficking.

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    It will be interesting to see how this ends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...outputType=amp

    These videotapes are not currently judicial records and they are not currently public records,’’ Hanser wrote.

    Hanser identified three specific legal questions he wants the appellate judges — who are one rung below the Florida Supreme Court — to address:

    ■ Does Kraft have the legal standing to invoke his Fourth Amendment privacy rights to the “sneak and peek” search warrant obtained by Jupiter police with the approval of a judge?

    ■ Did Hanser get it wrong, and in fact Jupiter police and Aronberg’s office made the right legal moves by using the “sneak and peek” search warrant?

    ■ Did the “boxer short rule” used by Jupiter Police Detective Andrew Sharp to decide when the cameras were turned off meet constitutional muster? Sharp testified if a client dropped their boxer shorts, police recorded the interaction.

    It was not immediately known what schedule the Fourth District Court of Appeals will lay out for the Kraft case, which also impacts hundreds of other men arrested in neighboring Florida counties where authorities also used “sneak and peek” electronic surveillance techniques they said was needed to investigate human trafficking.
    Two points:
    I get legit massages without boxers, so in my opinion that is not a good go/no-go for recording.
    If you're OK with the 'sneak and peek' hidden camera approach, you should be OK with them protruding into just about anywhere. Dark corners or the VIP rooms at strip clubs.
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    What if the client was wearing briefs?

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