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    Friends, please tell me which medical university is best to choose?

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    For what?

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    Texas is cheap for university. Also malpractice insurance isn’t too bad in Texas. Plus good place to strip if your stripping through school.

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    There in Ukraine, where you are? I was just in Kyiv but I have never been to your particular oblast. If you are asking about US medical schools, well, then, I suppose Harvard.
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    Hey on a serious note, I hope you'll enroll in med school. The planet has an overwhelming shortage of doctors.

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    It is very difficult to get in to medical school in the US. Even people with perfect scores and grades are rejected. You need a 3.6 minimum with 30 hours of biology, chemistry, statistics, physics, and calculus. You also need at least a 515 on the MCAT, which is the toughest of the standardized tests. The minimum means you might be accepted to North Dakota. For Harvard, even if you have 3.9 and 523 that is no guarantee. Some people have extenuating circumstances that may help them get accepted.
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    For med school as long as you get in, you are set and if you don't drop out

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    You do not need a 515 on the MCAT. For US MD, the median is hovering around a 512 and varies dramatically by school. The accepted ranges are even larger, some mid-tier schools accept betweeen a 502 and 518.
    GPA is a similar story. They are pushing holistic review more, and extracurriculars and background are becoming more important.

    DO schools accept even lower stats and are even more on the "whole applicant" train. I think their MCAT averages are around a 504.

    All of this is moot as the OP is not even in this country. I dont know why he is asking here in his third post...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selina M View Post
    You do not need a 515 on the MCAT. For US MD, the median is hovering around a 512 and varies dramatically by school. The accepted ranges are even larger, some mid-tier schools accept betweeen a 502 and 518.
    GPA is a similar story. They are pushing holistic review more, and extracurriculars and background are becoming more important.

    DO schools accept even lower stats and are even more on the "whole applicant" train. I think their MCAT averages are around a 504.

    All of this is moot as the OP is not even in this country. I dont know why he is asking here in his third post...
    Disagree - very few people get in with less than a 505 unless you're talking osteopathic, and even then that is rare. Here's a chart here for MDs with each school:
    MCAT Scores - US Medical Schools
    As you can see almost no school has an average admission lower than 3.7. And you want to be ABOVE the average to have a good chance at admission. They might consider extras in the interview but to even get the interview you have to impress them with good GPA and MCAT.
    Here's the full chart; MCAT and GPA Grid for Applicants and Acceptees to U.S. Medical Schools, 2017-2018 through 2018-2019 (aggregated)
    to have 60% chance of admission to ANY school (overall odds), you need a 3.4-3.6 and 514-517. Not sure where you're getting your data but this is straight from AAMC.
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    ^extras?

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    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    ^extras?
    Poor choice of words on my part - I ought to have said extenuating circumstances
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    And if you can't get into medical school, consider getting into law school and becoming a medical malpractice attorney that sues negligent doctors. It can be as financially rewarding as being a doctor.

    Another alternative is vet school. If you make a mistake that kills your patient, you will only pay a tiny fraction of what a doctor has to pay when his/her mistakes kill a person.
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    People who can not get into vet school go to medical school, not the other way around.

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    Relevant- my neighbor is a doctor and he has expressed how much burnout makes him unhappy. The high pay comes at a person cost for most doctors.

    That being said, North America is drastically short on doctors. It's causing serious problems.

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    Disagree - very few people get in with less than a 505 unless you're talking osteopathic, and even then that is rare. Here's a chart here for MDs with each school:
    MCAT Scores - US Medical Schools
    As you can see almost no school has an average admission lower than 3.7. And you want to be ABOVE the average to have a good chance at admission. They might consider extras in the interview but to even get the interview you have to impress them with good GPA and MCAT.
    Here's the full chart; MCAT and GPA Grid for Applicants and Acceptees to U.S. Medical Schools, 2017-2018 through 2018-2019 (aggregated)
    to have 60% chance of admission to ANY school (overall odds), you need a 3.4-3.6 and 514-517. Not sure where you're getting your data but this is straight from AAMC.
    I literally can't believe I'm the only person on this forum actually going through this process and I'm having to defend & argue my information.

    I have the MSAR which is put out by the AAMC you are quoting, and has data on every single US & Canadian MD school from the prior year's cycle. Many, many schools have huge ranges like that. Several schools that only accept from their own state (usually lower SES/educated states) have incredibly low averages, as do the historically black colleges & those in Puerto Rico if you happen to speak Spanish.

    I would screenshot & post an example for you, but AAMC is psychotic & freaks out when they catch people sharing info from MSAR If you care to pay ~$35, you can have a look for yourself. Check out Tulane, Carle Illinois, Mercer, Rosalind Franklin, Michigan State (they took someone with a 499 last year!). Those are just a small sampling of the schools with 12-20 point MCAT spreads, and their GPA spreads are pretty damn huge too. Look at Meharry, Marshall University, Howard, U of Mississippi, LSU Shreveport for super low MCAT medians.

    I did not say a 502 was an *mean* or a *median* for all medical schools. The AAMC publicly available data is usually referring to every single medical school combined and is generally an *average*. I am saying there huge ranges and that your MCAT & GPA are no longer the only factors. They want you to list FIFTEEN experiences, write essays on why 3 of them were meaningful to you, write a 5300 character personal statement, and now some schools are requiring a situational ethics & morality exam. Yes, it is stupid competitive but people are not automatically screwed with lower numbers... Obviously Harvard or Johns Hopkins won't touch them, but there are plenty of schools who will look at them.

    DO schools do average much lower. I can name half a dozen right now that have an *average* of 505 or lower. That info is straight from each school's admissions department, which I had to tediously collect on my own since AACOMAS does not offer an MSAR equivalent.Their average GPA is around a 3.5, some going higher & some lower of course.

    Grades & MCAT are your foot in the door. The interview and your extracurriculars are very important. Hell, your skin color and background is important, you get brownie points for an interesting life story or being any color besides white or Asian, or coming from a dirt poor family. Some interviews are totally closed file anyway, the person cannot see your grades or scores, it's just used as a 'screen' at those places. It would be stupid to dismiss everything else but grades & scores.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SnuffleUffleGrass View Post

    That being said, North America is drastically short on doctors. It's causing serious problems.
    The irony of that is that the AAMC literally sent an email out begging people to apply a few weeks ago. It was hilarious and got roasted on premed forums... Like, what do you think we're trying to do? Oh yeah, become doctors. They don't have nearly enough schools or large enough classes, nor do they have enough residency slots.
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    ^^I already said that DOst. schools are easier to get into - that is where pre-med programs route you if you don't have the grades, I'm speaking about allopathic. I'm quite familiar with this process, I wouldn't quote anything if I wasn't. Here is another good source:

    Student Doctor Network

    You can search by GPA, MCAT, and LizzyM. Students put down their info about interviews they attended and the actual GPAs they needed to matriculate. The only schools below 3.5 are osteopathic and Caribbean, or eastern VA Medical, which lists its GPA as 3.4. You may have circumstances that allow you to matriculate with different GPA or MCAT. These are statistics that cover everyone else, put out by AAMC and other trusted orgs.
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