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    Angry Scumbag Club Owner!

    I am so frustrated right now! I work at 2 clubs and the one club I work at, the Owner is a total POS. Yeah I know, it’s part of the industry, nothing new, but I needed to vent and get some opinions...so he lives in another state and is never actually at the club. The manager runs it while he’s living 2+ hours away in his home state. But get this, he watches the cameras in the VIP rooms while he’s at home (I don’t know what technology he uses, but he’s able to do this). And he has the nerve to complain and criticize about what we do in the VIPs.

    Like tonight he texted my manager and told her to yell at me for giving a customer a kiss on the neck (nothing explicit or gross, we do clean dances here!), and that if I do it again I get sent home, and that he’s watching me! I tell her okay, I won’t do it again, but now he’s texting me saying text me when u get a chance, I need to talk...wtf?!? The manager already talked to me! Don’t harass me while im at work! I didn’t respond to his text, and I don’t think I’m going to. What would you do in this situation, and do you think its right for me to just ignore him?

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    That’s extremely abusive. Just like giving into a toddler the behavior will get worse if you give in. If you can ignore him you should do that. Save the texts and document and maybe you can get a class action lawsuit. Even if you think you don’t want to sue him now at least save any evidence in case you change your mind one day. This shit needs to stop with owners thinking they can abuse us. The only way I’ve seen it change is with lawsuits. Trust me I understand most of just want to get paid and move on and sweep it under the rug because we are vulnerable and we have so much crap going on it’s easier to just cope than stand up to these abusers.

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    ^Thanks, I’m just gonna be more cautious at work so that he has nothing to bother me about (even though he shouldn’t anyway!) and just ignore the hell out of him! Everyone else at my work is cool, the managers cool too, but she has to enforce his bullshit rules

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    Ugh. There is one club I disliked especially because of the owner always chilling there and trying to be a “cult of personality” and lecturing us dancers to be elegant and have our hair and nails done (it’s a club one step down from the other two top clubs in the city, which lectures no such thing) He also occasionally monitors the floor making sure we aren’t grinding too much but practically encourages extras in VIP and indeed it’s a known extras club. Oh and a few of his “good customers” he would encourage to come in were absolute slime bags to the point I felt uncomfortable being around there.

    And he was always there every night. Despite the extras in that club, there had been other things I liked about that club and I’d have been more willing to have stuck around if he didn’t feel the need to just hang out there for multiple hours...

    Just adding my own rant in there. Which is tame in comparison to yours. I don’t have much useful advice except to say that sucks and hopefully it all blows over soon :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by EastCoastDancer01 View Post
    I am so frustrated right now! I work at 2 clubs and the one club I work at, the Owner is a total POS. Yeah I know, it’s part of the industry, nothing new, but I needed to vent and get some opinions...so he lives in another state and is never actually at the club. The manager runs it while he’s living 2+ hours away in his home state. But get this, he watches the cameras in the VIP rooms while he’s at home (I don’t know what technology he uses, but he’s able to do this). And he has the nerve to complain and criticize about what we do in the VIPs.

    Like tonight he texted my manager and told her to yell at me for giving a customer a kiss on the neck (nothing explicit or gross, we do clean dances here!), and that if I do it again I get sent home, and that he’s watching me! I tell her okay, I won’t do it again, but now he’s texting me saying text me when u get a chance, I need to talk...wtf?!? The manager already talked to me! Don’t harass me while im at work! I didn’t respond to his text, and I don’t think I’m going to. What would you do in this situation, and do you think its right for me to just ignore him?
    Yes, ignore him as much as possible. And if he confronts you about, just say you don't have the phone to text.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EastCoastDancer01 View Post
    .....but now he’s texting me saying text me when u get a chance, I need to talk...wtf?!?
    I'd say what is this in regards to (in the most professional choice of words)....or discreetly get the lawyer on deck to see if what they are doing is legal and how to best respond

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    Thanks for all the input. I’m going to work again tonight in a few minutes, and I’m hoping nothing bad happens because I really need the money right now...wish me luck, I’m going to start researching lawyers just in case shit hits the ceiling. He actually had the nerve to say that I was making out with the customer! WTF?! Honestly though, even if I did that it wouldn’t matter because that’s not illegal, but I’m pretty sure what he’s doing is illegal! And it’s not like I’m having sex with dudes or sucking them off in the VIPs! Jeez...

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    Quote Originally Posted by EastCoastDancer01 View Post
    Yeah I know, it’s part of the industry, nothing new
    Please don't say this! When you say this, not only do you negate your own traumatic and abusive experience, you do so to other girls as well and perpetuate the attitude that we are powerless to change this industry and somehow "deserve it" because the industry we work in is "sleazy" (it's only sleazy bc of attitudes like this!). What the owner did is not okay. You are in IPE, you work how you want. It is creepy and invasive to watch your workers from your home, and in any other industry, there would be an OUTRAGE.

    You have rights. There is a dancer union called EDG that allows you to benefit from the union if you register as an LLC, and still remain an independent contractor. This protects you from getting fired illegally and the more girls who join, the more power we have to put a stop to this shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EastCoastDancer01 View Post
    Thanks for all the input. I’m going to work again tonight in a few minutes, and I’m hoping nothing bad happens because I really need the money right now...wish me luck, I’m going to start researching lawyers just in case shit hits the ceiling. He actually had the nerve to say that I was making out with the customer! WTF?! Honestly though, even if I did that it wouldn’t matter because that’s not illegal, but I’m pretty sure what he’s doing is illegal! And it’s not like I’m having sex with dudes or sucking them off in the VIPs! Jeez...
    I would just act highly offended and do not admit anything (cause camera angles can make things look like something it’s not)

    plus is that even legal for him to be lurking vip rooms via remote video ?

    I could understand monitoring for illegal activity (but just as we “debated” in that thread about adult spas) video monitoring in private areas has to be done in a certain way to be legal.

    Regardless- You May want to review the local statues regarding adult business/prostitution (cause some places consider damn near EVERYTHING as prostitution and illegal activity) and keep some legal protection money on deck
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    Years ago I watched a reality show "Sunset Tan" & the owners could watch the salons from home..
    Different biz, but j/s.
    The episodes are on YouTube, some are hilarious!
    I worked in a small dive sc, the owner wasn't in a lot, but he was a complete jerk..
    He once threw out a bunch of paying customers cause they weren't drinking fast enough???

    Anyway, try not to let it get to you, make your $$$ & good luck!


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    Why does the owner personally contact dancers on their phones in the first place? This seems really inappropriate.

    This is a classic case of micro management and then demeaning his own managers by telling them to do something and then making a point of "reprimanding" dancers himself.

    I swear some strip clubs are in desperate NEED of a "bar rescue TV show type of scenario" where someone comes in and hands the owner and management their own ass on a silver platter.

    I have found that in clubs where management is known to hang as well as their friends/family, are usually an awful place to work and has work place politics like no other. It is creepy and unprofessional. There was a club in Vegas that shut down for extras, and the owner and his father would be there on a nightly basis. The father would always sit and have so many girls around him. Both father and son would abuse their power and sexually harass any woman within 2 feet. If a woman spoke up she would of course be fired.

    I don't know but IMHO more people need to practice work is work and home is home. Sounds like this dude is just perving off while watching the cameras. Unless you did anything illegal, there was no reason for him to have you reprimanded and absolutely no reason for him to text you. He obviously does not trust any of his employees to do their jobs as well, which is awful for morale and leads to people having no respect for their authority.

    Another club in Vegas the owner is present, but he is far too busy to get involved in trivial matters like this. However he does micro manage. Every week like clock work the GM and other managers are berated for an hour during a staff meeting. The son and his gf are constantly at the club, partying and picking up dancers to bring home with them. To each their own, but haven't they ever heard "Don't shit where you eat?" They are always sloppy drunk, hitting on dancers and even employees of the club, all the while extras run rampant and the club is basically falling apart. Must be amazing to have millions of dollars. They own a chain of clubs and the one in Vegas suffers but its ok because their other clubs actually make money, mostly because their other clubs are one of a few in smaller cities. If not the only club in that city.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whirlerz View Post
    Years ago I watched a reality show "Sunset Tan" & the owners could watch the salons from home..
    Different biz, but j/s.
    The episodes are on YouTube, some are hilarious!
    I worked in a small dive sc, the owner wasn't in a lot, but he was a complete jerk..
    He once threw out a bunch of paying customers cause they weren't drinking fast enough???

    Anyway, try not to let it get to you, make your $$$ & good luck!
    I remember that show.

    The first thing that popped to mind, when she said dude was lurking remotely was that movie with Alec Baldwin i think who was a landlord and would watch his residents on “security” camera monitors but be jacking off n shit while being a slick voyeur

    https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0108162/

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    Sliver? & Sharon Stone was in it?


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    Quote Originally Posted by EastCoastDancer01 View Post
    I am so frustrated right now! I work at 2 clubs and the one club I work at, the Owner is a total POS. Yeah I know, it’s part of the industry, nothing new, but I needed to vent and get some opinions...so he lives in another state and is never actually at the club. The manager runs it while he’s living 2+ hours away in his home state. But get this, he watches the cameras in the VIP rooms while he’s at home (I don’t know what technology he uses, but he’s able to do this). And he has the nerve to complain and criticize about what we do in the VIPs.

    Like tonight he texted my manager and told her to yell at me for giving a customer a kiss on the neck (nothing explicit or gross, we do clean dances here!), and that if I do it again I get sent home, and that he’s watching me! I tell her okay, I won’t do it again, but now he’s texting me saying text me when u get a chance, I need to talk...wtf?!? The manager already talked to me! Don’t harass me while im at work! I didn’t respond to his text, and I don’t think I’m going to. What would you do in this situation, and do you think its right for me to just ignore him?
    its his club.....he is ALLOWING you to work there !!

    you don't have the right to work there, he is LETTING you work there,

    if you don't like working there, LEAVE!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tina4u View Post
    its his club.....he is ALLOWING you to work there !!

    you don't have the right to work there, he is LETTING you work there,

    if you don't like working there, LEAVE!!
    I’m an independent contractor, so even though it’s his club, he is not my boss. And even if he was, it doesn’t give him the right to do shit like that, or make it okay for him to do. Leaving the club isn’t an option for me right now because it is the only nearby club in my area that is decent to work at. Besides him, there are many things about the club that I like such as my coworkers, the customers, location, and the money. I shouldn’t have to leave because of some scumbags poor, micro managing behavior...luckily I don’t have to deal with much since he is never actually at the club. But regardless, what he does is NOT okay! And I made this thread to get some support and suggestions from non judgmental people who empathize and understand what I’m going through

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    Quote Originally Posted by EastCoastDancer01 View Post
    I’m an independent contractor, so even though it’s his club, he is not my boss. And even if he was, it doesn’t give him the right to do shit like that, or make it okay for him to do. Leaving the club isn’t an option for me right now because it is the only nearby club in my area that is decent to work at. Besides him, there are many things about the club that I like such as my coworkers, the customers, location, and the money. I shouldn’t have to leave because of some scumbags poor, micro managing behavior...luckily I don’t have to deal with much since he is never actually at the club. But regardless, what he does is NOT okay! And I made this thread to get some support and suggestions from non judgmental people who empathize and understand what I’m going through
    No you shouldn’t have to leave but sometime shitty managers end up running off good people. Or sometimes people take their talents where they will be appreciated

    If you prefer to stay there, You still may want to have some options though (whether it be other clubs or other businesses, other investments, etc) just in case cause that is real freedom - when you can walk out if you’ve had enough of the shenanigans just like walking off mid sentence from shitty customers cause there are other better customers available

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    Quote Originally Posted by tina4u View Post
    its his club.....he is ALLOWING you to work there !!

    you don't have the right to work there, he is LETTING you work there,

    if you don't like working there, LEAVE!!
    This is the #metoo era it’s okay to expect to be treated with dignity and respect in the workplace. This is a support group.

    To the OP. Yes, sometimes being in a vulnerable group means walking away because that’s where your power is. I got my license as a CNA and a PT just so I have walk away power. I’m sorry. Pleas take care of yourself. The ignore list is an awesome tool.
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    Thankfully I do have other things as backup...the other club I work at is great, it’s just really far away from me. But I can handle driving there for a little bit longer! I have had ‘’normal’’ jobs before in customer service, and enough of an education that I can get decent jobs. I just got through a pre licensing course for Life, Accident, and Health Insurance in my state and I’m currently working on passing the state exam. When I do, I get my license and in August, I want to take another insurance course for Personal Lines/P&C. When I get that license I want to start applying for insurance jobs and start my new career. But I want to enjoy the summer as much as I can and make good money at both of my clubs until the end of summer when I try to begin my career in insurance. That’s why I’m just ‘’sticking it out’’ for now

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    It’s good for a dancers self-esteem and safety plan to have other options is all I was saying. Sounds like you have a plan beautiful.

    Just remember people like that are really miserable creatures and will mostly likely die alone. he has to get his fix by abusing his staff, so he can feel better about his pathetic existence.

    Stack that cash and know that you’ll get the last laugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EastCoastDancer01 View Post
    I’m an independent contractor, so even though it’s his club, he is not my boss.
    it doesn't matter,

    he owns the place, he makes the rules, you dont,

    even though you are a contractor you are still working for him, do you not pay a house fee? do you not tip out at the end of the night?

    i am sure at least one of those apply, so that is payment to ALLOW you to work there.....so yes you ARE working for him

    if i hire somebody to renovate my house, they are a contractor too, i am not their boss, but when i am ALLOWING THEM to work in MY HOUSE your damn right they are going to follow my rules, and do things the way i want them done!!.....and if they dont like it they can leave and i will find somebody else that will do things my way......understand??

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    Quote Originally Posted by tina4u View Post
    it doesn't matter,

    he owns the place, he makes the rules, you dont,

    even though you are a contractor you are still working for him, do you not pay a house fee? do you not tip out at the end of the night?

    i am sure at least one of those apply, so that is payment to ALLOW you to work there.....so yes you ARE working for him

    if i hire somebody to renovate my house, they are a contractor too, i am not their boss, but when i am ALLOWING THEM to work in MY HOUSE your damn right they are going to follow my rules, and do things the way i want them done!!.....and if they dont like it they can leave and i will find somebody else that will do things my way......understand??
    Why so angry? This is a supportive atmosphere. We all build each other up here and treat each other with kindness, respect and sensitivity. If you prefer working for people like that, and wish to defend people like that, that is your right. But most people do not and do not appreciate being talked to that way. If that is how you wish to talk to people and your mentality in regards to being a boss, you need to accept the fact that most people aren’t gonna want to work with you and you’ll likely end up doing things all by yourself. Thank you to everyone for all the kind, supportive words and help! I will quit this job at the end of summer when I start my new career. And the scumbag club owner will lose his top earner and probably a lot more girls and struggle to stay in business, that is what tends to happen to people like that
    P.S we don’t pay a house fee there and tipout is optional and not enforced. I never pay the club money when I feel disrespected!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tina4u View Post
    it doesn't matter,

    he owns the place, he makes the rules, you dont,

    even though you are a contractor you are still working for him, do you not pay a house fee? do you not tip out at the end of the night?

    i am sure at least one of those apply, so that is payment to ALLOW you to work there.....so yes you ARE working for him

    if i hire somebody to renovate my house, they are a contractor too, i am not their boss, but when i am ALLOWING THEM to work in MY HOUSE your damn right they are going to follow my rules, and do things the way i want them done!!.....and if they dont like it they can leave and i will find somebody else that will do things my way......understand??

    Actually, you don't seem to understand. You have the positions reversed.

    The contractor (dancer) is renting the space from a landlord (club) which makes the contractor the club's client.

    A smart owner will appreciate a good client who works her assigned shifts and pays her rent without drama.

    Although I was quiet during my long dancing tenure, I stood my ground with slimy owners.

    I always assessed my value and spelled it out for them numerically if needed.

    One man called me into his office one day and said "honey, when are you putting out for me?"

    I replied "I've worked at your club for almost two years, five days a week continually and paid you close to -----" (don't want to say actual figure).

    I then said "When are you putting out for me?" He started laughing and never bothered me again.

    Money talks with these guys, and they don't want to lose their income stream.

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    Yeah you would think club owners and staff would appreciate their top earners! But no, they try to fuck with me instead. I did a VIP a few days ago and had my hands close to my crotch area but my fingers were NOT inside there, I wasn’t doing anything scandalous! And the bartender of all people comes up and interrupts my dance and yells at me in front of the customer...’’get your hands out of there, or I end the dance!’’ I literally just stared her down. How dare you!!! The customer even said how unprofessional and rude she was for doing that. I don’t know if the owner ‘’told’’ her to do it or not, but this shit has got to stop! We are a full nude club, and no one here does anything illegal. I don’t appreciate having any staff member be able to reprimand me! But the scumbag owner seems to give permission out to do so, and for no good reason other than to fuck with us!! He also just made a new rule, no standing on the couches in VIP, which literally EVERYONE does (without shoes on of course) but only made that new rule on a day when I was the only person to get a VIP...hmmmmm...?!?!

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