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    This is something that has been bugging me but I haven’t wanted to be a complete asshole about it on Twitter. The Adult Performers Actors Guild is a “union” for sex workers and adult entertainers. But my feeling is that they’re not an actual Union because they don’t provide legal protections or benefits. So what they’re charging for (that I see) is the ability to be noisy on social media and lead “strikes” from Instagram who already doesn’t want us there. This type of thing can be done grassroots by anyone.

    I do think it’s impressive that they have gotten a meeting with “representatives” from Facebook/Insta. I’m not sure however what representative means. And do these representatives think that they’re meeting with an actual union?

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    I’m seeing on their site now that they are recognized by the department of labor so there may be more to it than I realize. I gotta figure out exactly what more...


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    I think they're legit. They're federally recognized and are working on health insurance: http://apagunion.com/performer-conce...lth-insurance/

    From the site: "We are working to ensure that performers are treated as employees. We will be helping to set up proper pay and benefits structures so that every performer has access to health insurance, disability, social security, and the means to see a financially secure future. While these issues may seem simple, a formality that most of today’s society enjoys with their employment status, performers have been robbed of these basic necessities."







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    Quote Originally Posted by HaydenBlue View Post
    I think they're legit. They're federally recognized and are working on health insurance: http://apagunion.com/performer-conce...lth-insurance/

    From the site: "We are working to ensure that performers are treated as employees. We will be helping to set up proper pay and benefits structures so that every performer has access to health insurance, disability, social security, and the means to see a financially secure future. While these issues may seem simple, a formality that most of today’s society enjoys with their employment status, performers have been robbed of these basic necessities."
    Okay maybe it’s just in the baby stages and needs some time. I’ll give them that.


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    They've been active since at least 2017 (though their site has a copyright of 2014). While I see them doing great things for porn stars (helping them get out of bad contracts and whatnot) & say they're inclusive to all branches of the adult industry, I have yet to see them really do anything to help cammers specifically (petition sites for higher percentages, make them offer a healthcare stipend if you work x amount of hours or make x amount monthly, offer health care plans through the union, etc.) other than get a number of insta accounts back.

    Whilst that's no small feat & I applaud them for going after a company who was clearly behaving in a discriminatory manner, I'm willing to bet many performers in all realms of sexwork would much prefer affordable insurance or better pay. When they actually have their own union health insurance option available & it's of better value than marketplace OR petition low percentage sites to treat models better OR help us get healthcare stipends, I'll jump on that bus asap and support them all the way. Until then, I see no reason to do anything but stay in my lane.

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    I think it’s possible that they may simply have not had much contact with people who make a living primarily from camming without dabbling in porn too; and that they don’t know what our specific needs and wants are. After all, this is the first we’re hearing of it. Plus porn is the public face of the adult entertainment industry; the rest of us tend to hide in the shadows or work alone. Isolation seems to be a frequent issue among cammodels—quite a few of us shop online, do almost everything else online, and rarely go out. And many of us don’t give others a very accurate portrayal of what we actually do for work because of the stigma; we call ourselves customer service agents, say we’re freelancing, tell others we haven’t left a previous job, or convince others that a vanilla side job is a sole source of income. Maybe they just need to hear from us.

    Has anyone reached out to them? Recently or in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serena113 View Post
    I think it’s possible that they may simply have not had much contact with people who make a living primarily from camming without dabbling in porn too; and that they don’t know what our specific needs and wants are. After all, this is the first we’re hearing of it. Plus porn is the public face of the adult entertainment industry; the rest of us tend to hide in the shadows or work alone. Isolation seems to be a frequent issue among cammodels—quite a few of us shop online, do almost everything else online, and rarely go out. And many of us don’t give others a very accurate portrayal of what we actually do for work because of the stigma; we call ourselves customer service agents, say we’re freelancing, tell others we haven’t left a previous job, or convince others that a vanilla side job is a sole source of income. Maybe they just need to hear from us.

    Has anyone reached out to them? Recently or in the past.
    Their sergeant at arms is a well known porn star turned top cammer on streamate. Their treasurer is also a part time cam model. There is no lack of high ranking representation on their board; their focus is just not on cam models wants or needs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caramelcraze View Post
    Their sergeant at arms is a well known porn star turned top cammer on streamate. Their treasurer is also a part time cam model. There is no lack of high ranking representation on their board; their focus is just not on cam models wants or needs.
    Gotcha. That’s kinda messed up. I still think it may be worth making some noise and even calling them out if need be. Especially if they’re preaching about fairness and representing sexworkers rather than simply saying porn actors/actresses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serena113 View Post
    Gotcha. That’s kinda messed up. I still think it may be worth making some noise and even calling them out if need be. Especially if they’re preaching about fairness and representing sexworkers rather than simply saying porn actors/actresses.
    Good point.


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    They certainly have have cheerleaders and fans on Twitter who are cam performers despite not being served by them.


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    I did ask about a issue I need personal help with and if they can help. I was given the twitter handle of someone else on the board.
    I will let you know the outcome even if its just helping me find a new provider
    ^^^ I have more issues with health providers and I simply want to report them for NOT being friendly

    I have AAA and get the same discounts so that doesnt sway me


    Instagram is a good and pretty big for a small union to take on.
    They are dealing w a condom issue so they are standing with performers on that
    Xbiz recognizes them.

    ive only seen the tweets ive retweeted lol thats my info

    I see the 125 fee as recognizing that performer takes his/her job seriously. its our career
    I havent paid yet so I can give very little opinion

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    I see that they were talking about cam site percentages today. I'd be super jazzed if they managed to raise the tip rate on SM, but I'd be more excited if they raised our ppm payout percentage. That would mean so much more long term.

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    They seem to love drama and arguing with anyone who tweets at them. I just wish they weren't so unprofessional if they are trying to represent us.
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    I am in Canada,

    I just see them as social media entertainment right now.

    Been at this webcam thing too long I know cam sites are only looking at their bottom line and that is if they are making a profit and how can they make a profit.

    When I started on cam I was getting 50% it is now 32% when cams.com opened they were 70% I missed getting 70% from cams by a few years


    IF they can get cam sites to change their pay structure on getting more out of tips then private chats I would be happy. do I think it's going to happen not really.
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    I had to mute them on Twitter, lots of arguing and opinions that should have been said on a personal account. Really unprofessional. I was going to join but after seeing how they are conducting themselves I’m really hesitant to do so.







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    APAG has been making a major effort to work with social media platforms in the wake of SESTA/FOSTA, and their staff seems very qualified on paper. However, in practice, they seem pretty unprofessional. I followed them on Twitter because I was considering joining, and oh man, has my feed gotten more interesting. Like others have said - lots of bickering, arguing, and overall drama. If they get their ducks in a row and start acting a bit more professiona, I really think that they could do some great things! I guess we wait.

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    NO company should run their own social media. Every big name company that has a person directly involved as in their time to build the company should not run the social media. Shit gets personal
    My advice is to get a volunteer to handle social media
    Answer DM, RT, make announcements, direct ppl to the proper person for particular questions THAT IS IT
    dont answer questions openly, send them to a person for that particular question
    get someone that doesnt give a fuck about twitter drama to run that twitter and all bullshit will be laid to rest
    Do not let anyone know who that ONE person is except the Union Top Dogs

    i have to go look at the drama

    Twitter is very opinionated and filled with ppl that want to nit pick at everything esp when its new like the union.

    just my thought. i havent seen drama but i ignore a lot of shit on twitter bc it is twitter.

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    I used to cam on a site that one of the organizers is a CONTRACT model for. I pointed out that the site rips the models and members off (I have YEARS worth of screenshots to prove this) in a Tweet, and she jumped in to defend the site along with the other CONTRACT (not Independent!) models liking her posts to show support. She WORKS this site and I was in a Twitter group with her in 2017 where she was COMPLAINING about the site ripping her off. YET, when it came down to defending the models she defended the SITE instead to avoid fucking with her contract and saving face with site admin. CONFLICT OF INTEREST MUCH?!

    She talked down to me and was very condescending trying to make me look like I was the asshole all for speaking up and speaking out against the site. Professionalism is at an all time low with this particular member. Her Twitter feed is nothing but drama and shit talking (oh, and some other SW is always stalking her LOL - there is ALWAYS a beef with someone else!). It's embarrassing to have someone with a public persona like that claiming to represent us and have our best interests in mind. I would feel much better about this group if they included ALL Sw's and were much more professional about their interactions with ALL SW's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HaydenBlue View Post
    I think they're legit. They're federally recognized and are working on health insurance: http://apagunion.com/performer-conce...lth-insurance/

    From the site: "We are working to ensure that performers are treated as employees. We will be helping to set up proper pay and benefits structures so that every performer has access to health insurance, disability, social security, and the means to see a financially secure future. While these issues may seem simple, a formality that most of today’s society enjoys with their employment status, performers have been robbed of these basic necessities."
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    You can buy private medical, dental, disability insurance, life insurance etc. n Canada they make you contribute to a self-employed Canadian pension plan and there is no guarantee it will be there when you are old.

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    Any publicity is good publicity, but agreed...with their lack of professionalism it is a shame. They are not representing the cam community well, and they obviously get preferential treatment on the cam sites they are on so thus do not face the same issues every day cam girls do. What a mess!

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