




MANY MEN WANTED TO LAY ME DOWN, BUT FEW WANTED TO LIFT ME UP
-Eartha Kitt




Definitely not the proudest time of our country... On the other hand, times were different and not at least, difficult and challenging as the word was actually on fire. It’s way too easy for us to criticize decisions taken under circumstances we even can’t imagine.





Well, there are at least 1 in every state right now.
They stand empty right now
I don't have the exact link, but it's available thru what non military people are able to access
MANY MEN WANTED TO LAY ME DOWN, BUT FEW WANTED TO LIFT ME UP
-Eartha Kitt





Anyone who has any inkling of what real concentration camps were like would understand how ludicrous this comparison is. If they start starving the immigrants, stacking them several hundred in single barracks, forcing them to do hard labor, stuffing them in freight cars and even killing them in ovens or gas changes, then you might have an apt comparison, but none of these things are happening.
This is simply a situation where the facilities are unable to properly handle this sudden mass rush to the border, so they were unable to keep up with all of the cleaning and supply needs. I'm guessing that they'll divert resources form other places and get this fixed, but federal government agencies don't turn on a dime, so it will take some time.





Concentration camp definition:
a place where large numbers of people, especially political prisoners or members of persecuted minorities, are deliberately imprisoned in a relatively small area with inadequate facilities, sometimes to provide forced labor or to await mass execution.
Based on the above definition, there's no question these are concentration camps. Just because they don't reach the level of horror as the ones in nazi Germany doesn't change this.
Here's a description from lawyers who visited one of the detention centers where children are being held:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...5b1_story.html
“They [the children] were filthy dirty, there was mucus on their shirts. . . . There was food on the shirts, and the pants as well. They told us that they were hungry. They told us that some of them had not showered or had not showered until the day or two days before we arrived. Many of them described that they only brushed their teeth once. This facility knew last week that we were coming. The government knew three weeks ago that we were coming.
“So, in any event, the children told us that nobody’s taking care of them, so that basically the older children are trying to take care of the younger children. The guards are asking the younger children or the older children, ‘Who wants to take care of this little boy? Who wants to take [care] of this little girl?’ and they’ll bring in a two-year-old, a three-year-old, a four-year-old. And then the littlest kids are expected to be taken care of by the older kids, but then some of the oldest children lose interest in it, and little children get handed off to other children. And sometimes we hear about the littlest children being alone by themselves on the floor.
“Many of the children reported sleeping on the concrete floor. They are being given army blankets, those wool-type blankets that are really harsh. Most of the children said they’re being given two blankets, one to put beneath them on the floor. Some of the children are describing just being given one blanket and having to decide whether to put it under them or over them because there is air-conditioning at this facility. And so they’re having to make a choice about, Do I try to protect myself from the cement, or do I try to keep warm?”
[Alexandra Petri: I do have values, I swear, I just can’t recall what they are]
Binford told reporters that the older children described outbreaks of influenza and head lice at the overcrowded facility, which she said was designed to hold no more than 104 detainees. She told The Post that she “witnessed a 14-year-old caring for a 2-year-old without a diaper, shrugging as the baby urinated as they sat at a table because she did not know what to do.”
The legal experts monitoring the treatment of migrant children rarely go public with their findings, but Binford was shaken by what she saw and heard. She said the overwhelmed CBP guards at the Clint facility were sympathetic to her efforts and knew the children should not be warehoused in such conditions.





Also, IDK if I mentioned this, there are unused (but ready) detention centers in every US state (some states have more than 1, Alaska, etc).
It's under a military website, (IDK the link)
Or, U can Google agenda 21.
MANY MEN WANTED TO LAY ME DOWN, BUT FEW WANTED TO LIFT ME UP
-Eartha Kitt



'What a place where large numbers of people, especially political prisoners or members of persecuted minorities, are deliberately imprisoned in a relatively small area with inadequate facilities, sometimes to provide forced labor or to await mass execution.'
What 'political prisoners' or 'persecuted minorities'? They are not being 'rounded up' in their homes or on the streets because they farted in the wrong politician's general direction or hold the wrong religious or political views; they are coming to the border of a separate, SOVEREIGN nation en masse and they need to be put somewhere while they get processed and either released or deported.
What forced labour? What mass executions?
The real-life border isn't like the Sims where you can key in the 'Motherlode' cheat and pop up adequate housing in the space of a few minutes or even hours. They are coming in far greater numbers than our current infrastructure -- money, housing and manpower -- can handle. There has been no shortage of warnings, over the last 18 months in particular, telling them not to come for this exact reason.





Trump has shown his disdain for Hispanic immigrants both publicly and in private. He's accused Mexican immigrants of being drug-dealers, rapists, and murderers. In private he asked why we're allowing immigrants from shithole countries (countries in Latin America and Africa).
That does not make it okay to hold children and babies in overcrowded detention centers in such horrible condition for weeks at a time. It is not just wrong and immoral. It is against the law. Children seeking to enter the U.S. cannot be legally held in detention centers for more than 3 days. A judge has also ruled it illegal to separate children from their parents. There are many sponsors who have offered to take these children in, and many of these children have family in the U.S.. That is where they should be staying. Not in these detention centers where they're being held in such brutal conditions.
The definition says: sometimes to provide forced labor or to await mass execution
Many of these people are fleeing violence from their home countries. None of this makes it okay for this Administration to break the law, especially when it's children who are being harmed.





Hardly "brutal" or whatever other melodramatic term we could dream up. They are getting 3 squares, have beds to sleep in, bathrooms to use, etc. Most kids who go to summer outdoor camp face greater hardship than this.
So what would you have them do, start handing children over to whomever claims them? A lot of these kids are coming across unaccompanied or with people who cannot establish parenthood. A big part of what is taking so long is confirming who these kids are and who their families are. The same people tripping over themselves now in highly dramatic manufactured outrage would be doing the same thing if these kids were handed by the federal government over to people who use them as child sex slaves, forced labor, adoption targets and a host of other unsavory possible activities.





Last edited by whirlerz; 07-02-2019 at 10:15 AM.
MANY MEN WANTED TO LAY ME DOWN, BUT FEW WANTED TO LIFT ME UP
-Eartha Kitt



Many of those Mexicans are drug dealers, rapists, and murderers. Not all but many. We have seen cases of sexual assault and deportation and they come back and guess what they do it again. The somali born cop who shot the woman in her own driveway for being white, is another case, of immigrants who do not belong in our country. Dearborn Michigan has turned into a Muslim brotherhood stronghold because of not enforced immigration laws.
The administration isnt breaking any law. These are illegal crossings, and have been told many times do not come. If you want to flee your country flee to the south.
and anything reported by the Washington Post, New york Times or other left wing media outlets need to be taken with a grain of salt.
Everyone wants to cry for the poor illegal immigrants, when even legal Hispanics have said many times, throw them out until they go through proper channels.
How about we worry about poor homeless Americans and Veterans before we worry about people who were told do not come here.
Immigration in the 1920s and 30s were much different. Those people wanted to be american, not make their own little mini country they are from.



So ... your argument is that violence in their home countries -- which they are choosing to run from, rather than fight for -- not only entitles them to be exempt from our immigration laws, but that it is the sole responsibility of the US to care for them?
If they want to come here, they need to do so legally. Why is it only wrong when the US expects this of foreign citizens? Asking seriously here. Pull this shit at the border of pretty much any other country and you're going to be detained, possibly jailed, because you broke the laws of that country. Rick and Omega already succinctly explained the reasons for these measures, including the detentions of children, and why they are not illegal.
Apart from the matter of illegal entry, you have the fact that these migrants are deliberately traveling in groups of up to several thousand, and they are expecting (read: demanding) to be admitted all at once. They have been told repeatedly not to come, and they came anyway, in numbers what have overwhelmed our capacity to properly provide for them. The laws of physics do not suddenly suspend at the southern border and allow plentiful resources to magically spring up out of thin air. CBP is doing the best they can with what they have, and they are doing it with virtually no help from the very leaders who are now throwing a fit about this situation.





What does a Somalian born police officer have to do with immigrants trying to cross over at the southern border? What evidence do you have that he shot her because she was white? Why does he not belong here in the USA? He came here and became a citizen. He is an American citizen just like all of the other cops that have shot and killed people in this country. This guy isn't even from Michigan. You're all over the place. Please don't use this site to spread Islamophobia.





Sorry people but politics is a taboo subject here on SW. We've had way too much trouble with it before.
Frankly, what with the current divisive nature of US politics in the last 3 years, I'm surprised it hasn't been worse. Thank you for your cooperation.
You must have chaos within you to give birth to a dancing star.
Friedrich Nietzsche
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